Teacher misconduct this election

[GarfieldJL]

Are you saying a local newpaper can not be right-wing or left-wing? If they had a website, would that be bias too? I don't know about that paper, but my local paper and their website are extremely right-wing and the town 45 mins to the south has a extremely left-wing paper.

 

Here's the thing though, that incident did happen and the source is legitimate.

[Jae Onasi]

Off-topic posts removed.

[El Sitherino]

I remember when I was in middle school they tried to tell me I supported murder when I said I supported Al Gore because he wasn't anti-abortion.

 

Quit griping and face the facts, middle schoolers ain't ****.

[GarfieldJL]

I remember when I was in middle school they tried to tell me I supported murder when I said I supported Al Gore because he wasn't anti-abortion.

 

Quit bitching and face the facts, middle schoolers ain't ****.

 

That was an abuse of power too, and I'm guessing you went to a religious school not public school.

 

So that's a little stickier, it'd depend on whether or not your school received Government Funding, if they didn't I'm not sure about whether or not the incident would classify as illegal.

[El Sitherino]

That was an abuse of power too, and I'm guessing you went to a religious school not public school.

 

So that's a little stickier, it'd depend on whether or not your school received Government Funding, if they didn't I'm not sure about whether or not the incident would classify as illegal.

 

Hahaha, yeah I went to a religious school. Nope, Public Education funded by the Federal and Texas Government.

 

Yet another reason to support Obama, actually.

[GarfieldJL]

Hahaha, yeah I went to a religious school. Nope, Public Education funded by the Federal and Texas Government.

 

Yet another reason to support Obama, actually.

 

That was you public school system, sounds like the reverse in stance of San Francisco, California but the same misuse of public funds.

 

However, I consider this another reason to support John McCain.

[Litofsky]

That was you public school system, sounds like the reverse in stance of San Francisco, California but the same misuse of public funds.

 

However, I consider this another reason to support John McCain.

 

Why would this be a reason to support John McCain? Is education high on his To-Do list? The same question applies to Sithy, to be fair: why is this a reason to support Obama?

 

*I'm not attempting to poke anyone, but I just want a reasonable explanation as to why one candidate is better for education than the other.*

[El Sitherino]

However, I consider this another reason to support John McCain.

Why? John McCain has continuously supported reducing funding for education while impossibly raising standards that cannot be met. This then forces schools to close, thus leading to a strain on the education system even more, leading to problematic educational enviroments. From there we see further misappropriation of funds.

[Jae Onasi]

Why? John McCain has continuously supported reducing funding for education while impossibly raising standards that cannot be met. This then forces schools to close, thus leading to a strain on the education system even more, leading to problematic educational enviroments. From there we see further misappropriation of funds.

 

Those are pretty significant allegations--is there somewhere we can check on this?

[Inyri]

His description sounds like No Child Left Behind. I have... opinions on that. =_=

[Jae Onasi]

I was thinking more along the lines of the misappropriation of funds. I don't know if McCain supported No Child left behind or not.

[El Sitherino]

I was thinking more along the lines of the misappropriation of funds. I don't know if McCain supported No Child left behind or not.

 

You can check McCain's voting record on the senate website. The misappropriation of funding can be found searching local news websites in many places. I remember a while back Dallas ISD was under investigation by the state of Texas for directing education funds to other venues. I'm not saying McCain supports it, simply stating he doesn't support proper regulation of said government funding. Because of this neglect a lot of schools do not receive the funding they are supposed to.

 

I can assure you the money that was written to go to these schools that are closed doesn't go to the school where it's students are transfered to. You can speak with any school board about this.

[mimartin]

Jae you can go to this website to see how any of the candidates voted on the issues including education.

Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)

Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)

Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)

Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)

Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)

Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)

Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)

Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)

Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)

Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)

Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)

Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)[/Quote]

 

I found this one listed under taxes especially compelling:

Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)[/Quote]

[Litofsky]

As opposed to:

 

# First Senate bill: increase Pell Grant from $4,050 to $5,100. (Aug 2007)

# Sponsored legislations that recruit and reward good teachers. (Sep 2004)

# Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)

# Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)

# Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

There's my reason to support Obama instead of McCain: they've got nearly opposite voting records in this topic.

 

Source. Thanks to mimartin for the link.

[GarfieldJL]

What was attached to the bills though, McCain normally votes against bills that are full of ear marks?

 

 

You need to actually have a look at the entire bill, because as I recall there was a bill with an earmark for a Woodstock Museum courtesy of Hillary Clinton.

[El Sitherino]

What was attached to the bills though, McCain normally votes against bills that are full of ear marks?

You can look at the bills by clicking the full information link and by visiting the senates website.

[GarfieldJL]

You can look at the bills by clicking the full information link and by visiting the senates website.

 

I need the bill numbers to look them up, in a reasonable amount of time.

[Achilles]

Researching the merits of the claim after making it. Always the hallmark of an argument that needs to be taken seriously.

[Tommycat]

If you are going to quote, lets include all of it:

I want schools to answer to parents and students. (Sep 2008)

Pay bonuses to teachers in the most troubled schools. (Jul 2008)

Target funding to recruit top graduates as teachers. (Jul 2008)

Direct $750 million to build virtual schools. (Jul 2008)

Give parents easier access to obtain help for their children. (Jul 2008)

Shake up failed school bureaucracies with competition. (Jun 2008)

Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts. (Jun 2007)

Believes in evolution, but sees the hand of God in nature. (May 2007)

Against nationally imposed standards & funding strings. (Feb 2000)

Teach virtues in all schools. (Dec 1999)

Enlist retirees for tutoring. (Nov 1999)

Good teachers should earn more than bad lawyers. (Oct 1999)

Decisions on teaching evolution should be made locally. (Aug 1999)

Help unqualified teachers find other lines of work. (Jul 1999)

Supports tax-free savings accounts for education expenses. (Jul 1999)

Supports “Reading Excellence”; and rewarding good schools. (Jul 1999)

Supports at-risk programs; homeless ed.; anti-drop-out ed. (Jul 1999)

Internet access, with filters, at every school & library. (Jun 1999)

Merit pay & competency testing for teachers. (Jun 1999)

Ed-ACT Bill: college plans; language proficiency. (May 1999)

Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)

Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)

Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)

Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)

Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)

Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)

Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)

Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)

Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)

Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)

Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)

Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)

Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)

Focus educational resources to help those with greatest need. (Jul 2001)

Require state standards, regular assessments, and sanctions. (Jul 2001)

Support Ed-Flex: more flexibility if more accountable. (Jul 2001)

Rated 45% by the NEA, indicating a mixed record on public education. (Dec 2003)

Now since the actual bills are not listed, we can only guess at his reasons. I mean I've seen a few bills that include some really large sums of money going to pork.

 

Now while I may be religious, I do not like his stance on creationism. I do like his TAX FREE education savings.

 

At any rate, at the topic, I dislike teachers using classes to support any political agenda. This includes things that I may agree with for the simple reason that the classrom is about learning, not about furthering a political aim.