The cave of evil

[thelazygent]

so what do all those Starkillers in the cave represent? his past clones that failed? Interesting why they were asking for help

[GalenMarek]

maybe it showed the vision what he fear the most

[Sordid Dreams]

I don't think they represented anything. TFU2's story is too shallow for that. I think the writers' reasoning went the other way around: We need to shoehorn an encounter with Yoda into the story, therefore Starkiller needs to visit Dagobah, therefore we need to come up with something for him to experience in the cave. And since the story involves cloning, the most obvious thing to put there was a bunch of clones.

[TKA-001]

They represent all the other clones. They're asking for help because it sucks to be them.

[Sordid Dreams]

Aaaaand Starkiller helps them by slaughtering them by the dozens.

[TKA-001]

Whiiiiiiiiiiich has nothing to do with the thread.

[MajinMikeyX]

I agree with GalenMarek and TKA-001. Why Sordid do you try your hardest to be such a buzzkill on some of these threads when it's something pertaining to TFU2's story and you always have to be such a thread killer and everyone ends up arguing?

[Sordid Dreams]

Hey, it ain't my fault that the story sucks hairy monkey balls. And it ain't my fault either if 'everyone' ends up arguing. How can I be blamed for what others do? I'm just expressing my opinion to other people who know and care about the game, isn't that what the forums are for?

 

Whiiiiiiiiiiich has nothing to do with the thread.

Actually it does. Accepting the premise that visions in the cave are to effect a profound change in the individual experiencing them, as Yoda hints, your explanation makes no sense. Starkiller clearly doesn't give a toss about the clones. Not even within the cave itself, after his initial surprised reaction he proceeds to casually swat them out of his way with the back of his hand without so much as giving them a second look.

[TKA-001]

Hey, it ain't my fault that the story sucks hairy monkey balls.

My only problem is that you feel the need to tell us three times in the same thread. Because of that, I think that we should consider it your responsibility, even if that is technically untrue.

[Sordid Dreams]

Your point being? Look, if you're looking for a flamewar, look somewhere else.

[TKA-001]

[Sordid Dreams]

Will you stop picking on me? This is a thread for discussing the story. Would you kindly do that, like I'm doing, instead of trying to make this personal?

[starkiller1157]

maybe it showed the vision what he fear the most

I don't think he fears the fact of being a clone, because he believes himself to be. And from the heated discussion between him and Kota in the rogue shadow, he seemed pretty sure of the fact.

 

I don't think they represented anything. TFU2's story is too shallow for that. I think the writers' reasoning went the other way around: We need to shoehorn an encounter with Yoda into the story, therefore Starkiller needs to visit Dagobah, therefore we need to come up with something for him to experience in the cave. And since the story involves cloning, the most obvious thing to put there was a bunch of clones.

 

I agree with Sordid Dreams. The storyline lacks realism and Dagobah had really nothing to do with Starkiller and was pointless since we learned nothing about who he really is!

 

They represent all the other clones. They're asking for help because it sucks to be them.

Ha, ha, that made me laugh

[Darca Lar]

You know what could help? Maybe reading the book, it really helped me understand the story in the 1st TFU.

[Sordid Dreams]

Maybe I'd do that if they bundled the book to the game at no extra cost. But they're selling the game on its own, it ought to be able to stand on its own.

[Darca Lar]

If that's true then books and their movie counterparts should be equally good without one being better than the other, or also be a bundle package

[Mandalorian Mercenary]

So according to Sordid Dreams, this thread is for discussing a "shallow" story? ^^

[MajinMikeyX]

So according to Sordid Dreams, this thread is for discussing a "shallow" story? ^^

 

Yeah. Whatever he says he sees as absolute and he can't be wrong. He comes and just talks about how bad the story is in his mind and basically starts an argument about it with one side giving points supporting the story and his side against it. I mean, I guess that's what these forums are for, from a certain point of view as Obi-Wan would say, but I just don't see the fun in debating about the same thing over several different threads.

[Sordid Dreams]

If that's true then books and their movie counterparts should be equally good without one being better than the other

Um... yeah? I though that goes without saying. Obviously a book is going to have a more fleshed out story than a videogame, but even the videogame version should should be a complete story that can stand and make sense on its own. It shouldn't have important bits missing, which TFU2 does have (apparently).

[Darca Lar]

I will agree that the story did have some plot holes in it which is bound to happen when a deadline is involved, but the story did make sense.

[Sordid Dreams]

Really? Okay then, what was it about? And I don't mean a recap of events, I'm talking about the main theme. Like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is about growing up, Terminator is about facing up to and accepting one's destiny and responsibility, etc. What was TFU2 about?

[Darca Lar]

It was about finding answers and discovering worth, hence the trip to dagobah, the "am I a clone" thing

[Sordid Dreams]

That's what the promo materials said, but was it really? Starkiller doesn't seem to question being a clone, he insists to Kota that he is a clone both before and after the vision. Not only are no answers ever found, Starkiller doesn't even ask the question. He doesn't ask Vader or anybody else, he doesn't try to look for evidence. In the end he doesn't even care. Which would've been significant character development if he had unsuccessfully tried to find out, but he hadn't. I'm really struggling with figuring out just what it was about. TFU1 was easy. A bad guy pretends to be a good guy and actually becomes one in the process, you are what you do, that sort of thing. TFU2... can't really say.

[Prime]

Keep it civil, kids.

[Mandalorian Mercenary]

Yes, my master.