TSLRP II: The Un-Restored Content

[Darth_Eradycus]

what'd they get banned for?

[Sir Vougalot]

Well, can't they just use a different site?

[SD Nihil]

what'd they get banned for?

 

The members of the team on kotorfiles weren't banned. Only Darth Balor and his ability to post mods on that site. And Zerimar Nyliram I don't know of any mega kotor series download sites out there besides kotorfiles. They're a monopoly. I was the one who sent pms to all that I could on Darth Balor's e-mails between him and the staff the first time he got in trouble. Basically DB was saying someone below him gave him something that was stolen it turns out. And also the person he got the permission to use an item from said he could.

 

This all seemed to start when Emporer Devon had his M4-78 mod and Team Exile had theirs. Competiton in a way. One has differences from the other, but really one wants to do better than the other. Call me crazy for jumping on the conspiracy train, but when you think of it the kotorfiles staff could do what they want to back their staff member ED and his version and screw over their competitor Team Exile. Just my opinion. Not saying it's true just it makes you think.

 

I mean yeah we all want recognition for our work. But if it means you can't allow anyone to expand on it whether they had permission or not is so selfish and lame. None of your really own the rights to anything. Only lucasarts does. I mean the real motivation to makng something is the accopmplishment and knowing you made your mark. I mean we're all gamers trying to better the expereince. You did something better ok. Whatever just so long as we all can enjoy the new stuff people make.

 

Anyway I don't know. All of this is so childish anyway. Wah I want recognition I own this and own that. No one legally owns a mod. Besides modding copy written material is illegial, but allowed for sales and enriching a game community.

[Miltiades]

TThis all seemed to start when Emporer Devon had his M4-78 mod and Team Exile had theirs. Competiton in a way. One has differences from the other, but really one wants to do better than the other. Call me crazy for jumping on the conspiracy train, but when you think of it the kotorfiles staff could do what they want to back their staff member ED and his version and screw over their competitor Team Exile. Just my opinion. Not saying it's true just it makes you think.

 

One problem there. Team Exile didn't exist when Team Bantha started and Team Bantha didn't exist anymore when Team Exile started. So there was/is no competition.

[Stream]

This all seemed to start when Emporer Devon had his M4-78 mod and Team Exile had theirs. Competiton in a way. One has differences from the other, but really one wants to do better than the other. Call me crazy for jumping on the conspiracy train, but when you think of it the kotorfiles staff could do what they want to back their staff member ED and his version and screw over their competitor Team Exile. Just my opinion. Not saying it's true just it makes you think.

Well there's a few things about that M4-78 is being made by DSTONEY642000 who has broken away from Team Exile and in his thread here stating he's gone solo, Shem has wished him luck not only this KoTOR Files isn't like that in general, the team over there help modders out the best they can, I mean with my Lightsaber Choices mod Shem added the link to it on KoTOR Files in my thread in T.U.C.E which he didn't have to do, you can't get more helpful than that, so anyway the point I'm trying to make is there's nothing to think about at all really, KoTOR Files aren't a dodgy bunch at all.

 

mean yeah we all want recognition for our work. But if it means you can't allow anyone to expand on it whether they had permission or not is so selfish and lame.

You're entitled to your opinion but how can it be selfish and lame to want your own work, which you've probably spent a lot of time on, not to be altered by others?

 

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[Emperor Devon]

This all seemed to start when Emporer Devon had his M4-78 mod and Team Exile had theirs. Competiton in a way. One has differences from the other, but really one wants to do better than the other.

 

Competition would imply both teams are in a state to compete. The M4-78 restoration team I was on disbanded... what, over a year before this came up? As I've not attempted (nor wanted) to revive the project since, I'm not sure why you think there's any competition between us.

 

Not saying it's true just it makes you think.

 

If you're going to imply I'm petty enough to sabotage modding projects for the sake of my own ego, at least don't dance around the fact that you have.

 

I mean yeah we all want recognition for our work. But if it means you can't allow anyone to expand on it whether they had permission or not is so selfish and lame.

 

Hmmm, not surprising to hear something like that from someone who's not released any mods. I suppose there's no reason to bother responding to the rest of your post then.

