Revan's class

[T.Nova]

Sentinel by far. Revan didn't sound anything close to a guardian because almost everywhere you went Malak was the one known for going head-first into battle while Revan was more of a tactician. Not only that but Revan has many, many skills that made him/her useful. Revan knew an unprecendented amount of alien languages & learned from a variety of teachers (which IMO would strike eventually strike a balance between a guardian and consular).

[The Doctor]

Canonically, Revan is never classified. So, in answer to the question the thread poses:

what was Revan canicaly a guardian, counslar, or a sentinal

He wasn't anything, canonically.

[Darth InSidious]

His .utc file(s) in KotOR, which define the character's stastics, class etc, has/have him down as a Jedi Guardian...

[Clone L68362]

You know, if you look at the files for lots of characters, like Jordo or Malare, who are just messengers it says even their class are things like Jedi Guardian. Vandar is shown to be a level one Jedi Guardian. So why would the file for Revan mean anything?

 

Really, how can you expect his utc file to mean anything, considering you don't even face him in combat? I'm willing to bet they only set it to Jedi Guardian because he needed a class.

[RedHawke]

His .utc file(s) in KotOR, which define the character's stastics, class etc, has/have him down as a Jedi Guardian...

They set many NPC's to Jedi Guardian, even some of the Sith Soldiers walking around on Taris if I recall correctly. It means nothing either way as the utc files are only for cutscenes and the like.

[Char Ell]

You know, if you look at the files for lots of characters, like Jordo or Malare, who are just messengers it says even their class are things like Jedi Guardian. Vandar is shown to be a level one Jedi Guardian. So why would the file for Revan mean anything?

They set many NPC's to Jedi Guardian, even some of the Sith Soldiers walking around on Taris if I recall correctly. It means nothing either way as the utc files are only for cutscenes and the like.

Well why didn't you guys say this last year? LIAYD and I could have continued our spirited debate on this topic ad infinitum.

[Lord_Revan.]

Guardian.

 

Revan defeated the Mandalorians in open combat, wields a blue saber, and encouraged nothing but mindless aggression in his apprentice.

 

 

No he couldnt, Revan didnt beat the Mandalorians in brute force... he had about 10 of his soldiers killed by just one Mandalorian.... it is said by Canderous in the game, the only way he beat the mandalorians was because of his intelligence and his great strategic skills. Also Malak never followed Revan's teachings after he became the new sith lord, he always had a different perspective of things.

[Torthane]

Revan can not be catagorized as he is perhaps one of the greatest Jedi/Sith to ever feel the force. He can outfight most opponents, but is also very intellegent and has a very strong link to the force. But if I had to pick one of the classes fro m the game I would say sentinal becuase the are the best balanced class.

[RedHawke]

Well why didn't you guys say this last year? LIAYD and I could have continued our spirited debate on this topic ad infinitum.

Because we wanted to save your fingers from falling off!

[lessthanjake2]

YOu cant say the movies dont have these classes.

 

Sure they dont state it, but there are differences in different Jedi.

 

For instance, Mace Windu is a guardian because hes a total crazy beast with a lightsaber. Palpatine would be a Consular (and obviously if we are using prestige classes, a sith lord) because his main weapon is force lightning.

 

Personally I think Revan is actually a Sentinel. He made HK-47, which indicates hes got a large amount in the skill catagory. We know hes intelligent, given that hes a great strategist and was able to find the Star Forge. Intelligence obviously isnt class defined, but a Sentinel is generally thought to be the most intelligent. We know very little about how he fights. So given what we know, it points to Sentinel.

[Char Ell]

YOu cant say the movies dont have these classes.

Sure I can say, "The movies don't have Jedi classes." Because as you already acknowledge

Sure they (the movies) dont state it,...

It's as simple as that for me.

 

As far as Revan being a Sentinel goes, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I originally thought of Revan as a Sentinel but now I vacillate between Sentinel and Guardian. Over the past year or so I've come to think of the classes as more of a representation of a Jedi's personality type than anything else. So from my perspective Consulars are Jedi who seek peace, harmony, and understanding through the Force. Guardians are Jedi who have no hesitation in defending those who cannot defend themselves and resort mostly to combat to solve problems they face. Sentinels have a strong sense of justice, to discover the truth that may be hidden and bring it to light. I've also come to think that a Jedi's personality, and hence the Jedi's class, can change with time and experience.

