Spider AL Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I don't think you quite understand the concept of atheism, Chase. 1. An atheist is one who does not believe in god/s. 2. Because there is NO PROOF that gods exist. 3. Therefore, a rational man is atheist by definition, since a rational man does not believe anything without some evidence to support his belief. Do you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No? Why not? There's no PROOF that he doesn't exist. It's because you don't need proof that something doesn't exist before you disbelieve. You DO need proof that it does exist before you believe. That's what you've been missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 the flying sspa...spaghetti monster? on the off-topic, over a year ago i was in a passenger seat with my sister at the wheel, she didnt yield to oncoming traffic while taking a left hand turn (she though he was gonna stop or something) i look out the window and scream a few expletives, thinking it's over, and for some reason, the truck did not hit us, even though it should have. this summer while i was away visitin my friend at where my parents went to bible school and where i went to christian gradeschool, someone that was going like 90 totalled the car, she walked out alive with a little nerve damage in her arm, but after seeing the car, if i was not away visiting w/my friend, i would not be here today, as there would've been a high percentage of me being in the passenger seat. **** like that just can't be explained, i just prefer to believe that someone is looking out for me. back to the topic.. another thing that pisses me off.. people that are picky about what they eat. also, there are a few people where i work that decide to put on these stupid doctor masks and/or wear gloves when they're at a register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 You DO need proof that it does exist before you believe. That's what you've been missing. I'm not sure you are right there. I don't believe in gravity, I know it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 So how you don't believe it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally Posted by Rogue15: the flying sspa...spaghetti monster? on the off-topic, over a year ago i was in a passenger seat with my sister at the wheel, she didnt yield to oncoming traffic while taking a left hand turn (she though he was gonna stop or something) i look out the window and scream a few expletives, thinking it's over, and for some reason, the truck did not hit us, even though it should have. this summer while i was away visitin my friend at where my parents went to bible school and where i went to christian gradeschool, someone that was going like 90 totalled the car, she walked out alive with a little nerve damage in her arm, but after seeing the car, if i was not away visiting w/my friend, i would not be here today, as there would've been a high percentage of me being in the passenger seat. **** like that just can't be explained, i just prefer to believe that someone is looking out for me. "Prefer", that's the important word. I on the other hand "prefer" to form my opinions based on evidence and logic. And of course "**** like that" can be explained. We have perfectly secular, rational terms for events like that. "coincidence", "random abberation" and "heck-darned good luck". I'd be very interested in seeing any evidence that these events were anything but plain old good fortune. Ah, and the FSM: http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ ph33r. Originally Posted by jon_hill987: I'm not sure you are right there. I don't believe in gravity, I know it exists. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=believe In the sense in which I used it, the word "believe" was technically correct. If you want to have a semantic/terminological debate over the preferential use of the word "know" vs. the word "believe" in discussions of atheism, feel free, but I won't be joining you in it any further than this: A rational man cannot know a thing without tangible or logical proofs. A rational man should not believe a thing without tangible or logical proofs. Unlike you, I'm not going to attempt to excise the word "believe" from my vocabulary just because it's been abused by the irrational over the ages. Instead, I will use the word in a properly rational context. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Oh, so I misinterpreted "I don't believe in gravity, I know it exists." For me it sounded as if Mr. Hill stated he knows gravity exists, but he doesn't believe it. X) I mean. >.> After all.. there are many strange people here. <.<;; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 yeah i am part irish so that could explain it. good ol' luck o' the Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 The question is, do you celebrate Christmas, or whatever, and why? considering what Christmas is. I celebrate jol. Christianity merely took traditions from other religions and transformed them to fit their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I just have a few questions for any atheist here. You don't have to answer but I am just curious and don't really want to debate it and I'll just leave things as they are. The question is, do you celebrate Christmas, or whatever, and why? considering what Christmas is. Jae started a thread on "somewhat" of that subject here: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?p=2229649 Might be better to take it there rather than sidetrack this already dislodged topic/thread While yeah, it's in the Senate, I'm sure most Atheists won't jump down your throat to answer questions of curiosity or force a debate from those specifically not looking for it (since you stated such). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I just have a few questions for any atheist here. You don't have to answer but I am just curious and don't really want to debate it and I'll just leave things as they are. The question is, do you celebrate Christmas, or whatever, and why? considering what Christmas is. Yes, I do celebrate it. But only as a family holiday, not as the birth of Jesus. I don't mind if it is a Christian holiday, it's still "special" to me, and something I'm probably going to celebrate all my life, even though It's a wee-bit commercialized. -EDIT- Funny how this thread started with "things that piss you off" and ended in religious discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight of Keno Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Chase, the whole "Whered did it all come from is" too much forman to solve. So far the humankind has only managed to get the best solution in that it came from some other dimension. Just like 2D animals can't understand 3D, or Bacteria can't see the big picture, we can't see something that might be easily sen by some other creature out there. And to your second question, I still celebrate christmas and am all for the whole celebration, but like Pho3nix, not as the birth of Jesus. I celebrate it as the family gathering it has always been. It's like an annual festival when the clse family gets together and has some great times with each others. It's just like birthdays or New Year to me. I really don't even figure that it's a christian holiday anymore except for when at school they start pressuring us with weekly one-hour festivals when everyone signs some old and tired songs about Jesus. I might've not judged the whole existance of God unless teachers and priests wouldn't have gotten me thinking religion as boring old farts' thing. And the work they do for children as in pressuring to get out and hang out with the loonies and such are just really annoying. Especially the stance the religious people speak to young people. It's like "if you're not 20, I will speak to you like you were 4" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Chase, I have replied to your post in this thread, in order to stay on-topic: Why Atheism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 When people try to gossip with me. I don't give a damn about who Ian slept with, and how Rachel found out. I don't know either of them. Stop thinking I do.Heh heh...actually, my name's Ian and my girlfriend in mid-grade 10 was named Rachel. This was actually quite a hot topic in early 1989. Memories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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