[SD Nihil]

Well it is your mod. Though your not with the team that made yours. So a new team comes along that wants to also do the droid planet. Would it be ok if they bettered it or outdid it?

 

And I'm not saying DB didn't error nor am I dismissing your contribution to community. I and them do thank you for it.

 

That shows your ego by saying just because I'm not a modder you won't bother to respond. I found the way you said it flippant too. Actually I know how it is to create stuff like that. I use to write for zelda gaming sites back in the late 1990s for different sites such as Nincube. Walk throughs and such. Hey if someone had a better way of writing stuff cool. I was just trying to help the gamer out. So no I don't care much about recognition. It's fine if they liked the work. Doesn't bother me if they don't. It doesn't effect me.

 

I mean even money in life as long as I'm comfortable I don't need more. I don't get those people who need boats and houses and stuff. Not necessary. I'm content and thankful for what I have.

 

The reason why I danced around what I was saying was because I honestly wrestle with ideas I might have. We should always be questioning ourselves is this right or not. I am young and I know I don't know as much as others older than 23. But we can talk and if I'm wrong that's cool I'm wrong. Also I danced around what I said because I didn't want to get in trouble either. Just wanted to share thoughts. And I couldn't think of a more tactful way of saying it without it being somewhat rude. Not my intention.

 

I mean it's all for the the enjoyment of all of us gamers to enhance the experience for us all. And when I wrote those walk throughs it helped me to. I helped me to look at the game from different angles. It motivated me to find all the secrets and really work on finding easier ways for the gamer to find what I found. So by doing so it ehlped me and helped them.

 

Making these mods should also bring enjoyment and hope fully you learned something. Plus you aided in some way. That's also your mark. And these things are really more valuable than just recognition.

 

But to be more on topic let me say that sadly Team Exile has said they cannot do this like they use to being that DB is no longer going to work for them on this. So basically their mod will either have to be continued by another who steps up and will ask their permission.

 

And if time passes and someone wants to continue to mod and they cannot find the team due to the team moving on or that sort of thing. You can at that point always give the team credit and post the mod. A modder friend of mine chris, told me this.

[Stream]

That shows your ego by saying just because I'm not a modder you won't bother to respond. I found the way you said it flippant too. Actually I know how it is to create stuff like that. I use to write for zelda gaming sites back in the late 1990s for different sites such as Nincube. Walk throughs and such. Hey if someone had a better way of writing stuff cool. I was just trying to help the gamer out. So no I don't care much about recognition. It's fine if they liked the work. Doesn't bother me if they don't. It doesn't effect me.

We're not talking about anyone's work being better than someone else's, you originally said that not allowing people to expand on your work is selfish and lame and that's what Emperor Devon was talking about. I think what ED meant was if you'd released a mod yourself you'd understand that you may not want other people to alter your work - would you honestly like it if someone came along, took one of your walk-throughs that took you hours to write , edit one paragraph and then put their name on it as if they wrote the whole thing? If you're honest I'm sure you'd be a little but pi***d off and that's all the KoTOR Files team have done, they've stopped someone from ripping off other people.

 

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[SD Nihil]

It's different. First, making those walk through writings are original in that you used those words. But this is restoring content already created by Lucs Arts. ED restored already made content except he put other items in it. Team Exile is restoring it to the way Obsiden intended M4-78 to be.

 

It's still competition whether EDs still with the party or not. He's in a position of power at a site. He can choose to have the alternative succeed at their version or not allow them to succeed for the reason of one guy's error. ED has the means and the motive to do so if he so desired.

 

Team Exile wants to make a more appealing version than theirs. Maybe you want EDs version for the flavor he added to it. Or maybe you simply want a version that portrays how Obsiden wanted it.

[Gargoyle King]

Team Exile wants to make a more appealing version than theirs. Maybe you want EDs version for the flavor he added to it. Or maybe you simply want a version that portrays how Obsiden wanted it.

Your seem to be relating to some form of competition between Emperor Devon and Team Exile yet again, there NEVER was; get over yourself. For the record, M4-78 (i assume it is this you are referring to) is now DSTONEY's solo mod and not part of Team-Exile so M4-78 is now irrelevant with the K2RP. You could of course make you're own version of M4-78, good luck with that.