 

But again, I don't feel the need to apply KotOR's Jedi classes to movie characters. While doing so may be fun it's simply speculation since there is no basis in fact for this. The movies never mention anything about Jedi classes, just the ranks of padawan (apprentice), knight, and master. In the movies Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda, and the others are Jedi, not Jedi Consulars, Jedi Guardians, or Jedi Sentinels.

[Feagildin]

Revan is so a consular. Eager to learn was in reference to the force. Kreia says that looking at Revan was like looking at power. In the SW universe, when you call a Jedi/Sith/force sensitive powerful, it means in the force.

[YertyL]

Sooooo ... Anakin was obviously a counsular too since he was without doubt strong in the Force

[MrVorlon]

Well, judging by the fact that he wields a blue lightsaber in the comic, my guess is that he's canonically a Jedi Guardian, since that's the blade colour attributed to that class ingame.

What comic?

 

And on topic, before his fall I say he was leaning toward the Consular. He is a strategic genius when it comes to war, and he was said to be very charismatic and convinced many Jedi to join him. He can use his intellect and cunning. And as we find out in KoTOR 2, he can actually scheme to safeguard the future from an unknown threat. He has patience.

 

But then again he was no slouch with the saber as he slew some dudes on the bridge and was then getting ready to duke it out with Bastila and three other Jedi. So he can fight and is so sure of himself he would fight four Jedi at once.

 

He was also a mechanical genius it appears, as he did build an assassin droid. So he is skillful. (Although it seems building droids isn't so hard to do in the Star Wars universe. Nine year old Anakin built 3-CPO.)

 

It seems then, that he is all these things. Maybe if Revan is as smart as is said, he would have all these skills. Or rather, put a little of each into his repertoire. He is said to always wanting knowledge. Always studying. Who's to say he didn't learn more than was expected of him.

 

So I say he's a consular but he gained great skill in lightsaber combat by sparring with Malak, his closest friend. He learned about building droids in a "Building droids for Dummies" book, just like Anakin.

[lessthanjake2]

So I say he's a consular but he gained great skill in lightsaber combat by sparring with Malak, his closest friend. He learned about building droids in a "Building droids for Dummies" book, just like Anakin.

 

I wouldnt say that about the droid thing. I mean he built a droid that was so great at assassination that it was copied by organized crime. You arent gonna find out how to do that in a "Droid Building for Dummies" book.

[MrVorlon]

I wouldnt say that about the droid thing. I mean he built a droid that was so great at assassination that it was copied by organized crime. You arent gonna find out how to do that in a "Droid Building for Dummies" book.

Uh-oh. You just shot my "Dummies" theory down.

 

You made me realize something I hadn't before. Revan didn't just make a droid. He invented one. There are a commercially available, well black market available, series of droids based on the blueprints of his own creation. So not only is Revan a master strategist, and capable with the saber, he's an inventor too. He should wear a crown.

[stoffe]

I'd say none of the standard classes. Revan is described as such a "Jack of all trades, master of all" that (s)he defies normal classification. Only his/her own personal class would suffice for such a Mary Sue character.

[mjpb3]

I'd say none of the standard classes. Revan is described as such a "Jack of all trades, master of all" that (s)he defies normal classification. Only his/her own personal class would suffice for such a Mary Sue character.

 

Ha! A Guardentilar!

[MrVorlon]

Ha! A Guardentilar!

Senlardian?

[mjpb3]

Senlardian?

Consentian?

[Feagildin]

Sooooo ... Anakin was obviously a counsular too since he was without doubt strong in the Force

 

Hmm, point conceded. LoL I was wrong in my logic. Maybe revan was a consular with 50 points to spend at character creation.

[JustinSane]

*Spoilers*

 

I agree that the canonical Revan's "Jack of all trades, master of all" status means he can't be classified neatly anywhere. I would however say that the argument for Guardian is by far the weakest. As a class, Guardians tend to have less need of charisma than consulars and less need of intelligence than sentinels. The following is all I can remember of what the game tells us of Revan relating to attributes:

 

Terribly charismatic - Malak's comment on the Leviathan, Vorak(?) in the Jedi academy answering questions about Revan and Malak, forcing Basic into the Rakatans minds.

 

Very intelligent - Canderous says he was a military genius, he built/invented HK/47, and tracking down the star forge would require intelligence more than any other attribute.

 

We don't really know anything else about the nature of his power. We know he was stronger than Malak and that he defeated Mandalore. That could have been either by lightsaber or by force power. Ultimately I think his expansive planning and scheming combined with his overwhelming power in the force and charisma indicates Consular. That may be largely because Consular is easily my favorite class however He easily could have been a Sentinel as well.