RevanA4 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 ok I've been looking at kids alot younger than me in terms of wow this is where we are headed And i have to say after actually trying to have a serious descussion about well things such as the space program. I'm finding time and again that the people who will lead this country would take it in a scarry direction. let me explain. I've been discussing the space program and guess what comes up. lets up weapons on the moon. now not only is this breaking a Treaty but also if you read about it, its viewed as an act of war on the entire world :indf: I find that time and again that kids now a days think that the US is some power house that can't be defeated. when in reality we can. has anybody else found this to be true. Disclaimer: I'm not trying to put anybody down I just want to see if others have noticed this also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthaholic Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Well, how young are the kids you're talking about? 'Cause when I was a kid I could say the most idiotic things and completely changed my views when older. I don't think you should let what they say bother you too much. I find that time and again that kids now a days think that the US is some power house that can't be defeated. when in reality we can. Well, I'd say this is something even some adults believe - it's arrogance. But unfortunately as history has proven time and time again, every empire fall at some point. It's not about to happen anytime soon I think, but still, it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Well, how young are the kids you're talking about? 'Cause when I was a kid I could say the most idiotic things and completely changed my views when older. I don't think you should let what they say bother you too much. between 15 and 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Oh dear. I must admit that I find myself thinking of the US more and more as Britain say, about a century ago. Gunboat Diplomacy, the idea of being indomitable, the beginnings of empire...It's Palmerston through to Disraeli all over again...Wait until you have a Republican party weakened for twenty years by backstabbing to bring probably Bush down...See British party politics from 1846 onwards. Still it might lead to a fairer system with more than two parties. It's worrying, but if they try anything it'll be goodbye United States. As in a massed nuclear strike, probably starting from China, with Europe joining in shortly afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 People are stupid, when will you realize this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 People are stupid, when will you realize this? Oh trust me I realized this along time ago. Its what they think that's scary. They are also the ones that say lets nuke our enemies with out thinking about the actual consequences of such an act. The truth is their way of thinking will result in a nuclear war. Which will pretty much doom all humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 ^^^ at least someone agrees with me. all me friends at school are like: "why do you care?" cant the country leaders just shut up, shake hands and go to sleep? ive been thinking about space programmes too and was wondering: if scientists DO manage to somehow make another planet (or moon) hospitable, how long would man take to pollute it up? seriously, this planet is like a cotton ball dropped in a swamp. the only places with very less pollution, i wont say no pollution, theres no such thing, but the place with very less pollution are not habitable by masses anyway, like the sahara or the north pole. and also, the space programme itself is causing pollution: the amount of exhaust produced is like, wooooo. and its emissions are directly destroying the ozone layer. im not saying that space missions should be scrapped but they should at least work on the engines to throw out something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 It'd probably be less polluted, since we COULD do things without pollution if and when that became an option. The main problem here is that while we COULD use the technology, it would be very expensive for most people here, and would take a long time and a lot of publicity to get people to switch over. Aside from obvious international problems. Also, if I were you, I wouldn't listen to your classmates. The day no-one cares about politics is the day we let lunatics like Hitler into power again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 The idea about putting missles on the moon is not an old concept. I remember reading an atricle at Space.com, which gave insight to the history of when this was conceptualized. The theory was that: Who ever placed a longterm presence on the moon would own the world. Placing missles there would only solidify the presence. Here is a link to some history: http://www.boeing.com/history/bna/missiles.html 12th article down on this page: http://www.zianet.com/sundayt/gallery.htm An intresting article about weaponizing outerspace and the 1979 moon treaty: http://www.china-un.ch/eng/cjjk/cjjzzdh/t199363.htm EDIT ADDED:: When I was in highschool, the concept of trusting our government never really existed. In one of George Bush's speeches he mentions how the people want a bigger government. I don't think this is really true. I think people want a government that works. Kids today put too much faith in our government. They will learn latter in life that their philosophy is not true. In 1993, I was a highschool student, and long hair was a trend. Somewhere around 1999, people started to chop off their hair. I think the younger generation is just going through their liberal phase, but under conservative laws. It all has to do with maturity. At the moment, I am in college, and I can see liberal attitudes every where. After obtaining my Associates degree in 2000, my perspective on everything changed. I went from being a complete idealist to a more conservative person. In time, those