 

Oh, and another point, of course any M4-78 mod would be more "appealing", as the TB effort was NEVER released! ED's attitudes towards DB was purely because of plagiarism, not over some warped sense of "competition" of which you try to relate. Team Bantha disbanded a while ago now, well before Team Exile came along as i'm sure ED has already tried to explain to you.

[SD Nihil]

Simply pointing out he has the means and motive to do so. DSToney who's that. And "get over yourself" comment. Nice attitude. Let's just drop it. We both think we're right and writings I can actually get a patent and copywrite for my work. Can't do that with a mod on a copy written game. ED come to Mech assault 2 sometime I sure would love to own you.

 

But anyway DB has asked me to let this thread die. He says they're going to preserve the mod and maybe some day work can continue.

[Gargoyle King]

Well there you go, people have been trying to explain what I have just said to you, and you just can't accept it. Don't start trying to prove people like ED wrong if they have the facts to back up their points and then go hate what they say in return, ED was trying to show you how Team Bantha and Team Exile regarding M4-78 have nothing in common (along with your idea of "competition") and you try to throw it into a pointless argument. I'm sorry if my attitude came across as harsh RA Jeff, it's not directed to you personally i just hate pointless discussions about what is such a small thing. To back your point up, your own work is your own but regardless of this, i think it is safe to say that any M4-78 mod is better than nothing, regardless of original intent etc.

 

Good luck with the future of the project, that's all i'm gonna say on this matter.

[SD Nihil]

And if someone makes a comment about you I wouldn't care to respond if it's untrue. Actions speak louder than words anyway. I simply looked at ED's actions. But anyway sometimes I wonder why I even bother these days sayng my opinion when people already think they know everything. All of it is so stupid. This whole situation prevents us from getting more out of a game.

 

My facts havn't been disproven. Especially how I pointed out how writting are different from mods. What the real reason should be for one making somethng for others. And finally like I said neither of us are going to convince the ohter since we already are unwilling to change our minds. So let's just leave it at that. Geeze these mod squables are so noobish.

[Gargoyle King]

You're point ain't invalid. Personally, people can say what they like about me, doesn't bother me as they don't know me.

As to the mod, i don't care who does it, or if it gets done at all. With regards to ED's actions, just what has he done to you?

[Malpense]

Can we delete this damn thread? It's just gonna get filled up with pointless argument over who said what, and assigning motives to people... which is just pointless.

 

Team Exile's dead. Let's all just accept that.

[Gargoyle King]

Team Exile's dead. Let's all just accept that.

Oh i believe that, i accepted this a LONG time ago. Just thought i'd get my debating hat on for a change.

[Robespierre]

Oh i believe that, i accepted this a LONG time ago. Just thought i'd get my debating hat on for a change.

 

Uh, lol? We disbanded about 3 days ago. Hell, we were even getting close to a complete pre-TSLRP release. Sad that it had to go. Maybe a while down the track someone will give it a zap with the defibrillator and see what happens.

[SD Nihil]

You're point ain't invalid. Personally, people can say what they like about me, doesn't bother me as they don't know me.

As to the mod, i don't care who does it, or if it gets done at all. With regards to ED's actions, just what has he done to you?

 

More like what he's done by his selfishness all over recognition he's doomed us to no longer seeing the content all because one guy who made an unintentinal mistake. And loony636 yeah like I said I hope someone in the future takes up the reigns in the future. And posts the mod where others with power abuse can't effect them. But yeah let's just delete the thread. Done dealing with ED's lackies.

 

Sure wish the team could at least release what they have done to this point. Maybe someone will take the reigns after that. One guy not the whole team errored.

[Shem]

More like what he's done by his selfishness all over recognition he's doomed us to no longer seeing the content all because one guy who made an unintentinal mistake.

@RA Jeff:

 

The only reason you’re mad is because your desire to have K2RP for yourself is all you care about. You don’t care about anybody else but yourself.

 

You seriously have no clue to what is going on here. All you’re focused on is “I don’t get my mod” part

 

Quit blaming Emperor Devon for this. “I” and “I” alone pulled the plug on Darth Balor. Blame me, not Devon.

 

Your ban on KotorFiles wasn’t by me. It wasn’t by Emperor Devon as stated in the ban message your received. It was by Inryi Forge for harassing Devon.

