Obama's Connection to ACORN?

[GarfieldJL]

  Rogue Nine said:

YouTube is owned by Google, kthnx.

And who owns google?

 

 

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Watching obviously biased videos will really change people's minds. Right.

 

Just watch them, because it shows you where to find the sources, heck even I've been posting up the Senate Bills these Videos are talking about.

 

 

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"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market... the GSE's need to be reformed without delay."

-- Senator John McCain (R-AZ) Senate Floor on May 25, 2006.

[Rogue Nine]

  GarfieldJL said:

And who owns google?

Google owns Google. Time Warner does not. If you read that TW does own Google, I'd have to wonder about the veracity of your sources.

 

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Just watch them, because it shows you where to find the sources, heck even I've been posting up the Senate Bills these Videos are talking about.

And these 'sources' aren't biased or haven't had any conservative 'spin' put on them. Sure.

[mimartin]

  GarfieldJL said:

Watch the videos and it tells you who caused this mess.

I have a little education in the field of Finance and Accounting. I actually don't need to watch a video to tell me what caused this problem. I read information and then come to my own conclusion based on facts not bias speculation and exaggerations.

 

I'm not comfortable continuing this discussion in this thread as there is already a thread to discuss the bailout.

[GarfieldJL]

  Rogue Nine said:

Google owns Google. Time Warner does not. If you read that TW does own Google, I'd have to wonder about the veracity of your sources.

 

That part was my bad, I just remember the given reason that the web vids were taken down. Long story, but the vids never said youtube was owned by Time Warner. Just pointed out a link to why the vid kept being taken down.

 

More of a blah mistake on my part, thanks for pointing that out, where I'm typing faster than thinking, happens once in a while when in several debates at once.

 

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And these 'sources' aren't biased or haven't had any conservative 'spin' put on them. Sure.

 

Not saying they don't but by the same token you can listen to the actual people saying things and most of the media gives a liberal 'spin' remember the mainstream press is actually trying to cover up Obama's connection to ACORN.

[Web Rider]

  GarfieldJL said:

Not saying they don't but by the same token you can listen to the actual people saying things and most of the media gives a liberal 'spin' remember the mainstream press is actually trying to cover up Obama's connection to ACORN.

 

Well, I don't read a lot of mainstream press(I don't like TV news much), and they're not talking about it either.

[GarfieldJL]

  Web Rider said:

Well, I don't read a lot of mainstream press(I don't like TV news much), and they're not talking about it either.

 

Thing is the left-wing sources don't want people to know about this, they are in the tank for Obama and are actively trying to get him elected.

 

Quite frankly, if the truth came out, his campaign would be finished.

 

 

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/obama-corruption-money-laundering-acorn-fec-rules-no-quarter-usa-money-laundering-scandal-acorn-voter-fraud/

[Rogue Nine]

  GarfieldJL said:

That part was my bad, I just remember the given reason that the web vids were taken down. Long story, but the vids never said youtube was owned by Time Warner. Just pointed out a link to why the vid kept being taken down.

 

More of a blah mistake on my part, thanks for pointing that out, where I'm typing faster than thinking, happens once in a while when in several debates at once.

Glad you realize that you need to slow down and make sure what you read is factual rather than some smear.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Not saying they don't but by the same token you can listen to the actual people saying things and most of the media gives a liberal 'spin' remember the mainstream press is actually trying to cover up Obama's connection to ACORN.

Or maybe they know better enough not to pay attention to it because it's not that big an issue?

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Thing is the left-wing sources don't want people to know about this, they are in the tank for Obama and are actively trying to get him elected.

And the right-wing sources you paste all over this forum aren't in the tank for McCain and actively trying to smear Obama so that McCain gets elected? Please.

 

  GarfieldGL said:

Quite frankly, if the truth came out, his campaign would be finished.

 

 

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/obama-corruption-money-laundering-acorn-fec-rules-no-quarter-usa-money-laundering-scandal-acorn-voter-fraud/

Do you ever post sources that aren't completely and utterly biased?

[GarfieldJL]

  Rogue Nine said:

Glad you realize that you need to slow down and make sure what you read is factual rather than some smear.

 

No that error was mine not the source.

 

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Or maybe they know better enough not to pay attention to it because it's not that big an issue?

 

Since it took as long as it did to even get the superficial stuff on his relationship to Bill Ayers, I highly doubt it isn't a big issue.

 

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And the right-wing sources you paste all over this forum aren't in the tank for McCain and actively trying to smear Obama so that McCain gets elected? Please.

 

They source their sources though, the videos will show searches you can do on google yourself.

 

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Do you ever post sources that aren't completely and utterly biased?

