shaded6 Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 i guess that was appropriate for the time being, sorry, seriosuly, i like it here, dont want to get banned or start trouble. sorry chainz.2da. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 i guess that was appropriate for the time being, sorry, seriosuly, i like it here, dont want to get banned or start trouble. sorry chainz.2da. seth Quite alright.. let's just get this thread back on track Deal? Be sure to thank Darth333 too hehehe edit by Darth333: Thread pruned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 definately. tell me your thoughts.... seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 @BD, Unless you meant it differently, I don't think "understanding the force" makes you a jedi, the Jedi Order is just a group of individuals united in their particular brand of study, application, and even following of the "force". Semi-OT... What is beyond the force?...iYho? I meant the Jedi understand the Force in so much as you can't control it except on a minute scale and that it is about everything being in balance. They also know that the true nature of the Force is ultimately beyond understanding. The Sith believe they do understand the Force and can control it en masse, rather than just their little bit of it. Obviously the only ones who really understand the Force are the ones who have become One with it. So I'm going to say this: The Sith have no conception of the nature of the Force, given that the dark side is just a manifestation of their twisted nature and not really a "part" of the Force being a Sith totally sucks. I'd rather be a Jedi, they seem to have a better health plan as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 i hear United Health Care is a good one. but have you never had the compulision for complete power? so intoxicating that it literally consumed you? i believe this is how people are Truely converted to the dark side, because they embrace themselves and their passion for power and the influence of how to use it for their own gain...and many other things. if power is the path to gaining it and someone wants it that bad, then i guess he will go to any lengths to get it, even the dark side and falling into it with a lie or thought about how it is said it is. how does one be completely turned to the dark side? how does he become evil from being set up by the good? and why is it that he is lost to it, without any thought towards the evil he commits? i agree, that once you are consumed, and once you have crossed the line, that it is basically over, but just beginning. who has crossed the line over to the True Dark Side of the the force and let it Master him? seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 The Sith went wrong when they took a left at Koros Major. I told Xendor, but he wouldn't listen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 Darth InSidious give some more details..... seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 i hear United Health Care is a good one. but have you never had the compulision for complete power? so intoxicating that it literally consumed you? i believe this is how people are Truely converted to the dark side, because they embrace themselves and their passion for power and the influence of how to use it for their own gain...and many other things. if power is the path to gaining it and someone wants it that bad, then i guess he will go to any lengths to get it, even the dark side and falling into it with a lie or thought about how it is said it is. how does one be completely turned to the dark side? how does he become evil from being set up by the good? and why is it that he is lost to it, without any thought towards the evil he commits? i agree, that once you are consumed, and once you have crossed the line, that it is basically over, but just beginning. who has crossed the line over to the True Dark Side of the the force and let it Master him? seth Umm no, I've never had any such compulsion, I'll be happy with a wife and two kids. As to your other question, I don't think there is, no I know, there is no "true" dark side. So I gues the answer would either be none as no one went there or all of them as they all went there. InSidious is making a joke, Xendor was the poor misguided Jedi who became the first Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 see i am just getting into all this, i have my veiws on what i have come across, so i mean yeah, thanks, didnt know what he was talking about. but it gives me another reason to find out. so there is no True Dark Side of the force? you said the other day that there was the force, and not the dark side, i can see what your saying now.... its weird, i watched episode 3 today and i am watching the mind-set of the Sith, atleast Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, and i wonder to myself, how could someone go that far, completely turn from good to evil, instantly... dont get me wrong, the dark side of the force is compelling, but i dont think a single soul in this room would TRUELY KNOW what it means to embrace it, fully. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 @S6, "completely turn from good to evil" Ever thought that maybe none of them (not just the sith) ever were completely "good/light" and are stuck with both for the duration of life, fighting one while serving the other or vice versa? A parrellel to human sin nature if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 so because they were introduced to the force and when they came to that realization, "this is The Force," they would contemplate the point to become power hungry or find control? and the imbalance was in them the entire time because they thought they understood what the force was? the force is something to be used by and let be used; why would the Sith just not come to this conclusion to find the True essence of the force and have their power? i understand the instant change: its because they make the choice to embrace it, stepp over the line, cross it, let it control you, then you control it, because it is power, la di da di da. but does the dark side of the force have to be evil, when it was always in their nature to "bring it to a dark place?" seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I'm not sure what you meant, could you clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 why do the people bring the force to their own beliefs, instead of imbracing it for what it is? "Only Sith deal in absolutes" -Obi-Wan what is his absolute? his own gaining of power? seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Read Anakin's line. "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy" This statement is an absolute, it leaves no room for exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Read Anakin's line. "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy" This statement is an absolute, it leaves no room for exception. Hence Obi-wans reply, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 plus, that is only one absolute, there have to more then that, especially in the thought process of the Sith. everything has to be an absolute then... if "Only Sith deal in absolute(s)" -Obi-Wan seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 lolz, this still going GL can make a nice spectacle, but he steps in horse$hit when it comes to philosophising - especially in the PT. The force was left magical and mystical in the OT, and indeed Joseph Campbell was a guiding light in the creation of the SW Mythos. But by the time of the PT, George has demystified the force to the extent he makes it boring. But, SW is his creation, so its his call mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 someone has to come up with this ****. lol. i just want to try and find an understanding of it all, even if it were from lucas himself, i would still try and find an illaboration he did NOT consider. granted, he considered a lot, enough for the Star Wars empire to be in effect. but no one really gets into it when its a subject? this is what lucas wanted us to do: “I put the Force into the movie in order to try to awaken a certain kind of spirituality in young people — more a belief in God than a belief in any particular religious system. I wanted to make it so that young people would begin to ask questions about the mystery.” George Lucas in me, he accomplished his goals because i am still asking questions. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 ....in me, he accomplished his goals because i am still asking questions.... The "questions" GL alludes to are about the mysteries of life and spirituality. The Force and the sith are archetypal(the pretentious like to call them Jungian) idioms, characterising good and evil. In post Vietnam USA in 1977, who the "good guys" and "bad guys" were wasnt so clear to the average movie going teen. GLs space opera reinvented heroes that fit into this classical outline. It paid off for him in spectacular fashion = $$$ But all this is extremely obvious, but if it intrugues you, what the hey mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 well i do hope to work for the man eventually in this life.....i have to understand in order to do that. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 well i do hope to work for the man eventually in this life.....i have to understand in order to do that. seth I dont think he'll be that impressed...there are a zillion and one SW freaks out there who claim to know it all...Im one of them The easiest way to work for any Lucas affiliate company is to *go to film school *be an artist, be it via traditional or digital mediums *be well versed/qualified in new film, audio and video standards and applications *wear flannel shirts *marry his daughter mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 why do you think i am going to FullSail in the fall or next spring? i've been talking with the administrators of that school for over 3 years, i was good friends with atleast 1 and he knows my passion for seeing things come to life. kurt. and, lucas is affiliated with a lot of the programs of that school. i dont know the artist off hand, but i did come across an old article talking about, lucas' ranch. if your good enough, and know what your talking about, like i'm trying to do, then you will probably get noticed. i would even wear the traditional Sith robe while creating my trailer. just for the feel effect while i create The Dark Lords. plus, i need to find atleast a good venture to get into so that a point is come across. i may be a learning star wars buff, but i think once i Mastered the ideas of both the Jedi and the Sith, then i can state a point missed. dont you think it would be cool to see Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 on the big screen? i would definately look forward to seeing Darth Nihilus in his full force, along with many other key characters mentioned in the series. especially the Fall and Rising of Revan, and other key characters; Jedi and Sith. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ....i would even wear the traditional Sith robe while creating my trailer. just for the feel effect while i create The Dark Lords. yep, wow 'em with your wiki knoweldge shaded. Feel free to go to the EU forum if you want to have a discussion about the sith, as described in books/comics etc. NOT Wiki. closaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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