Bush Runs Away with Heisman.

[Jeff]

Bush gets most 1st place votes ever

 

I thought Reggie Bush would win it, but not by this much. I was thinking it would be a pretty close race between the 3 big names, Bush, Leinart, and Young. Do you think the best player won?

[Commander Obi-Wan]

I thnk Reggie Bush deserved it. Wonder who'll get him in the NFL draft? Maybe the Texans.

 

Didn't Leinhart win it last year?

[Jeff]

Didn't Leinhart win it last year?

Yes. I was kind of hoping he'd win it again because he's just as deserving as Reggie and it would make him a 2-time winner, and that's only happened once before.

[Commander Obi-Wan]

Thought so, he decided to stay instead of coming to the NFL.

[Bob Lion54]

Pretty cool, everyone knew Bush was going to win it. It was just a formality. Of course it means hes going to suck in the NFL, though. Maybe that just applies to quaterbacks?

[Commander Obi-Wan]

What position does Bush play? I forget......

[Jeff]

I think Reggie will be one of the top running backs in the league next year already. He dominates so much in college, he just seems like he's been ready for the nfl all year. But of course the college game is different so there's always the possibility for failure.

 

EDIT: Running Back @ Obi

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

As sick as I'm getting of USC, He definitely deserves it.

I'm also thankful for them not putting Leinart up against Archie:D (that's your plan D-Mo, I just know it;))

 

As for the NFL, He is an undeniably good athlete...who's going to end up on an undeniably bad team;) He could be one of the greatest NFL backs, but if he's behind a bad line and qb then he's going nowhere.

I actually saw a commentary on the Titans/Texans game the other day, it seemed to be a poor performance on both sides, and the main question was who was trying the hardest to get reggie bush;)

[JediKnight707]

Yeah, he desserved it, I always hated Young. Though Leinart was a pretty damn good player.

[Clefo]

. Of course it means hes going to suck in the NFL

 

Carson Palmer, Barry Sanders, Marcus Allen, O.J Simpson, Ricky Williams (before the pot), Eddie George, Roger Staubach, Earl Campbell... I could go on.

[Char Ell]

EDIT: Running Back @ Obi

Hey, anyone want to debate the difference between running back and tailback?

 

Yeah, I don't know about the guidelines Heisman voters are given to help them determine who to vote for, most outstanding versus most valuable.

 

In my mind, Reggie Bush had a fantastic year but if you take Reggie Bush out of the USC lineup USC still would have been a very formidable team, perhaps not undefeated, but still a team to be reckoned with and definitely ranked among the top 10 teams. Take Vince Young out of the Texas lineup though and I think you're looking at a team that would not have done nearly as well. In short, I think Vince Young is worth more to Texas than Reggie Bush is to USC because USC has so many other weapons to go to besides Bush.

 

All I know is that I'm looking forward to the Rose Bowl as the Heisman situation has certainly cast a new log onto the already roaring fire for the game that will determine this year's college football champion.

*** rubs hands in anticipation ***

[Jeff]

But you can't put that on the player. It's not Reggie Bush's fault that his team is amazing and they would still be good without him. I think they vote by most talented, that way it takes away the stuff that the players can't control.

[Char Ell]

^^^

Yes, well that is true but IMHO it's still such a subjective criteria that it doesn't make a difference. Was Reggie Bush that much more spectacular than Vince Young to have garnered 89% of the Heisman votes? I, for one, don't think so. When it comes to comparing an elite tailback against an elite quarterback it's really an apples vs. oranges comparison as far as I'm concerned. In the end it seems like it's just a popularity contest which is unfortunate but also unavoidable with the way the sports media works.

[Jeff]

But because he got 89% of the votes doesn't mean he's a ton better than Vince, it just means 89% of the media thought he was at least more skilled than Vince. It doesn't mean they think he's a lot better.

[Bob Lion54]

Carson Palmer, Barry Sanders, Marcus Allen, O.J Simpson, Ricky Williams (before the pot), Eddie George, Roger Staubach, Earl Campbell... I could go on.

 

Eric Crouch, Jason White*, Chris Weinkie, Ron Dayne, Danny Wuerffel, Rashaan Salaam, Charlie Ward, Gino Torretta, Desmond Howard (good returner, thats it), Ty Detmer, Andre Ware.... I could go on too.

 

I was mostly making a joke, but the Heisman does not mean NFL success.

 

Ricky Williams was nothing special before the pot either. He had one 1000 yard season with the Saints and had a tendency to fumble, a lot. Basically, his running style is this- Run hard up the middle, make contact, and look for a place to fall. He had no heart, ever. Williams only made it in college because he was so physically impressive. The only good year he had was his first season with Miami.

 

*hehe- thanks Darth Moeller.

[Jeff]

Don't forget Jason White XP Not even drafted.

[Char Ell]

Wait a sec, DM. Aren't you the one who stated you thought Bush would win but were surprised at Bush's margin of victory? I reread the article you linked to and I incorrectly stated in my previous post that Bush got 89% of the total votes. According to the ESPN article, Bush actually received 91.7% of the total points available and 84.9% of the 1st place votes in the Heisman vote. I quote from the article:

The USC junior tailback won the highest percentage of first-place votes and the highest percentage of points (awarded on a 3-2-1 basis) in the 71-year history of the award.

So 84.9% of the Heisman voters thought Reggie Bush was a more outstanding player than Vince Young, right? That's what I don't understand. I personally would have had a hard time choosing between Reggie Bush and Vince Young if I were a Heisman voter. I don't necessarily think that Reggie Bush shouldn't have won the Heisman but IMO there is no way he should have won by that kind of margin. Vince Young had an outstanding year as well but to have finished so far behind Bush in the voting is still inconceivable to me.

[Jeff]

I was surprised that Leinart didn't get more votes than anything. I honestly didn't think Young was going to win.

[Char Ell]

I guess everybody has their own opinions on these things. I thought Leinert still had a good year but not near as good as last year when he won the Heisman. IMO the contest for the trophy was clearly between Bush and Young after week 8 of the college season.

[Commander Obi-Wan]

I never heard much about Young. Since most people were talking about Bush and Leinhart. Plus there isn't really college football in Canada. Well, at least it isn't that popular. Though CFL is rather popular.