 

Since I posted the actual full text of bills that Obama has voted on, so I have posted unbiased sources. There is next to no source out there that isn't biased anymore. Most sources are in the tank for Obama though.

[Rogue Nine]

  GarfieldJL said:

No that error was mine not the source.

Yes, and I was suggesting that you need to slow down and read stuff carefully before spouting your mouth off.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Since it took as long as it did to even get the superficial stuff on his relationship to Bill Ayers, I highly doubt it isn't a big issue.

Makes sense that a conservative news source would get to it first, in any case. And they're addressing it now because of the smear tactics of the Republican campaign.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

They source their sources though, the videos will show searches you can do on google yourself.

Yes, I see the sources. And I can see for myself the ridiculous spin that the videos put on them.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Since I posted the actual full text of bills that Obama has voted on, so I have posted unbiased sources.

Oh good, so you admit all the other sources you've posted are biased as hell.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

There is next to no source out there that isn't biased anymore. Most sources are in the tank for Obama though.

News flash: Just because a source publishes a story that debunks a Republican claim does not mean they are 'in the tank for Obama'. You'll need more proof than that.

[GarfieldJL]

  Rogue Nine said:

Yes, and I was suggesting that you need to slow down and read stuff carefully before spouting your mouth off.

 

I read things through, I'll take your suggestion to heart, and would suggest you read and listen to the sources I've provided before making judgements though.

 

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Makes sense that a conservative news source would get to it first, in any case. And they're addressing it now because of the smear tactics of the Republican campaign.

 

And it took over a year for even the basic information to come out? Remember Fox News was the one that broke the Reverand Wright situation, you don't think it's important that the potential President has a pastor for 20 years that hates this country, and is a racist?

 

If it were a Republican with a pastor that hated blacks, it'd be all over the media and you'd be calling for his head.

 

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Yes, I see the sources. And I can see for myself the ridiculous spin that the videos put on them.

 

Well people were saying Sean Hannity had gone off the deep end too, but now more and more stuff has come out that has proved Sean was right all along. My parents didn't believe this stuff at first until they did their own research and discovered that Sean was telling the truth.

 

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Oh good, so you admit all the other sources you've posted are biased as hell.

 

Hey, I admit my sources have conservative leanings, but that doesn't mean that they aren't telling the truth.

 

They are actually less biased than CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC though. Right now Rush Limbaugh (whom I often think is way out there) in my opinion is a more reputable source than they are.

 

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News flash: Just because a source publishes a story that debunks a Republican claim does not mean they are 'in the tank for Obama'. You'll need more proof than that.

 

How about the New York Times article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html

Btw, this article was on the front page of the NY Times, and was later proven to be completely bogus and having no remotely credible source.

 

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjZhMzkyYzBiYTZhMDQ3MmMzODk3OTRiZGJiMjk2YmU=

 

http://www.mrc.org/worst/2008/20080812.asp

 

The National Enquirer has better sources than what the New York Times article did, yet the New York Times refused to touch the Edward's affair.

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  GarfieldJL said:

Right now Rush Limbaugh (whom I often think is way out there) in my opinion is a more reputable source than they are.

Known association with illegal prescription drug abuser.

 

Now if I want to know about the side effects of Oxycodone or Hydrocodone I’ll listen to Limbaugh.

[GarfieldJL]

  mimartin said:

Known association with illegal prescription drug abuser.

 

Now if I want to know about the side effects of Oxycodone or Hydrocodone I’ll listen to Limbaugh.

 

Uh huh, so my listening to Rush Limbaugh occasionally on the radio normally just for entertainment, is somehow worse than being associated with a terrorist on a personal level or training employees of a radical left wing organization?

[Inyri]

  GarfieldJL said:

Uh huh, so my listening to Rush Limbaugh occasionally on the radio normally just for entertainment, is somehow worse than being associated with a terrorist on a personal level or training employees of a radical left wing organization?

Guilty by association. Isn't that what you're suggesting of Obama?

[Rogue Nine]

  GarfieldJL said:

And it took over a year for even the basic information to come out?

Because it didn't seem all that important at the time? Ayers is currently a respected professor at a university and his contact with Obama was incidental at best. Hardly a cause for alarm.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Remember Fox News was the one that broke the Reverand Wright situation,

Fox News has done a lot of things that are ridiculously conservative.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

you don't think it's important that the potential President has a pastor for 20 years that hates this country, and is a racist?

Not if said potential President is not a racist himself. Religious affiliations mean little to me.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

If it were a Republican with a pastor that hated blacks, it'd be all over the media and you'd be calling for his head.

I wouldn't; as I've said, religious affiliations don't concern me. And as I said before, if the nominee himself is not a racist, then I fail to see the problem.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Well people were saying Sean Hannity had gone off the deep end too, but now more and more stuff has come out that has proved Sean was right all along. My parents didn't believe this stuff at first until they did their own research and discovered that Sean was telling the truth.

