TKA-001 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Because watching something fictional is in and of itself wondering "what if". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Hehe, fine go ahead I was just wondering anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Foley Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I'll throw my take into the mix. ...even if he was so far above the caliber of other Jedi (no evidence to support such assumptions)... I'm gonna have to say you're dead wrong in this case. Darth Vader in Episode III was just beginning to unlock his potential. The Emperor clearly thought that Vader would some day be more powerful than he. And remember, Anakin was about 5 years of training behind other Jedi and still one of the best. Between AOTC and ROTS it is clear he is still growing in power. And in TPM, it is clearly stated that Anakin's raw power is greater than any Jedi in recorded history ("...his reading is off the chart..."). Vader clearly had the ambition to become the Emperor, as he told Padme, Luke, and probably his secret apprentice. Whether or not Vader would have been able to rule is obviously subject to speculation, but I like to think he would have, not because of him being intellectually or even emotionally capable, but because his abilities with the Force would have grown to unreal levels. I think if he had ruled, he would have been able to use some form of battle meditation- even untrained- to be able to turn events in his favor 100% of the time. Plus, eveyone in their right mind would be terrified of him. But clearly, it was not to be. His own arrogance destroyed all of his potential before it could even blossom. That's my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Why do people seem to think that a person having force powers somehow guarantees that people will follow that person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Foley Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I don't think they'll follow him because he had Force powers, but I do think the clones would follow him. Palpatine knew the way of the Sith: even if he did plan to rule for as long as he could, he could see Anakin would reach levels he could only dream of. People would be terrified of Vader. He wouldn't have ruled the same way as the Emperor; I'm sure the Rebellion would have caused more havoc for Vader than it did for Palpy, but again, I truly believe Vader would have eventually been able to sway everything his way with his unheard of affinity for the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I don't think they'll follow him because he had Force powers, but I do think the clones would follow him. Palpatine knew the way of the Sith: even if he did plan to rule for as long as he could, he could see Anakin would reach levels he could only dream of. Δgain, why would Palpatine make it easier for someone to kill him and get away with it? He has no reason to care for the Sith legacy any longer; he's already had his revenge and destroyed the Jedi Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Δgain, why would Palpatine make it easier for someone to kill him and get away with it? He has no reason to care for the Sith legacy any longer; he's already had his revenge and destroyed the Jedi Order. But he invited Luke to strike him down in ROTJ, surely he wasn't just joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Foley Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Δgain, why would Palpatine make it easier for someone to kill him and get away with it? He has no reason to care for the Sith legacy any longer; he's already had his revenge and destroyed the Jedi Order. On the other hand, why would he care if it was easier for them to assume power if he was already dead? It's not easier to kill him, just if Vader did, well, that was how it would be. I don't think Palpatine started thinking about ruling forever until he saw Vader was no longer the ultra-Sith Palpatine intended for him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuuKage Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 That's insane. Why would Palpatine make it easier for someone to kill him and get away with it? Palpatine specifically crafted the Empire's government and military (especially the stormtroopers) to be loyal to him alone. Ultimately, everyone answered to him, and the clones had no reason whatsoever to accept the execution of their leader over some arbitrary rule in an obscure culture that they didn't even know about. not someone, his APPRENTICE the clones would know who Vader was. it makes sense if you think about it, lol. They wouldn't have followed anyone else, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 But why would the traditional process of the Sith apprentice succeeding the master mean anything to them? They don't even know that Palpatine or Vader were Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Foley Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Perhaps it was a hidden order, like 66, to follow Vader if the Emperor dies, even if it was he who killed Palps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Again, there is no reason for such an order to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuuKage Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 But why would the traditional process of the Sith apprentice succeeding the master mean anything to them? They don't even know that Palpatine or Vader were Sith. They were conditioned to turn on their Jedi generals and execute them on a moments notice. Why wouldn't they also be conditioned to accept Sith ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Yeah, I mean, the thing is, they didn't shoot back in the Video Game, that should be canonical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Foley Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Again, there is no reason for such an order to exist. Then it just comes down to whether