Heavyarms Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 I lost one of my best men cuz of them. We need to work together to demolish them, CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon_Leon Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 starting to sound like a clan-recruitment thread, eh ? Now, where do we go from here ? I know ! We can play it out in the tournament ! Both Heavyarms and AU_Armageddon are still in.... let's draw them against each other in the third round ! Winner is right ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Andy_Ewok Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 LOL at your replies to the CoC. Btw I have got the most terrifying name in AU ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygomaticus Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Andy Ewok!!!! *pees in pants* scaaaaryyyy hey andy, is the AU clan your style, or is it just a bunch o guys your compatible with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavyarms Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 actually, I want skythe, not armageddon. He thinks he is the badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Heck lets get all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Originally posted by AU_Andy_Ewok LOL at your replies to the CoC. Btw I have got the most terrifying name in AU ! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! *faints* ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tie Guy Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Ahhh...clans, where games become gods. In my opinion, clans take all the fun out of games. Don't start about how you get to play with friends and you won't get deserted or any of that nonsense. When you come down too it, clans force you play on a regular basis, even if you don't want to, and they force you to play mostly, if not totally, with players from your own clan. I don't know about anyone else here, but the day i start setting a schedule for playing games and force myself to do so is the day i destroy my PC with a sledge hammer. I want to play games for fun, and i want to play them when i have time. Games come after my life, and believe it or not, life doesn't revolve around games. A game is completely ruined for me when i play it without having fun, isn't the point of games to have fun? I can't play a game forever, and some guy i really don't know or care much about is never gonna ruin a game for me by forcing me to play. Now, the above was not meant to be a flame or bash or to offend anyone is any way. I realise that some people want to have a schedule, and that they want to play a single game everyday or almost everday. I guess they figure that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, but i simply don't see how? Just my 2 cents about clans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygomaticus Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 i completely go with you tie guy, although im in a clan meself. Its that i dont demand extra unusual regularity.... plus one more thing, clans are a voluntary thing you know, no ones ordering anyone to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 clans seem to fit in more with FPSes than any other game genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tie Guy Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Originally posted by krkode plus one more thing, clans are a voluntary thing you know, no ones ordering anyone to join. I know, thats why i was giving my reasons for why i'm never going to join a clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Originally posted by Tie Guy Ahhh...clans, where games become gods. In my opinion, clans take all the fun out of games. Don't start about how you get to play with friends and you won't get deserted or any of that nonsense. When you come down too it, clans force you play on a regular basis, even if you don't want to, and they force you to play mostly, if not totally, with players from your own clan. I don't know about anyone else here, but the day i start setting a schedule for playing games and force myself to do so is the day i destroy my PC with a sledge hammer. I want to play games for fun, and i want to play them when i have time. Games come after my life, and believe it or not, life doesn't revolve around games. A game is completely ruined for me when i play it without having fun, isn't the point of games to have fun? I can't play a game forever, and some guy i really don't know or care much about is never gonna ruin a game for me by forcing me to play. Now, the above was not meant to be a flame or bash or to offend anyone is any way. I realise that some people want to have a schedule, and that they want to play a single game everyday or almost everday. I guess they figure that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, but i simply don't see how? Just my 2 cents about clans. Amen, Tie Guy. Preach it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 That's what I said, except said alot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Armageddon Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I lost one of my best men cuz of them. We need to work together to demolish them, CD. You mean work together for a common end? As in start a clan. lmao HA. In my opinion, clans take all the fun out of games. Don't start about how you get to play with friends and you won't get deserted or any of that nonsense. When you come down too it, clans force you play on a regular basis, even if you don't want to, and they force you to play mostly, if not totally, with players from your own clan. I don't know about anyone else here, but the day i start setting a schedule for playing games and force myself to do so is the day i destroy my PC with a sledge hammer. I want to play games for fun, and i want to play them when i have time. Yeah Tie Guy... That's why I listed a huge bunch of clans who DONT require you to be regular and who WONT boot you for not playing. Missed the whole point. There are a huge variety of clan's to serve the variety of peoples wants. Is this a bad thing? Of course not, to say so is not rational but likely motivated by unrelated concerns. As for having to play with your clannies, that is not true but many clan peeps also use a smurf name on occasion for when they don't feel like talking to anyone (ZMs or otherwise) and just want a quick game or are likely to have to quit due to an expected visitor or the like. Nothing prevents you having several names on the Zone. If you don't wanna play on the Zone more than once a month, what the heck would be the point of joining a clan in the first place. IMO, you will have no use for clans whatsoever if you don't play online more often than once a week. Of course, you'll always be a complete rook and will