Achilles Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Alright you're obviously hellbent on seeing K1 and TSL characters return for the third game. Tell you what, how about you take some time to sit down and write a "subtle" way to work all these folks in. If you give up because it's too hard, then maybe you should consider lowering your expecations for the devs. If you actually come up with something good, then send it to LA. Don't forget that you need one set of questions that sets gender and alignment for Revan and a separate set that does the same for the Exile. And if you want to get a jump start on the dialog for K4, I'm sure they would appreciate it. Heaven forbid we actually try to move on from the K1 story. *starts to seriously hate Revan* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I'm with Achilles on this one. If they try to bring everyone back, the story will look all patched together piece of crap. And it's obvious they won't start setting conditions for all the npcs: making a game costs $$$ and they want to make a profit on it. They can't write five or six different stories. *starts to seriously hate Revan* Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I personally think the 4 Revan/Exile gender and alignment questions will be more than enough, being OE set the question precident in TSL. Any more questions and I will demand a grade for my quiz! Like was stated by Achilles and Darth333, bringing in all the other NPC's from KOTOR and TSL would be a patchwork nightmare, and would be sheer window dressing at the most, a pure waste of valuable development time at the least... sorry, I just don't see it either. *starts to seriously hate Revan* Noooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITHSLAYER133 Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 revan cant exile maybe i want the bastila back dont care how but she must be a party member ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Maybe they'll call it Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - The Third Time Since Bastila could have died in K1, they will not bring her back as a party member. Even if they could resolve her being possibly being dead and all, I think figuring out how to explain why she starts out as a low-level NPC will be more than they can pull off. And PLEASE do not start offering explanations for how she can start out at level 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fresnosmokey02 Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Sorry for the aside here, but everyone keeps talking about Bastila being alive or dead, so...Bastila is alive people. In K2 if Revan was DS you saw her in T3's hologram as well as the hologram in the sith academy. If you said Revan was LS then you saw her with Carth after you destroyed the Ravager. So as far as the K2 devs were concerned Bastila is alive no matter Revans alignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 LSM Revan: Everyone lives LSF Revan: Most everyone lives. Bastila can die. DSM Revan: Bastila, Carth, Canderous, and the droids live. Everyone else can die. DSF Revan: Bastila, Canderous, and the droids live. Everyone else can die (including Carth). In TSL, the holovids with Bastila only appear if Revan was DS or LS male. LSF Revan holovid shows Carth instead of Bastila. The aforementioned post-Ravager cutscene only plays if Revan was LS. Bastila only appears afterwords if Revan was male. The argument that Bastila is alive (no matter what) is factually incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 In TSL, the holovids with Bastila only appear if Revan was DS or LS male. Actually, if my memory serves me correctly the Korriban hologram of Bastila is also there for DSF Revan. And anyways, LSM is canon so Bastila lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Achilles is right. It's pointles to argue over whether Bastila lived or not, even if she does with an LSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I am not hellbent on seeing everybody from the previous games return, I just like Bastila and Carth, and I think that it would be nice if they were in there. If they were in TSL, and you had no problem with that, then what is the problem with them being in K3? I don't want to see everybody, I was just giving possiblitys on people to see. A lot of NPCs from the earlier games were good and couldn't be killed, so why not have them return? I don't want everybody, just a few people would be a nice addition. And what is so hard about the questioning being subtle? And what is the comment about explaining how they will be low-level, I never even said they will be party members, I am talking about them showing up again. Maybe Bastila as your master, but that doesn't have to be; She might just be another NPC (if she is in there). I didn't want the party members from K1 and K2 back as party members again, the only ones I would want are Canderous/Mandalore and HK and T3, if that is what you were thinking I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Actually, if my memory serves me correctly the Korriban hologram of Bastila is also there for DSF Revan. And anyways, LSM is canon so Bastila lives Right. Dark Side female is still Dark Side. Not sure what your point is. If the devs were worried about cannon, they wouldn't have bothered to give you a choice in TSL. I am not hellbent on seeing everybody from the previous games return, I just like Bastila and Carth, and I think that it would be nice if they were in there.Fine. I for one, feel that Bastila and Carth played