StealthWar42 Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Darth Moeller - there have been a few posts already about WHY the second death star should be in the game. The fact is that the first deathstar had a superlaser that could only fire once a day, it needed time to cool down. The second death star had a new prototype of the superlaser which took very little cool-down time, thus enabling it to be able to fire at capitol ships every so often (ala Return of the Jedi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 there have been a few posts already about WHY the second death star should be in the game. The fact is that the first deathstar had a superlaser that could only fire once a day, it needed time to cool down. The second death star had a new prototype of the superlaser which took very little cool-down time, thus enabling it to be able to fire at capitol ships every so often (ala Return of the Jedi). I'm very well aware of this. But it wouldn't make any sense to include both in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Darth Moeller - there have been a few posts already about WHY the second death star should be in the game. The fact is that the first deathstar had a superlaser that could only fire once a day, it needed time to cool down. The second death star had a new prototype of the superlaser which took very little cool-down time, thus enabling it to be able to fire at capitol ships every so often (ala Return of the Jedi). We are aware of that. But the fact remains, the Tech Tree goes only up to and including ANH, plus a couple of extra units from shortly after. That is the main reason why the 2nd Death Star isn't included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcorn2008 Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Which starfighter? The A-Wing for the most part. I think if the rebels get that, than the Empire should get the TIE Interceptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Well, I do agree with your there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 The A-Wing for the most part. I think if the rebels get that, than the Empire should get the TIE Interceptor. Truely truely you say to me. The A-Wings are the Interceptor's are arch nemesis and vis versa. I guess their argueing that since they're allowing the Advanced in that it's okay. Personally I think the advanced was a hunk o' junk that was a prototype for a reason. Interceptors are the true sucessor where as the Advanced wasn't put into full production. But ultimately, Gimmie a Defender anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLancelot Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Yeah, the A-wing was the fastest and most maneuverable of the rebel fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthWar42 Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Guys, guys, you're missing the point of the thread: this is pretty much like a debate if whether or not the timeline goes far enough. If this were titled "Discuss how far the timeline goes" your argument would be valid, but it's not, it's called "does the timeline go far enough?" So those of us who say "no" we're just giving reasons why it doesn't, from our point of view. Yeah, I know that it truly doesn't make sense to include them both seeing as the game really does only go up to ANH, but those of us who want it to go further like ROTJ are just trying to make a case, being that there could have been TWO death stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 being that there could have been TWO death stars. Seeing as that would make for a terribly unbalanced game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLancelot Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthWar42 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Once again, you're missing the point... but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Once again, you're missing the point... but whatever. No, we're not. Yeah, I know that it truly doesn't make sense to include them both seeing as the game really does only go up to ANH And it wouldn't make sense if the timeline did go farther either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefreak Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Simple Idea, when you build the new one it auto replaces the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthWar42 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Why WOULDN'T it make sense if the timeline went further? Technology improves over time, the same rule applies to the death star. The first design of the death star only had a superlaser that could fire once a day. The second design had a superlaser that could fire multiple times within an hour. How does this not make sense to you? It would be like a tech upgrade... it would just be somewhere between ESB and ROTJ time that you would research the tech "Death Star Prototype II" and then your current death stars would be upgraded. I fail to see how this does not make sense... ------------------------------ Another thing, you haven't exactly shown how it DOESN'T make sense, other than it would be "incredibly unbalanced." You DO realize that such a unit would cost tons of money? And if the rebels DID manage to destroy the death star (upgraded or not) it would deal out a severe loss of resources to the Empire? Not to mention that being able to blow up a planet is the main job of the death star, and it ALREADY HAS THAT. Adding the ability to fire seldomly at enemy capital ships would look like a minor adjustment compared to what the Death Star can ALREADY do. It's not like it would be able to fire rapidly into a capital ship battle, it would only be able to fire like once every 5 or 10 minutes (I don't know the exact lore time). I think one of the points of confusion here between the pro- and anti-deathstarII people is that they would NOT be separate units. There wouldn't just be TWO death stars floating around, it would just be one and then it could be upgraded... ala Age of Empires, whenever you upgraded a unit it just changed entirely. Kind of like that. EDIT: And once again, I KNOW that the game timeline only goes to ANH, but also once again, read the first post. This is about debating whether or not the timeline goes far enough, this isn't about discussing what we get in the current timeline. So stop saying "it wouldn't make sense because it doesn't fit in the timeline." -Use the Edit button to avoid Double Posting- Message from: popcorn2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 You had been talking like they would both be present in the game at the same time, or that is how I understood you. Now if the timeline did go to RotJ, then upgrading the death star would make sense like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcorn2008 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 StealthWar42, please avoid Double Posting. Also, please calm down and dont get so aggresive toward anouther member of the forums, espicially a moderator. Remember we are here to discuss EaW in a friendly manner. Please keep your debating at an appropriate level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthWar42 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Well, he was just saying "that doesn't make any sense to include both" and he wasn't even giving a reason. I didn't feel as if I was overly aggressive either, it's not like I was just shouting obscenities... any capitalized words were there just for emphasis, not shouting. It would have been clarified a bit easier if he just came out and said "two death stars existing at the same time would be overkill" but it got a little complicated, since I didn't explain my opinion enough and he didn't either. So I needed to clarify what I and other pro-DSII people were saying in-detail... sorry, but I don't see what's wrong with that. I thought double posting was just when you accidentally post two of the same things at once... sorry bout that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcorn2008 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Well, he was just saying "that doesn't make any sense to include both" and he wasn't even giving a reason. I didn't feel as if I was overly aggressive either, it's not like I was just shouting obscenities... any capitalized words were there just for emphasis, not shouting. Okay, I wasnt sure if the caps were shouting or not. Different people use them differently. I thought double posting was just when you accidentally post two of the same things at once... sorry bout that. That's okay. I corrected it so no harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthWar42 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Yeah sorry... i won't use caps anymore. Sorry Darth and popcorn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Use bold text to emphasis words. Or use an italic/bold combination to really emphasis words. Capital letters usually means you're shouting. As for the double posting, your second post was long enough to have been allowed. But since popcorn2008 already edited it into your first, I'll just go ahead and remove it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMonsterOfTheIsland Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Basically, if Petroglyph doesn't plan on expanding and/or giving us cool toys in some sort of map editor (i.e. Suncrusher, Galaxy Gun, Dark Troopers, Yoda, etc., then they are just wussing out on what would be both an amazing marketing opportunity and a service to longtime fans of the series (especially of the Extended Universe). Also, seeing as how the game is apparantly very modder-friendly and that the modding community is already working on several new toys, the interesting yet small scope of the game's timeline can be overlooked/forgiven. But one point must be made clear: mods are not always a sufficient substitute for an expansion pack, and if the people at Petroglyph have either a) a sense of decency or b) brains, they will release at least two expansion packs (ANH to ROTJ, TPM to ROTS). I repeat: YOOOOODDDDDDDAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 It should go up to EV it would be so much better. All the improved units ie. TIE Defenders, E-Wings, Bothan Assault Criusers, Impstar Deuces and more super weapons and as Reggie said YODA! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foshjedi2004 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 If they added loads of extra stuff what was the point of LoW modelling this then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Well technically the less oportunities for modding a game has in respect to adding things that make sense with the time period, the better and more complete the game is. But I see your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stival Discipal Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I would say yes... I believe that as long as the game is balanced, and the heroes aren't too "godly" we all are in store for a great game. If it culminates with Luke or someone destroying the Deathstar, then im fine with it. It leaves us at a perfect point for an expansion, and that is cool with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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