 

There is no competition between Team Bantha and Team Exile.

 

M4-78 will happen. Check this thread out:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=185874

 

I fully support DSTONEY642000’s work because I believe it will be legit because Darth Balor hasn’t nothing to do it with it. Doesn’t sound like a competition anymore, does it?

 

If this was a competition with Team Bantha and Team Exile, then how come I allowed Team Exile back for a team being?

http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/news/Team_Exile_is_Welcomed_Back_to_FileFront;36668

 

The reason why Team Exile got their plug pulled:

http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/news/Team_Exile_is_Not_Welcomed_at_FileFront_Again;37146

 

Is because of this:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=185785

 

Balor will continue to commit plagiarism as far as I’m concerned because he has no respect for other modders.

 

This isn’t just Darth Balor making one mistake. This is Darth Balor committing plagiarism after plagiarism. This shut down of Team Exile isn't about what happened with Team Exile’s incident recently, this is the actions of one person which makes me nervous to allow Team Exile’s mod to be hosted with us because I can’t trust anything that Balor does anymore. The problem is Team Exile has stated their mod can’t survive without Balor. This isn’t a Team Exile issue, this is Darth Balor being on Team Exile is what the problem is.

 

I’ve linked a lot of things you need to read very carefully RAJeff. It’s time to get educated on the matter before you reply so you don't seem ignorant.

[southern_fox]

Damn, that was pretty incriminating. The case looks closed, and rightfully so.

 

Watching all of this, I'm kind of amused at the clumsy notion that there is some sort of competition between Team Bantha and Team Exile. The two never existed at the same time. Team Bantha had its heyday about a year or two ago, and from what I understand it closed up shop without releasing any significant material. If they did release anything in playable form at all, its news to me. Then again, I never kept up much with mods for The Sith Lords.

 

Since then, none of its members have never showed the slightest movement for a revival. Its dead. A dead and unreleased project can hardly have partisans who want to keep it in the spotlight.

 

Its not rational or very kind to insist falsely that Emperor Devon has sinister motives here. Thats flatly petty. In fact, I think that KotorFiles was rather nice and restrained considering that, for all intents and purposes, it forgave Balor for plagiarism twice, and eventually allowed his project to continue with conditions. All out of sympathy for other members of the team and to save their work. That set of events alone goes to show right there that the there was no attempt to sabotage the project. If there was a conspiracy, then the project would have been dead with the first opportune bullet.

 

How many colleges or book publishing companies would forgive an author's plagiarism so many times? All things considered, KotorFiles has been pretty tame.

 

Its transparent that the shut-down is about Balor, and is sadly caused by someone who rips other people's work with no regard for not only the wrong he does, but also the risk he puts his team and their work in. There is nothing lame or selfish about taking action against stealing. If it means the shut-down of a larger project because of his intrinsic connection to it (even from first glance, it was pretty clear that Balor was Team Exile in many ways), its all the more sad.

 

He ended up being the alpha and omega of a very ambitious project. It may very well live on and prosper in its new hands.

[Quanon]

Men, what a load of trash and flame-bait.

 

I'm just happy DSTONEY642000 continues his work and that its been seen as safe by Shem and the people at file-front.

 

Else my work at the SkyBox might have all been in vain and that would have sucked hard as I spended hours on that to get it like that.

 

RA Jeff I hope you start to see the light here, I felt almost the same like you, why can't modders be more open and more "sharing" like with their works?

 

Well I turned around after working long and hard on my Temple mod, because of all the work it has become something very personale really.

 

And I would hate ( bit of a strong word ) to see somebody else just mildly changing it and then releasing it as his own work.

 

Anyway seeing your replys at Kotorfiles , I get the same feeling like Shem.

 

"Leech" , your just out to get this mod no matter what must be done to get it.

Including "dirty" behaviour.

 

 

But this is all in the past now. So let it be burried with 10 tons of sand and be forgotten.

 

No need to start a fight about a dead thing.

 

Just my 2 cents, hope this didn't offend anyone to hard, if it did I'm sorry.

But these kind of events always call up more bitter feelings then 'sweet' ones.

[RedHawke]

Without further adieu... closed.