their part in TSL and now it's over. Bring them back again doesn't serve the story in any way other than to say "look, here's Bastila and Carth again". Keep in mind this is after you go through another dialog where you set Revan's gender and alignment from KotOR. It was necessary for TSL, but certainly isn't for K3. If they were in TSL, and you had no problem with that, then what is the problem with them being in K3? Again, they're played out. They were back in extremely limited roles and they were able to contribute to the setup for the next game. I don't want to be 5 or 6 games into the series, answering questions about Revan so that I can see Bastila and Carth again. I don't want to see everybody, I was just giving possiblitys on people to see. A lot of NPCs from the earlier games were good and couldn't be killed, so why not have them return? I don't want everybody, just a few people would be a nice addition. And what is so hard about the questioning being subtle? The NPCs that are possible to see depend on Revan's gender and alignment. DS Female Revan most likely equates to Bastila, Canderous, and the droids. I have no doubt that we'll see the droids again due to the fact that there were two droids that tied all the SW movies together. There's a precedent. As I stated earlier, feel free to provide some subtle dialog. I think you'll find that it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. The devs would be better served spending their time trying to figure out how to take the story forward rather than figure out ways to bring back tired NPCs from (what will be) two games ago. And what is the comment about explaining how they will be low-level, I never even said they will be party members, I am talking about them showing up again.That was in response to SITHSLAYER133's post. He's taking the insanity one step further, asking for Bastila to be a party member. Maybe Bastila as your master, but that doesn't have to be Good, cuz she could have died in K1. Imagine how the devs are going to explain how a dead NPC from the first game is your Master in the third. Or they could just worry about writing a good story with new characters and save themselves the mental gymnastics. I didn't want the party members from K1 and K2 back as party members again, the only ones I would want are Canderous/Mandalore and HK and T3, if that is what you were thinking I meant.Why not? No one except Mira and Hanharr died in TSL. I think that if we bring back Carth and Bastila we should definitely bring back Atton and Handmaiden. Maybe we could have a party comprised completely of NPCs from the first two games. I'm thinking Visas, Bao-Dur, T3, HK, Mandalore and maybe one or two new characters (if that's ok). We'll go to the same planets and do the same quests. At the end, we'll find out that Malak didn't really die and that the Rakata built two Star Forges. The second one is kickin' it in orbit around Malachor V and we have to fight Malak and Traya before they can take over the galaxy. Sounds like fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone L68362 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 We can always play as Revan again....no one seems to think that but me. And if any old party members are gonna make an appearance/be a party member, they need to be either Carth (only if you play as Revan) HK-47 (he's kind of become a staple now huh) T3 (T3 kicks ass and everyone knows it) and Mission (ehhh what the heck?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Does that mean you're also from the "You start the game at level 20" camp? If not, then how do you explain a Level 1 Revan? Based off of what we learned from TSL, what would Revan do in K3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 There is no way you will play as Revan, mostly because of what Achilles has stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Maybe we could have a party comprised completely of NPCs from the first two games. I'm thinking Visas, Bao-Dur, T3, HK, Mandalore and maybe one or two new characters (if that's ok). We'll go to the same planets and do the same quests. At the end, we'll find out that Malak didn't really die and that the Rakata built two Star Forges. The second one is kickin' it in orbit around Malachor V and we have to fight Malak and Traya before they can take over the galaxy. Sounds like fun. Achilles, man, I NEVER ever said that I want any of them to be party members. I hope that the only ones returning are HK, T3, and Canderous. I do not want a party entirely with party members from the earlier games. If Bastila is in the game, I don't really care if she is a party member or not. Please, reread my posts before you start sarcastically making assumptions, I never said anything about that. If you ask me, you are taking it way farther than I meant. Just because you don't like the idea of Bastila returning, that doesn't mean you need to make some sarcastic explanation of the game in what it will be, based upon something I never said, or hinted, to show people what it would "supposedly" be if it was like that. That was really exaggerating. If I want Bastila back for K3, that doesn't mean I want everything from K1 in K3; That is a huge jump, my friend. If they don't put Bastila in, I will send the devs hate mail all the time, and... Just kidding, I don't care if they don't put her in, I won't cry about it. It isn't that vital to the story, just a little something that might make for an interesting storyline. But, I do agree, they need to spend more time on other stuff that