Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 How did he break the rule of two? He raised a massive army, Taught many dark jedi apprentices instead of just one apprentice, hogged his knowledge...need i go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 No not really, Palpatine never really broke the rule of two. There were only two true "Sith." There were plenty of Dark Jedi, but the two always remained. Stormtroopers don't count as Sith, in fact, the entire Imperial Military isn't Sith. It's controlled by the Sith, but isn't the Sith. Even the Secret Apprentice wasn't Sith, he merely a very powerful dark-side adept, not Sith, not of the bloodline of Bane. Palpatine remained true to the Sith ideals, in doing this, he conquered the known galaxy, and was probably the most powerful Sith in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 The Rule of two was created so that the sith could remain hidden, to strike from the shadows so that they could manipulate their enemies, Palpatine broke the rule when he raised a massive army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endorenna Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Even Bane meant to destroy the Republic and the Jedi. We can only assume he meant to take control as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 No, Palpatine didn't break it, the Rule of Two was meant for secrecy, yes. But in fact, Bane created the Rule as a strategy and a form of protection. The strategy was to remain hidden until the proper time, and strike swiftly, shrouding the galaxy in the dark side. The protection was because that as long as there were 3 Sith Lords, one was going to want the other two dead. So as long as their are only 2, Master and Apprentice, proper balance of the Sith and its teaching could be kept intact without a massive war destroying the Sith from inside. Palpatine didn't disobey the Rule of Two, he used it correctly and wisely, and he died the way every Sith Master would die, by his Apprentice's hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 vader was no longer his apprentice when Vader struck him down, Vader had returned to the light side, Palpatine should have waited longer before taking powah for himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Powah? Palpatine had Powah to begin with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 He had to be trained first to get the Powah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 He raised a massive army, Was this massive army comprised entirely of Sith? No. Taught many dark jedi apprentices instead of just one apprentice, Dark Acolytes - Dark Jedi, not Sith. There's a big distinction. hogged his knowledge And how is that breaking the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 The Rule of two had sith share their knowledge for the good of the sith, Palpatine withheld knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 The Rule of two had sith share their knowledge for the good of the sith, Palpatine withheld knowledge. I doubt it. "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." Knowledge = Power. And there is no way a Sith Lord would tell his/her apprentice everything. That doesn't fit the style of a Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 No, he didn't withhold, he was merely waiting for the right time, and besides, if he told his apprentice everything, there would be no reason for Palpatine to be kept alive by Vader. It would've been a fatal mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 The rule of two had the master gathering the knowledge and then passing it onto their apprentice, the master would pass on all the knowledge to the apprecntice and once the master had nothing left to teach, the apprentice would then kill the master. and the apprentice would become the master, search for an apprentice, and collect more knowledge to pass onto the apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 The rule of two had the master gathering the knowledge and then passing it onto their apprentice, the master would pass on all the knowledge to the apprecntice and once the master had nothing left to teach, the apprentice would then kill the master. and the apprentice would become the master, search for an apprentice, and collect more knowledge to pass onto the apprentice. That's not exactly how it works, though. A Sith Lord doesn't simply teach them everything and then say 'kill me'. A Sith Lord doesn't want to die - remember, they only care for themselves, and how much power they have. They accept an apprentice as a matter of course, but they don't make things easy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 The fianl test of the rule of two was that the apprentice had to kill the master, they didn't make it easy, they made it as hard for the apprentice as possible, if the apprentice failed to kill the master, then the apprentice would die, the sith would not know when the apprentice was going to strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 i always understood the rule of two as i method of keeping the sith alive, making them stronger, and meticulously planning... until they time came for them to reveal themselves, annihilate the jedi order, and take over the galaxy. i always thought that this was what the sith worked towards - the final goal. and to do that they kept themselves secret, amassing knowledge and manipulated the galaxy to this end. if the sith went on in the rule of two forever, they'd just exist. they want galactic domination. they want to destroy the jedi, and afaik, ultimately want to obtain immortality. if they always remained in hiding, they wouldnt achieve those things. [there was at least one exception i know of - vectivus (i think thats his name)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 The point is that palpatine struck much to early in my opinion, he should have waited until the galaxy was stabilized, he should have waited until the republic was stabilized to betray the jedi and take control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The point is that palpatine struck much to early in my opinion, he should have waited until the galaxy was stabilized, he should have waited until the republic was stabilized to betray the jedi and take control I fail to see how anything in Episode III could have gone better for Palpatine. The only possible threat to his military power was removed within hours of the Empire's birth, what with the decapitation of the Separatist leadership and the deactivation of the droid armies. The initial execution of Order 66 and the Republic attack on the Jedi Temple alone effectively destroyed the Jedi Order, and what was left of them was slated for annihilation in the purge afterward (the citizens of the Republic itself turned against them as well, since they apparently tried to assassinate their leader). To top it off, Darth Vader was crippled, but left alive in such a way that he would serve as an effective apprentice without being able to directly challenge Palpatine alone. What more could he possibly have wanted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adavardes Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Unless you count Greivous as a Sith, which he wasn't, then Palpatine never broke the rule of two. He came close with Starkiller, sure, but that was more of using a strong Force sensitive as a tool, not an apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Unless you count Greivous as a Sith, which he wasn't, then Palpatine never broke the rule of two. He came close with Starkiller, sure, but that was more of using a strong Force sensitive as a tool, not an apprentice. Vader is the one who trained Starkiller, not Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adavardes Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Vader is the one who trained Starkiller, not Palpatine. That is true, but Palpatine and Vader were working collaboratively the entire time, using him as a tool to fish out and defeat the emperor's enemies in the Senate. So, technically, Palpatine had a hand in his training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 That is true, but Palpatine and Vader were working collaboratively the entire time, using him as a tool to fish out and defeat the emperor's enemies in the Senate. So, technically, Palpatine had a hand in his training. Sort of. Palpatine didn't know that Galen existed until the confrontation onboard the Executor as seen in TFU. He wasn't working with Vader to find the enemies in the Senate until after Vader faked Galen's death - Vader altered his plans for Galen after he was discovered. Besides that, I don't really see how Palpatine could have been much of an influence on Galen's training, since the two only met each other twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 I believe that the actions palpatine pulled off in the galaxay had a great influence on Galen's return to the lightside, So you could say that palpatine shaped Galen's destiny as much as vader did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I still don't get the rule of two. I think that when you narrow all potential candidates for being the 'best of the best' down to literally one under a single master, then your potential power becomes much more limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I still don't get the rule of two. I think that when you narrow all potential candidates for being the 'best of the best' down to literally one under a single master, then your potential power becomes much more limited. If my opinion, the Rule of Two began (in practice, for the most part) by Darth Bane in order to keep the Sith in secrecy. By doing so, they could more easily plot against the Jedi, whilst all of the knowledge of one master went to one apprentice. By doing this, not only could the Sith operate unbeknownst to the Jedi, but they could simultaneously travel and learn without the burden of a prolonged campaign to sustain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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