or not Palpatine would want Vader to rule if he killed him or not. As much as Palps wanted power for himself, I think he would have given the order, if only because once he was dead, there was no reason for him just to make things difficult for the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedil3thal Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 :DHe probalby would after all they said he was the chosen jedi that would defeat the sith so he could defeat the emperor and rule:xp: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Anakin/Dathvader is the most powerful sith of them all said the phrothecy so he could kill the emperour easily the resons he dint: Episode 3, he dint want to be by himself plus he needed palpetine to get the galactic empire organized Episode 4, He wants Luke with him to defeat the emperor father and son. Episode 5, same as 4 but he wants luke to become a Darksider Episode 6, He relizes the true meaning of the Darkside and that luke would never join him so he decides to kill the emperor to help his son and to put a end to the Darkside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 oh and the prothecy was right he does defeat the emperor just not the way the jedi picrtured it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwier Zak Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 If you're only refering to the Anakin of the prequels then I'd have to agree with you. But the Darth Vader of the OT (esp. ESB!) was perfectly capable of ruling the galaxy. You see, they're two completely different characters. Prequel Anakin was a friggin' idiot that totally undermined the character of Darth Vader, IMHO. Yet another reason why I despise the prequels with every fiber of my being. Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Je'karta Mand'alor Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 greivious is'nt force sensitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsew Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 greivious is'nt force sensitive No one has said so either. Don't post stupid stuff, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadelee Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Just can't not to agree with The Dark Lord! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemez0r Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Vader WAS 'The Chosen One' but he got owned by obi-wan! The suit was the only thing stopping him from killing palpy... imagine if vader DIDN'T have the suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 ARGH i have been reading this thread and find it an insult to fandom to use Videos games as evidence to support an opinion in a discussion of G canon. From ESB: VADER: Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It's the only way. Vader wanted Luke to join him in defeating the Emperor because Vader knew the Emperor was too powerful for him. Then after the Emperor's Deafeat they could rule the Empire. Luke wanted to save Vader/Anakin, and in doing so they could defeat the Emporer, and bring peace and the Old republic back to the Galaxy. Tho Luke probably wanted to just save his dad and that was enough. The Emperor on the other hand knew Luke was a threat. That is why he pitted Vader and Luke against each other. Luke could only win, by using the Dark side. And Luke Almost DID win, and succumb by a merest fraction. He only missed the Coup de Grace on Vader. If Luke did the Coup de Grace The Emporer would have a new more likely more powerful apprentice. Otherwise, Vader would have won, and there would be one more less threat. Vader more then likely could have ruled as a Tyrant in the Emperor's place. The only problem would be that Vader wouldn't have the Far-sighted vision that the Emporer had. I doubt Vader would have come up with the idea to lure the Rebels into a Trap with the Second Death star. Instead vader would likely Base-Delta-Zero any perceived uprising or rebel sympathizers. If there are suppose to be troopers or royal guards defending the Emporer. How the heck was Luke able to drag Anakin's body to the shuttle without having to confront them? In the time it took Lando and wedge to travel to the Reactor core: Luke had to take the Turbolift down to the Death star surface, travel how ever many MILES to the Equatorial Trench (most likely an Express Turbolift for the Emporer's personal use) have an emotional Father sun talk and launch the shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthAwesome Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 In the duel of Palpy and Yoda... Palpatine makes mention that "Vader will become more powerful than either of us". But Vader never does. I guess we can thank Obi Wan for creating another cyborg that uses the force (Grievous comes to mind). But I started thinking.. do you think Anakin would have actually been more powerful than the emperor if he never wound up on the low ground against Kenobi and became stumpy the burnt toast sith? If left to develop into a sith apprentice unimpeded by his disability or handicap that Obi left him with... Do you think Vader indeed could have been the emperor? Before his duel with Obi Wan.. Anakin was speaking of ruling his empire with Padme at his side... So Anakin definitely had ambitions for it. Did Obi take some steam out of his step... and Vader was content at being the Emperor's gopher? I think, without a doubt, Anakin would've become more powerful than the Emperor had he not being maimed by Obi-Wan and been left to burn to a crisp on Mustafar. Anakin had the potential to become one of the most powerful force users the galaxy had ever seen but it wasn't realized and thanks to Obi-Wan he wound up in the suit, being the Emperor's lackey. If Anakin had defeated Obi-Wan during the Battle Of the Heroes, I have no doubt, that he would've overthrown the Emperor, eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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