kids you are talking about will change. Yes! I am a part of Generation 'X'. However, I don't fall into their steriotype. Hehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I'm not saying that concept is new its their way of thinking. but in all honesty its considered and act of war on the entire world to do such a thing. I've pointed that out over and over but get the same answer. which is "big deal nobody can beat us anyway." thats not true in anyway shape or form. sure one or two countries we can handle but lets be serious I don't care how powerful you are, you can't defeat the rest of the world. frankly a lot of what the US does ticks me off but, I'm just one person with no real power. I guess what bothers me the most is I'm getting this same BS from people my age. After obtaining my Associates degree in 2000, my perspective on everything changed. I went from being a complete idealist to a more conservative person. In time, those kids you are talking about will change. Yes! I am a part of Generation 'X'. However, I don't fall into their steriotype. Hehehe... some will change but most will stay the same yeah I'm part of the youth of america too but I've always felt the use of force was a last resort. these kids are all lets blast everybody to heck and forget about them. I'm old enough to have watched some of the 13, 14, and 15 year olds grow up and I have to say they haven't changed a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Frankly, the "First World"'s youth in general seems to me to be of fairly low quality. Here, they're just thick. If they're not thick, they're so far left they make Lenin look conservative. If I was a bookie, I'd offer 5-1 odds that in three generations, man has forgotten how the electric lightbulb works, and we will have ended up in a technocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 the whole life-system is like a mountain. man has progressed like hell in the past but now hes becoming the stupidest species, soon, well go back to the cave men then start over again. life is strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I can think of several adults who probably think the best thing to use our space program for is weapons. There are idiots in every generation, but kids are ALWAYS stupid. Thus is the way of humans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 There are several reasons why many high school kids would say stupid things (note that I say many, not all). 1. They don't yet have the education and life experience to know any better, and this is the single biggest reason. You learn a great deal about life in just a couple years out of high school. Our brains aren't even fully matured until early 20's. 2. Everything they're currently being taught is watered down to make it really easy for every student to do well in school and get good grades (lest mommy and daddy become offended that their little darling made a B). When you get spoon-fed every subject, you aren't taught how to think critically. 3. Because of the 'No child left behind' program, the emphasis is on math, reading, and writing. Don't get me wrong, we need to do well in these areas. However, we also need to give appropriate time to things like history and civics. When I went to France between jr. and sr. year in high school, I was mortified to learn that my French 'brother,' who was a year older, not only knew French politics really well, but knew more about American politics than I did. I couldn't even name our Secretary of State, and he was asking me what I thought of his policies and views! 4. Fallout from the 'me generation' thinking. If it's all about me, why would I care about the rest of the world? 5. Students are not being held accountable for actions--if they do something seriously wrong, a lot of them are going to get nothing more than a slap on the wrist--that's a parental problem more than the kids' problem. When you think you can get away with anything, you don't learn how to anticipate consequences for your actions. Now, that being said, every adult generation has worried about how bad the youth seem to be turning out, but yet we tend to mature and come out generally OK. So, the high school kids who seem really stupid right now may grow up and still be incredibly stupid, but some will grow up and gain some wisdom, and some will grow up and accomplish really amazing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 but kids are ALWAYS stupid speak for yourself, man. you might have been stupid but that doesnt mean everyone is like you. When you get spoon-fed every subject, you aren't taught how to think critically. again, speak for yourself. CBSE syllabus is a nightmare especially with our maths sir if you get the best marks in CBSE boards, you can get excellent jobs anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Now, that being said, every adult generation has worried about how bad the youth seem to be turning out, but yet we tend to mature and come out generally OK. So, the high school kids who seem really stupid right now may grow up and still be incredibly stupid, but some will grow up and gain some wisdom, and some will grow up and accomplish really amazing things. The problem is that I'm getting this for reasonably intelligent college students as well. meh I guess I can't be to judemental as many folks say I act alot older than I am.