EXzSoldier Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Put this up for the enjoyment o fpeople who like punk rock, also listen carfully to the lyrics and tell me if you the this band is racist. oh and if you cant undrstnad lyrics you could all ways look them up Yeah, songs with lyrics like that won't fly here because of expletives. --Jae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I generally avoid music that I'm actually warned by fans is difficult to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXzSoldier Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 its not nessarily hard to understad, its the quality of the video its live mixed audio mixed in the video clips of the band and cambodia or Vietnamn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I really can't tell if this band is racist, because this is only one of their songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 The Dead Kennedys were not racists. Jello Biafra (their vocalist) was actually severely beaten by a bunch of skinheads once if I recall correctly. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Sort of an odd place to put this, but yeah, they're not racist; Holiday in Cambodia was a song dealing with the horrors of Pol Pot's dictatorship in Cambodia after the Vietnam War, and specifically, how the rest of the world seemingly looked away while his government was committing virtual genocide on its people. And yes, DK was boss. I still sing a lot of their songs to myself everyday. I'm tired of self respect I can't afford a car I wanna be a prefab superstar I wanna be a tool Don't need no soul Wanna make big money Playing rock and roll I'll make my music boring I'll play my music slow I ain't no artist, I'm a business man No ideas of my own I won't offend Or rock the boat Just sex and drugs And rock and roll Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool My Payola! Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool My Payola! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 np: Dead Kennedys - Police Truck Awesome song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I generally avoid music that I'm actually warned by fans is difficult to understand. Music isn't about singing, or lyrics or anything like that, in fact, it's one of the least important aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 But if a song is going to have lyrics, I want to be able to understand them. Having lyrics for the sake of it is the ultimate in lame. For examples, turn on the radio. Doesn't matter what station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 ^ Yeah, no kidding. If you can't hear them, what is the point of listening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 ^ Yeah, no kidding. If you can't hear them, what is the point of listening? There are other things to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Music isn't about singing, or lyrics or anything like that, in fact, it's one of the least important aspects. That depends. You can't just rule out lyrics like that, for some people they are the essence of music, for some people guitar shredding is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adavardes Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 That depends. You can't just rule out lyrics like that, for some people they are the essence of music, for some people guitar shredding is. The difference between singing and playing guitar is that you can be great at guitar. You can master guitar. You can be a legend of the instrument. But pretty much anyone with a shred of musical talent can pick up a guitar and learn how to play. Not to say that it doesn't take a lot of talent to play like Morello or Slash, or Herman Li. But it's not impossible to learn it. For vocals, it's different. Both lyrics and voice are supposed to be original, totally unlike anything before them. A lot of bands add layers to their music with metaphors and symbolism, to achieve something with their music in their own unique perspective. And, more importantly, try as you might, you can never sing exactly like someone else. It is inconceivably improbable that your vocal chords sound just like Serj Tankian, or Simone Simons, or Axel Rose. The voice of the band is, in many ways, the identity of the band, and the words and lyrics of the band reflect their ideas, perspectives, thoughts, dreams, ideas and individualities. (I am assuming we're talking about good bands, and not bands like Panic! at the Disco, or Smashing Pumpkins) Guitar shredding is guitar shredding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I take it that none of you's would like Death Metal or any genre of music that involves growling then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adavardes Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I do. There are some very unique growlers out there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Mark Jansen = best growler evar. Not only does Epica use his talent sparingly (as it should be - overused growling is just a lame attempt at being hardcore, tbh, and Epica only uses it in a handful of songs), but you can actually understand what he's saying when he does it. Example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 So...Am I to gather by reading all of these nuggets of opinion that different people have different tastes in music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 So...Am I to gather by reading all of these nuggets of opinion that different people have different tastes in music? *shrug* We're discussing those differences in a civil manner, so I fail to see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I take it that none of you's would like Death Metal or any genre of music that involves growling then. If I want to listen to someone scream at me, I'll call my mother--it doesn't require any money. However, I do like Red, Skillet, and Lacuna Coil so I can tolerate some of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 However, I do like Red, Skillet, and Lacuna Coil so I can tolerate some of it. I listen to these groups too. I am not really into the hardcore stuff. Although that Epica-Facade of Reality wasn't bad. I'm not into that stuff though. That was a little bit too hard for me anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Most of Epica's stuff has nowhere near as much growling as Facade of Reality, Rev, I assure you. For example, Sensorium. Note how amazingly gorgeous their lead singer is. If they're still not your thing, I recommend Kamelot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Personally, I enjoy harsh vocals, as it lends itself to heavy music more as an added instrument than a way to get a message across, but I enjoy some clean vocals as well on occasion. As do I, I can listen top any vocals, and love it, even songs without vocals, it's just the voice, not the way it's sung, that can annoy me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Most of Epica's stuff has nowhere near as much growling as Facade of Reality, Rev, I assure you. For example, Sensorium. Note how amazingly gorgeous their lead signer is. Singer She has a nice voice too--interesting stuff though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Typo fixed. Thanks. She does have an amazing voice. She does both the harsh and calmer songs very well, and has an incredible range and tone. I <3 Simone Simons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Put this up for the enjoyment o fpeople who like punk rock, also listen carfully to the lyrics and tell me if you the this band is racist. oh and if you cant undrstnad lyrics you could all ways look them up... *sigh* DK Racist? You are kidding surely. Considering one of their band members was black, and Jelo was(still is) an outspoken gay rights activist, prejudice was something they were protesting against rather than committing... especially so when you take into consideration their vehement stance against Neo Nazism, as evidenced in their famous tracks "Nazi Punks **** Off' and 'California Uber Alles' 'Holiday In Cambodia' was a protest song against the systematic human rights violations being perpetuated by the Khmer Rouge Rulers of Cambodia in 1975-79, under the brutal leadership of Pol Pot. Under his reign, an (conservative)estimate 1 million people were executed for belonging to one of several categories of "enemies" to the state. These included: *anyone with connections to the former government or with foreign governments *professionals and intellectuals - in practice this included almost everyone with an education, or even people wearing glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they were literate) *ethnic Vietnamese, ethnic Chinese, Cambodian Christians, Muslims and the Buddhist monks *Homosexuals *"Economic saboteurs" urban dwellers deemed to be guilty of by virtue of their lack of agricultural ability. If you want to have a deeper understanding of what happenned in Cambodia, read up on The Killing Fields, or see the great(but harrowing)1984 Film. Please do some research next time. It really wouldnt be hard tracking down articles describing what DK were all about. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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