I don't follow Sean Hannity, you'll have to indulge me as to what he's doing because your statements make no sense to me without context. And that still doesn't explain why the videos need to be so blatantly biased.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

Hey, I admit my sources have conservative leanings, but that doesn't mean that they aren't telling the truth.

It means they're distorting the truth to fit their conservative leanings.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

They are actually less biased than CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC though.

I'd like some objective, unbiased, un-spun proof of this, please.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

How about the New York Times article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html

Btw, this article was on the front page of the NY Times, and was later proven to be completely bogus and having no remotely credible source.

What, major publications aren't allowed to screw up now and again? How about I list the ways Fox News has screwed up? I'll guarantee you it's a lot more than the Times has.

 

  GarfieldJL said:

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjZhMzkyYzBiYTZhMDQ3MmMzODk3OTRiZGJiMjk2YmU=

 

http://www.mrc.org/worst/2008/20080812.asp

 

The National Enquirer has better sources than what the New York Times article did, yet the New York Times refused to touch the Edward's affair.

The Enquirer also pays their sources, which isn't really a very sound journalistic tactic.

 

And again with the biased sources. Do you ever read anything that doesn't put a ridiculous conservative spin on things?

[Corinthian]

I'm reasonably certain guilt by association doesn't apply to abuse of prescription drugs. On the other hand, I'm reasonably certain it does apply to High Treason, which is what he's accusing Obama of.

[GarfieldJL]

  Corinthian said:

I'm reasonably certain guilt by association doesn't apply to abuse of prescription drugs. On the other hand, I'm reasonably certain it does apply to High Treason, which is what he's accusing Obama of.

 

That's a little overboard, but the idea someone knowingly associating with terrorists (cause there is more than just Bill Ayers), is a big difference from listening to someone occasionally on the radio. Heck I've never even met Rush Limbaugh, whereas Obama has had dinner over at Ayers' house.

[mimartin]

  GarfieldJL said:

Obama has had dinner over at Ayers' house.

I'm sure the pot roast was plans to a nuclear bomb.

 

 

Judgment is judgment. While I don’t believe being friendly or listening to someone automatically makes someone guilty by association, stating that someone is guilty because they broke bread with them, or listen to their views, worked for a company or were friends with them is absurd. Just because Obama ate with Bill Avers, listen to Jeremiah Wright or worked at ACORN does not make him guilty of anything. After all I’m reading a lot of post here, but that does not mean I agree with any of them. It is what Obama believes that is important, not what Wright, Avers or Acorn believes.

 

Just because you listen to another point of view does not mean you agree with it, it just means you are polite. Jesus broke bread with sinners, so why can’t we all?

[Corinthian]

I'm having flashbacks to Steve Cohen comparing Obama to Jesus.

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  mimartin said:

Jesus broke bread with sinners, so why can’t we all?

IIRC, Jesus broke bread with repentant sinners, mimartin. Bill Ayers doesn't seem very repentant to me.

[mimartin]

  Qliveur said:

IIRC, Jesus broke bread with repentant sinners, mimartin. Bill Ayers doesn't seem very repentant to me.

 

I thought Jesus was the one that got them to repent. Sounds kind of silly for Jesus only to deal with the repentant.

 

How can you change someone’s mind if you do not have an open dialogue?

[GarfieldJL]

  mimartin said:

I thought Jesus was the one that got them to repent. Sounds kind of silly for Jesus only to deal with the repentant.

 

How can you change someone’s mind if you do not have an open dialogue?

 

Jesus got them to repent, he didn't help them teach young people hate, so there is no comparison to Jesus.

[mimartin]

  GarfieldJL said:

Jesus got them to repent, he didn't help them teach young people hate, so there is no comparison to Jesus.

What are you talking about? I not comparing anyone to Jesus.

 

 

I am just saying it is not a sin to asssociate with sinners.

 

By the way, Obama is not teaching young people to hate either.

[GarfieldJL]

  mimartin said:

What are you talking about? I not comparing anyone to Jesus.

 

 

I am just saying it is not a sin to asssociate with sinners.

 

By the way, Obama is not teaching young people to hate either.

 

He was the one diverting funds to them from a Foundation that was supposedly for Education.

[Achilles]

Here's another take on the whole ACORN thing. It's from a blog to take it with a grain of salt, however the article is well-sourced which should lend it more credibility than many of the other links provided thus far in this thread (which contain accusation and supposition and nothing more).

 

I hope you find it useful.

[GarfieldJL]

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1124865&srvc=home&position=emailed

 

You mean this ACORN group that's under investigation by the FBI?