Negative Sun Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 lolz...just occurred to you! The HTPC milieu have been excited about that for a whiles now. Im sure Iv ebeen rabbiting on about it in the news thread. I concur that Astro has been raving about it in the news thread, a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Yeah, well, it's my fault for not paying any attention to anything that AMD is doing as of late. It's usually too damned depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Yeah, well, it's my fault for not paying any attention to anything that AMD is doing as of late. It's usually too damned depressing. I think people are starting to wrongly focus in on the brute power pissing contest.... when the CPU market is so much more than that... what % of world users want a fully decked out crysis rig?? (replete with over $1000US of GPU hardware!) ...lolz Hence, for most users, as long as AMD can out out some competitive prices on the low to mid end stuff, then their sales will augur will. As for the server and HTPC market, AMD are deifnitely starting to look like they have a an edge. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 hey, real quick: i'm looking to get a new monitor so that i can finally put to rest my old 2x 17" CRT monitors (both monitors are over 10 years old). i'm looking for a widescreen monitor, probably in the 22-24" range. my main caveat is that it needs have a max resolution that can support a full 1080p resolution since i'll have my Xbox 360 hooked up to it in addition to my computer. right now, i'm looking at the following manufacturers: Gateway, Dell, and Viewsonic. i also prefer to use Newegg, but let me know if i can get one cheaper somewhere else, too. thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Nope, Newegg is the best place to go and I would prefer ViewSonic I've had a ViewSonic monitor for 3 years and they rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 How much are you willing to spend? There's a pretty big jump in price from 22" to 24" and up. Bear in mind that 24"+ LCDs are able to display 1080p natively, anything lower is not going to be able to display it pixel by pixel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 well, the price isn't that much of an issue since my parents are going to pay for either all or part of it as a birthday present. i've already done some pricing, and anything under $500 should be more than reasonable. **Edit** i found one that i'm going to go ahead and grab. its an Acer 24" monitor from Newegg. its a good price for a nice monitor; so, i can't complain too much. anyways, thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 welcome to the world of HD stinger, soon you'll be wanting a bigger one with more pixels, believe me [/screenjunkie] mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Hmm, I would've gone for a 22" ViewSonic VX2240W "Why?" You say? I think going above that for a 360 is overkill as anything above 720p is upscaled anyways (there's even controversy about certain games being upscaled to 720p, making the 1080p and upscaling of an upscaled image = ouch!), and you will lose some of the sharpness in the image (some people say that it makes no difference, but if you're a psycho purist like me, it would bother you ) Here's an excellent review of that Viewsonic screen, which got the much sought after 5 star rating on LesNumeriques.com, there's even a video of it in action there... If you must go 24" I'd get the Viewsonic VX2435WM, of which you can read the review here (can't seem to find it on Newegg though), though it expresses my concerns about upscaling, and more! It says that from a PC input, everything looks amazing, but from consoles or other inputs, 1080p gets upscaled (once again!!!) to 1200p, which means another loss in quality! Like I said, maybe it's not that bad, but I know it would bother me personally... Just my two cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 well, the 1080p thing isn't just for the 360. i'm going to be getting a BD drive for my computer soon anyways. having a monitor that can support full 1080p natively will be a big plus for that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would rather have a projector that I could use to change the size of the screen... perfect for gaming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would rather have a projector that I could use to change the size of the screen... perfect for gaming! I have one. projectors are ok for movies and some types of games.... the image just isnt bright or pristine enough for games where you have alot of detail on screen. Not to mention that a decent 1080p projector will kick the bejesus out of your bank balance @negsun. dont mistake a a gfx cards straining for upscaling Some 360 and ps3 are capable of true 1080, the rest 720. They still look cool on a monitor simply because images are non interlaces, as opposed to your run of the mill TV Stingers monitor is future proof and blu-ray ready. The bluray+PC paradigm shift is almost here mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 @negsun. dont mistake a a gfx cards straining for upscaling I'm not, I know full well that 1920x1200 will strain your GPU way more than 1680x1050, and I'm sure stinger does too Some 360 and ps3 are capable of true 1080, the rest 720. They still look cool on a monitor simply because images are non interlaces, as opposed to your run of the mill TV I know some are capable of running movies and such at 1080p, but gaming wise, virtually nothing on the 360 has a native 1080p resolution, the 1080p a 360 puts out is an upscaling of whatever resolution that game was made in, mostly 720p or under...Hence the loss of quality I was talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I have one. projectors are ok for movies and some types of games.... the image just isnt bright or pristine enough for games where you have alot of detail on screen. Not to mention that a decent 1080p projector will kick the bejesus out of your bank balance @negsun. dont mistake a a gfx cards straining for upscaling Some 360 and ps3 are capable of true 1080, the rest 720. They still look cool on a monitor simply because images are non interlaces, as opposed to your run of the mill TV Stingers monitor is future proof and blu-ray ready. The bluray+PC paradigm shift is almost here mtfbwya you should get one of those super bright projectors that you can see with a lot of lights on, my church has one of those, it's freakin' bright, it gives new meaning to "Blinde by the light" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Negsun, the quality loss you should be thinking about more is when your GPU drops frames, or simply cant draw them quick enough The quality of our kit improves rather than goes backwards...many games I had trouble running at full spec with my 7950GX2 get murdered on 1080p(and beyond) on my measly 8800GTS. In one year, simply because of BR drives alone, having a 1080+ display is going to be run of the mill. PC gamers always look onwards and upwards.... so how could they ever say no to 1080+ display M@RS >> are you kidding ?? I do custom home theater installations, I know my projectors undies out! Unless you belong to a super rich church, that feels ok at squandering $50,000 on a theatre grade HD digital projector, you'll find most standard projectors clock in at 2000-3000 ANSI Lumens. I have no need for a 3000+ lumen device in my modest home theater/projection room Even with one of those, you can never have the sharpness that you get when you have your eyes peering at some tiny detail on an LCD/OLED display some 30cms from your face mfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 This is the 4850 I'm looking at getting. The one thing I don't like about the 4800's is how hot they run. I've been looking for a dual slot 4850 that would vent air to the outside of the case like the 4870 does (per Q's recommendation) but haven't found any of those around and this looks like the closest I can come to an OEM over-cooled solution. If anybody has any better suggestions I'm open to hearing them. On another note, I guess it's an expansion card design standard but I think it counterintuitive that single slot graphics cards have the cooling fan mounted so that it points down instead of up in a tower case. Heat rises right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 On another note, I guess it's an expansion card design standard but I think it counterintuitive that single slot graphics cards have the cooling fan mounted so that it points down instead of up in a tower case. Heat rises right? That's why it's important to have good airflow in your case, at least one intake at the front and one exhaust at the back is a must... The GPU you've linked to looks like it's got a Zalman VGA cooler on it, which is like the Mecca of VGA coolers for most PC enthusiasts (before liquid cooling that is), so I'd say it's very adequate, as long as all the hot air gets extracted from your case properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool. In the meantime stinger > why dont you and your 8800GTS join our folding team. The 8800GTS does some phenomenal work once CUDA drivers are installed. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool. Is that the vapor cooled ones aye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool. Is that the vapor cooled ones aye? Very interesting. Not having purchased an ATI/AMD product in quite some time I haven't paid much attention to Sapphire and this Vapor Chamber Cooling technology appears to be quite effective. Looks like Sapphire has put out a Toxic version of the HD 4850 (Zalman cooler) but so far no Atomic versions of HD 4800 series GPU's. Also checked Sapphire's forums but no indication that an Atomic 4800 is on its way. Maybe I can wait for another month to see if something comes out but I'm really starting to feel the need for a new graphics card (games, video editing, folding@home) so I don't know if my patience will last that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 In the meantime stinger > why dont you and your 8800GTS join our folding team. The 8800GTS does some phenomenal work once CUDA drivers are installed. mtfbwya actually, its a Radeon 2900 Pro, if you remember correctly. and, yes, i'm planning on joining the LF team. right now, though, i'm currently undergoing a maintenance cycle (driver updates, HD defrag, antivirus upgrade, etc), so its probably going to be a couple of days before i get everything going. if its any consolation, i've downloaded the installation files already. @ Char Ell - i would be surprised if Sapphire didn't come up with an Atomic product for the 4800 series, but that's not to say that a lack of one wouldn't catch me off guard, neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 lolz..stinger I couldve sworn you had a 8800GTS... ah well anyway, for folding you may just want to run the standard, console or GPU client. If you want to be a points mogul... on your setup you could get A GPU client going for your 2900 and at least one cpu core with a console client. DONT mix to gui clients together I'd be extremely interested to see what the 4870 does with FAH. I was a bit dissapointed with the HD3450 folding prowess... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 The HD4000 series fares no better compared to the nVidia client because atm F@H attributes more points to nVidia hardware than Ati, because Ati's been doing this for a while, but nVidia just jumped on the bandwagon last month or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 there's a bit mere to it than that negsun. Nvidia Gpus are faster at folding... even folding project designer said so source The 3450 256 isnt exactly a bottom barrel card, yet it folds 100 times slower than the 8800gts. From all i've read on it, The CUDA functionality is the key difference. Of course, it is probably the only thing CUDA is good for ATM mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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