( I don't think I act more than my age though) I'm not worried about the teenagers that don't listen to arugments against what they think as I have YET to meet one that actually listens but when you get people in there 20's that think this way and won't listen is when I get worried. of course being a techy I tend to take the worse case possible point of view so I'm probably over reacting but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthaholic Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 the whole life-system is like a mountain. man has progressed like hell in the past but now hes becoming the stupidest species, soon, well go back to the cave men then start over again. life is strange This somewhat reminds me of what a philosophy teacher in college a few years back once told me. Humankind progresses but does not evolve. Meaning we build cars, planes, computers, make cures for diseases that a hundred years ago were deadly, but in say 10 thousand years of existence our human traits haven't evolved one bit, they're still exactly the same. Hatred, intolerance, violence, murder, war and my personal favorite - stupidity - still dominate are lifes. Why? Well if you scratch just a bit, humans are just animals at the core and will always answer to baser instinct. Thinking beasts... Something very dangerous if you ask me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Perhaps so, but humans do seem to have an innate sense of right and wrong (how many small children have you seen stamp their feet and declare loudly "It's not fair!". Who has taught them this at three or four?). If we were little more than beasts, society and culture would never have evolved. Culture is dead, but society and pseudo-culture live on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthaholic Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Perhaps so, but humans do seem to have an innate sense of right and wrong (how many small children have you seen stamp their feet and declare loudly "It's not fair!". Who has taught them this at three or four?). If we were little more than beasts, society and culture would never have evolved. Culture is dead, but society and pseudo-culture live on Lol, when I was 3 or 4 years old and someone would stamp my feet I would either 1) cry my guts out, or 2) hit back! You seem to believe that it's something innate, I can't say I agree. I've always believe that children were innocent and unknowing of right or wrong until they're educated on the 2 concepts. Say you've been isolated and unexposed to the world since the day you were born and then reintegrated 30 years later, are you gonna to be able to distinguish what's right and what's wrong? I think not. Anyway, I'm not saying that humans are completely animalistic or anything like that 'cause we're not. We have a thing called a conscience, a sense of morality, that keeps most of our impulses in check (well in most people anyways). But generally speaking, some of our not-to-be-proud-of traits will always surface and endure because they are in our nature, like it or not, and will always greatly hinder the betterment of mankind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Not someone stamping ON their feet, I mean that a small child will put their foot down very hard, making a noise. Then they usually shout "It's not fair!" (usually this seems to involve sweets somewhere down the line...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 speak for yourself, man. you might have been stupid but that doesnt mean everyone is like you.Good one, we'll assume I'm only talking from my personal experiences as a child. Obviously I'm making a blanket assertion like that based off of ONE person. Do you know WHY all kids are stupid? Because they are kids. That's part of what makes kids kids, is that they don't really know too much. They sure THINK they know a lot, most of them are convinced that they've seen it all and know it all, but they really don't. I didn't think I was stupid back in grade school, middle school, or high school, but once you get older and more perspective, you realize that you were pretty stupid. Doesn't matter WHO you are. You may be a smart kid, but that doesn't make you a smart person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountVerilucus Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I am also part of the youth of america Im also really interested in joining the Marine Corps after getting a commision, because i support the government. I tend to get into arguments a lot with people who have liberal, hippie, anti-government ideals. Some say im a radical government supporter. Youths are quite stupid, its hard for me to find another person in my school to have an intellectual debate with on a topic like politics. What the youth of america lacks is foresight... At my school, a lot of people don't think about the future after the brief 4 years of high school. Or even care about it. They probably think the way of life they are living now will last forever. I say this because a lot of students at my school are content with just passing, they strive only to aquire the bare minimum of what is required to pass. Other things i think the youth of america lacks- Discipline Motivation for achievement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 ^^^^ You seem to have proven Revan's point... I think we would do well not to generalize. I think some kids have good knowledge of politics and society. That doesn't make them wise though. Anyway, I don't really see so much of a problem. A teenager who's not an idealist probably has a problem. When you're young, you're idealistic. During my highschool years, I've met lots of communists. They won't stay that way their whole lives. They'll eventually get more down-to-earth and accept reality if it haven't done so yet. It's how things are. Accept the reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 ^^^^ You seem to have proven Revan's point... what point? for the record its not just 15 - 18 year old that are saying this. I find it more prevalent in that age range but I still get it out of way more 20 year olds than I think should be. most people now a days don't think ahead. many people my think its normal for kids to say these things. I for one here it far to often and it gets old. yeah, yeah, don't try and tell a teenager they are wrong either I can't legal smack them so Accept the reality don't we spend our lives trying to escape reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 most people now a days don't think ahead.And your evidence that people then a days thought ahead more than we do now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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