Atris as Traya: Public Input

[Pikmin]

I thought about having Sion and Atris fight, and when it comes closer towards that choice I might actually have it.

 

A mod can close this now.

[ChAiNz.2da]

Merged the poll with this thread to make it easier. I also fixed the poll links - Cz

[Pikmin]

Thanks.

 

I vote for a combination of logan23's first idea, Zerimar Nyliram's first idea, and nine.roses' idea.

[EnderWiggin]

Thanks.

 

I vote for a combination of logan23's first idea, Zerimar Nyliram's first idea, and nine.roses' idea.

 

If that's the set of ideas you like best, then go for it. Modding should be for yourself first, and for the community second

 

_EW_

[Salzella]

I don't think Kreia should be redeemed: if you're on Korriban and you go the tomb of Ajunta Pall and follow the dialogue in a certain way, she says something about believing redemption is something the weak do, to turn away from what they truly are. Or that's the gist of it anyway. Possibly? Mind you, since you already seem to have chosen, this post is a bit pointless, but I'll throw it out there anyway

[Emperor Devon]

I'm honestly not sure how you could go about 'redeeming' Kreia. The concept of redemption is a complete anathema to everything her character stands for. That she hates the Force aside, she's still not a very nice woman.

 

(Plot exposition ahead.) On the flip side, however, Kreia (for this mod, thankfully) could care less about remaining consistent with her established character. She's as much a hypocrite as the Jedi Masters, using the Force so she can teach people to despise it and manipulating others so they can be free of manipulation at the hands of the Force. Her character is full of contradictions, but it's part of what makes her so deep. Everything she does in the game, she does to make the exile stronger. To her, the exile is a living example of the most fundamental part of her teachings: That life is possible without the Force.

 

It's why she's willing to go out of her way (even to the point of practicing against what she preaches) to make the exile stronger, because the stronger he becomes the more he proves Kreia's teachings right. It's very petty of her to seek an external affirmation of her beliefs, yes, but it's very human.

 

In any case: if Atris becoming Traya would strengthen the exile, Kreia would go out of her way to make it happen. I'm at a loss as to how it would, though. But if anyone can guess how, it would be totally consistent with the rest of Kreia's character. Which I think any mod involving Kreia should try to do.

 

Atris becoming Traya would be easy, though. She's already full of so much anger towards the exile. All it would take is a little push from him to send her completely over the brink.

[JBomber499]

I chose Lorgan's second idea..

 

It makes the most sense, and I always wanted Nihilus to kill Sion in the Videos on YT

[Pikmin]

I'm honestly not sure how you could go about 'redeeming' Kreia. The concept of redemption is a complete anathema to everything her character stands for. That she hates the Force aside, she's still not a very nice woman.

 

(Plot exposition ahead.) On the flip side, however, Kreia (for this mod, thankfully) could care less about remaining consistent with her established character. She's as much a hypocrite as the Jedi Masters, using the Force so she can teach people to despise it and manipulating others so they can be free of manipulation at the hands of the Force. Her character is full of contradictions, but it's part of what makes her so deep. Everything she does in the game, she does to make the exile stronger. To her, the exile is a living example of the most fundamental part of her teachings: That life is possible without the Force.

 

It's why she's willing to go out of her way (even to the point of practicing against what she preaches) to make the exile stronger, because the stronger he becomes the more he proves Kreia's teachings right. It's very petty of her to seek an external affirmation of her beliefs, yes, but it's very human.

 

In any case: if Atris becoming Traya would strengthen the exile, Kreia would go out of her way to make it happen. I'm at a loss as to how it would, though. But if anyone can guess how, it would be totally consistent with the rest of Kreia's character. Which I think any mod involving Kreia should try to do.

 

Atris becoming Traya would be easy, though. She's already full of so much anger towards the exile. All it would take is a little push from him to send her completely over the brink.

 

 

I see what you are saying, and there are used/unused voice files in the game that involve Kreia saying Atris taking over the mantle of Traya was required to finish the players training. (It strengthens the character so that she becomes ready for war again, ready to abandon the republic to die, ready to take Kreia and follow Revan's path. taken from a cut Kreia line that would take place after Atris is killed on Malachor V.)

 

 

 

Kreia being "redeemed" is really only a figure of speech, it is more of a way to activate Atris' fall. I thought about having it happen auto-magicly if you were male, but then you don't get the stuff that happens if Kreia was Traya for a male player. So I figured a way to get Kreia to push Atris fully into her pit of doom was required.

 

I could add a new dialog with Kreia about Atris that would become available if you found out everything about Atris that is possible. Then when Kreia says the Jedi await you on Dantoine, you could ask if Atris will be there with them. That would end up causing Kreia to tell Atris the exile never loved her, and went to war thinking it would weaken the bond that had been created between them.

 

The gist of my post is Kreia doesn't get "redeemed".

 

My main problem is what to do to get Kreia to push Atris into becoming Traya. I know it will happen only if the player is male, but what causes her to give up being Traya is confusing.

[Pikmin]

A mod can end the poll now.

 

done - Cz