have all the usual complaints about online playing (experts wreck my game by coming in, rushers are tards who wreck my game, people resign for no reason wrecking the game, people cheat and wreck the game, online is wrecked by all the people who gang up on poor me, blah blah blah...) but that is actually fun for some peeps so good for them. Many of you sound like rooks, and some of you should download some good player recorded games and watch to see the difference in intensity compared to rook games. The game is more fun and addictive the better you get. The reason is because it moves from the rook level where you have a few major fights late in the game and peeps resign the moment their 'base' (since rooks have one) cops a big blow, too inter games where there is more intenisty spread accross the game and peeps are less likely to resign when struck to expert games where the fighting starts in T2, gets incredibly intense and continues for the entire duration of the game as an all out war raging accross the entire map with very no real resigning, no guarantees, and many comebacks. All that said, clans aren't for everyone and there are some experts roaming about like ronin. On the whole, it is a fair statement to say that 95% of high inter/expert players are in clans and prolly 80% of inters. They aren't forced, but choose to do so because they actually like the benefits. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Straykker Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hehe, Crazy Dog, you and me, we will take em out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Knight Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Originally posted by krkode you didnt even put a smiley....dont mess with me.... that sounds like a threat krkode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavyarms Posted May 2, 2002 Author Share Posted May 2, 2002 me and CD have formed a coalition against you. Many of you sound like rooks. Hmm, that sounds a bit unfair...... Of course, you'll always be a complete rook and will have all the usual complaints about online playing (experts wreck my game by coming in, rushers are tards who wreck my game, people resign for no reason wrecking the game, people cheat and wreck the game, online is wrecked by all the people who gang up on poor me, blah blah blah...) IMO, you will have no use for clans whatsoever if you don't play online more often than once a week. don't you think that is a bit biased? I am good, but I don't play a lot of GB online. You don't think a person can't be good because they don't play online. You are wrong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tie Guy Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Originally posted by AU_Armageddon Yeah Tie Guy... That's why I listed a huge bunch of clans who DONT require you to be regular and who WONT boot you for not playing. Missed the whole point. There are a huge variety of clan's to serve the variety of peoples wants. Is this a bad thing? Of course not, to say so is not rational but likely motivated by unrelated concerns. As for having to play with your clannies, that is not true but many clan peeps also use a smurf name on occasion for when they don't feel like talking to anyone (ZMs or otherwise) and just want a quick game or are likely to have to quit due to an expected visitor or the like. Nothing prevents you having several names on the Zone. If you don't wanna play on the Zone more than once a month, what the heck would be the point of joining a clan in the first place. IMO, you will have no use for clans whatsoever if you don't play online more often than once a week. Of course, you'll always be a complete rook and will have all the usual complaints about online playing (experts wreck my game by coming in, rushers are tards who wreck my game, people resign for no reason wrecking the game, people cheat and wreck the game, online is wrecked by all the people who gang up on poor me, blah blah blah...) but that is actually fun for some peeps so good for them. Many of you sound like rooks, and some of you should download some good player recorded games and watch to see the difference in intensity compared to rook games. The game is more fun and addictive the better you get. The reason is because it moves from the rook level where you have a few major fights late in the game and peeps resign the moment their 'base' (since rooks have one) cops a big blow, too inter games where there is more intenisty spread accross the game and peeps are less likely to resign when struck to expert games where the fighting starts in T2, gets incredibly intense and continues for the entire duration of the game as an all out war raging accross the entire map with very no real resigning, no guarantees, and many comebacks. All that said, clans aren't for everyone and there are some experts roaming about like ronin. On the whole, it is a fair statement to say that 95% of high inter/expert players are in clans and prolly 80% of inters. They aren't forced, but choose to do so because they actually like the benefits. Think about it. I know what your saying, thats why i put that little paragraph in at the end of my comment. Some people like playing on a tight schedule, and alos like the benefits of always playing with the same people, but i certainly don't. I was merely telling ym side of the discussion, and it is obviously a side that is very far from yours. To tell the truth, i am a so called "rook." I'm not that great at GB or AOK, i'm really more of a C&C/RA player myself. However, clans don't only extend to RTSs. Just because you are in a clan, doesn't mean you are a bad player, as you implied they were, and just because you are in a clan, doesn't make you a good player automatically. Sure, clans do help some people get better, and that is one good thing about them. However, to look down on people and call them rooks and other things just because they are not in a clan is not only rude, but downright insulting. You have no idea how good or bad a person is unless you've played them, so please don't be so quick to look down from your self-imposed throne of AU and passs judgement on otehr players. Now, i have no doubt that you are an ecellent player, but that hardly gives you the right to say that otehrs are not. You did mention other clans that aren't as strict as when you play, but as soon as you join a clan you are forced to play. It may not be as tight as your clan, but it is still true. what if you decide that you want to take a short respite to another game? You'd get booted form most if not all clans if you took a two week break from playing. So, even if you aren't required to play on a certain day or a certain time, you are forced to play at some point, even if you don't want to. And I doubt any clan would let you stay if