working out dialogue and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Rather selective with your response... No matter. I think the rest of my post argues at least a few points for why it (yet another appearance by K1 characters) won't happen. Until the game is actually released, or until we hear from the devs, it's anyone's ball game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone L68362 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Course you can play as Revan. For what happens, we already know, he went off into the Unknown Regions to look for the real Sith empire. At the beginning, he's exploring a planet, when he's attacked by Sith dudes, and being that they're the real Sith, they kick Revan's ass and throw him in jail. While your there, they drain you of all your power, and you have to get your strength back throughout the game. Maybe you escape from jail and decide to return to Republic space to get help. Naturally the Sith don't want that so they send guys after you. While you search for people to fight with you, you're constantly attacked by Sith and bounty hunters and stuff. I dunno. But I do know it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 ^^^^ How? What about alignment Clone L68362? Ok, he is LS Jedi, then he is DS Dark Lord, then he is captured and Neutral, then he is whatever in K1, then he is all of a sudden Neutral again? Or should we just take the aligment part out of the game? And how are you going to make him light or dark from K1? And what about items, does he just lose those? You are going to be a character that has already been customized and played as. You are already going to know who he is. You are going to have a huge gap from the end of K1 that would have to be filled. How are they going to work in a good storyline? I seriously doubt that "Course you can play as Revan" and "But I do know that it can be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 You implied that your Revan was male. Just because your Revan was a guy, doesn't mean that everyone else's was. Should the devs just assume that Revan was male? Even if the answer is yes (and they piss off all their female players), how do you anticipate they will gracefully allow you to set a global for his appearance? If Revan was caucasian, how do you think the people that played as Asian characters will feel? If Revan had long hair, how do you think the people that played with a short haired PC will react? In light of what RobQel-Droma said. I think that the PC Head choices that were availible in KotOR I should be used to pick out what you want Revan to look like. And of course make choices to determine if Revan went light or dark. To make it easier again, you can have Revan wear a mask again. Just remember we were able to make choices in our dialogue in TSL if Revan was male or female, dark or light. If can be done again, and put Revan in a mask if needed to, or go another step and choose Revan's appearance based on the original game. EDITED FOR SPELLING ERRORS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 ^^^^ Sure. And I'm positive that all of that will lots of fun and not even a little obnoxious for the player. You are on to something with the mask (they did it in TSL), but it won't matter b/c Revan will be dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 ^^^^ Not necessarily. We really don't know anything about as of now, so really it is not like anyone knows what is going to happen to him. And besides, we are just saying what we would like, regardless of what your personal opinion on what a stupid game it would be, Achilles. I am just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I think there was quite a bit of foreshadowing in TSL...enough that you can get a good feel for the tone of K3 (and it won't include a living Revan). Let's put the arguement to rest with a wager. State your terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I will wager the cookie I won in the "Do you ever dream about KotOR" thread. Seriously though, I would prefer that I would be able to meet the person I played in K1 before he dies. In fact, I would rather not have him die, and have him and the Exile at the end. Same for a lot of the other characters. But if the game by itself is good, I don't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkle Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I will wager the cookie I won in the "Do you ever dream about KotOR" thread. ha! i'll even lend you another cookie so you can wager two! Seriously though, I would prefer that I would be able to meet the person I played in K1 before he dies. In fact, I would rather not have him die, and have him and the Exile at the end. Same for a lot of the other characters. But if the game by itself is good, I don't really care. sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo. so it looks like you may be losing those cookies after all anyway =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobQel-Droma Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo. Its a lost cause.... Then again, was it ever a cause? I still would like to see him; that was what I originally had planned in my story idea, so that is why I want him. I think I am becoming more doubtful of him being alive, now of all the things you have said. Still would like him, Exile, Mission, Brianna, Jolee, Carth, Bastila, Canderous, and others to make appearances in some fashion or other, though... :giggle1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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