you stopped playing for longer periods of time, yet no game can be played for eternity, not even Everquest or GB. Does the clan then fall apart when people get tired of playing it? If so, what is the point of having a clan? Why not just play with your friends on a regular basis? Do you really need a name and a website for that? Which leads me to wonder, why do people form clans at all? Certainly you've explained that people won't quit on you and that you can play with better players, but couldn't you do that without a clan name. It seems to me that the purpose of a clan is to lord the fact over others. You get the feeling of superiority when you are the leader of a clan or part of a certain clan over another. Is this not the case. From your position on the inside it may not seem correct, but from my posistion it seems like the main reason, and indeed you seem to have proven so several times in this thread alone. You raise yourself up because you are in this clan, and you put others down because of the same, when it is really only your skill that counts, and you have never witnessed anyone's here besides heavyarms's. Don't take what i just said in the wrong way, i'm certainly not trying to insult you or your abilities, and you probably weren't thinking about what i said when you started your clan, but i've never seen a clan for any genre that hasn't become what i just described, whether they knew it or not. Now, one final thing. I obviously understand that people are free to come and go as they please, but i believe that it is more complicated than that. I myself, having never been in a clan, may not know about all this as much as others, but i think looking at Heavyarms gives a clear picture of it. He obviously didn't want to leave, even though he also didn't want to be forced to play, which he practically was. If he didn't want to do so, then why woudn't he just leave in the first place? Well, i'd say that he wanted that presitige of being in a big clan, or that he didn't want you to feel like he was betraying you. You might say he wanted the "benefits" of being in a clan, but i don't think that is the case, since he obviously wasn't taking advantage of them by playing. So, i think that adequately shows that being in a clan and leaving a clan isn't as easy as choosing what to have for breakfast. As far as i can see, there are consequences to leaving, or to being kicked out of a clan. People don't just join and quit for fun on the weekends, i'd say theres alot more to it than just saying its volluntary. FORCE LONG POST!!!! I guess that's a little more than 2 cents worth, especially on something i've had little part in. So, Armegeddon, say what you have to say and let that be the end of this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I remember my very first clan.....it was in TIE Corps...that was so cool, except I quit cause my inbox got flooded every day, and nobody used messege boards. I was in Theta Squadron....we didn't even do multiplayer (it was a TIE Fighter clan). That was fun...I miss some of those people in it. hehe I formed my own clan a while ago....RAU, Rogue Assassin Units. It consists of everyone in RSN who plays multiplayer star wars games...I'm probably the only one who actually plays, Redwing plays too, but that's usually when we're playing against eachother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Armageddon Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 lol, don't know how I got into this since I've well and truly learned long ago that when you want to be informative about something, best to put it in an articles and let the ones who are interested garner something from it, and the ignorant to blissfully ignore it. That way everyone's happy. I agree with the last four words of your post Tie Defender. Most of the rest of it is either personal opinion (which you're certainly entitled too), incorrect, or otherwise misguided. I address a couple points only: *I never said being in a clan makes you good but actually stated that there are infinite rook clans out there. Joining one of the 15 (or so) inter to expert clans will provide the option of increasing their improvement rate drastically if they want it to. *Clans don't neccessarily die after peeps stop playing a particular game, and ours will certainly just get larger as we move on. Many Clan's move from game to game as a group getting bigger all the time. I came across to SWGB from Age of Conquerers with several friends who joined my clan. The majority of my (now 40+ members) will also move to the SWGB x-pac together. This same majority will also be moving with the clan to Age of Mythology when it comes out in September. A number of us will also be setting up an AU guild in Never Winter Nights when it is released and roaming (murdering/pillaging/etc:)) as a group. *heh, you're right that I take a higher (even arrogant) stance when I argue points such as these. It is because I tire quickly of arguing about things I know inside out to people who have minimal (especially comparitively) knowledge or experience of the same point. It is funny to see people crack it at getting booted from rooms because they are unknown as they just don't (and apparently can't) understand that ALL the top players (a varying crowd of around 50) know ALL the other top players and anyone who isn't known, isn't good (and will subsequently wreck yet another game if allowed to stay). Yeah I can be arrogrant, but I know every aspect of this game (and its origins, and the xpac, and the zone) backwards. I am one of the top 10 players at this game, I lead the most active clan for this game, I run the most popular ladder for this game, and have written a library worth of articles for it. So yeah, when I stupidly (and at 3:30am) get suckered into a thread like this where a bunch of rooks are attacking and dismissing what I say as irrelevent without any actual ground of their own, I can end up taking a stance perhaps a wee right of the harsh side:rolleyes: nuff garbage from me;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavyarms Posted May 2, 2002 Author Share Posted May 2, 2002 before I go on, SHUT THE HELL UP ARMAGEDDON! How do you know that we are all rooks bla bla bla? Have you ever played any of us? And you act as if you have talked to all of us, spare me a few minutes of chat on the zone? I don't believe you have. So don't go around calling everyone a rook, because it may be one of us that beats you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 We are getting some very long posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Eheh. This has gone on long enough. I love it when soap operas end. I like it even better when I can end them myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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