Keyan Farlander Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Nute - I doubt you'd see Creationism taught in a Catholic school, beyond perhaps a reference or two. Anyway, here's another thing to think about. One nation under God Think about that a minute. Does that really sound like the United States of America? I would say absolutely not. There are something like 120 million Americans with no religion whatsoever. Oh, if you ask, they may say they are Christian, but these are the same people that vote in favor of euthanasia and abortion. They don't go to church, they don't pray, and they probably don't do anything else you would consider religious. Take the words out, leave them in - it doesn't matter; we are NOT one nation under God. And it goes beyond a simple lack of religion. This is a nation of every man for himself. This is a nation of people who do what the government says not because true authority comes from God and they wish to respect that or because it is for the common good, but because they will be fined or imprisoned if they are caught. This is a nation of people so full of pride and so devoid of humility that they are not even capable of even stopping to consider that there MIGHT ACTUALLY BE a God. We're not one nation under God. We might as well get used to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superthrawn Posted July 8, 2002 Author Share Posted July 8, 2002 Alright Zargon, get one thing straight. I am the biggest patriot you will ever find. And, I can be a liberal too. I'm in favor of burning the flag, I'm in favor of pornography on the web. Why? Because those are our fundamental freedoms as Americans. People are accusing me of being closeminded, but the truth is, I just see thing a different way than you. As for you foreign people, I don't have anything against Britain or Austrailia, that was a joke. As for the Hindus and Muslims: too bad. This nation was founded under the principle of a Judeo-Christian God, and that's the way it is. The fact that some people have had to take us away from that with their manipulation of the system is a sad thing. As for the schools, I'll just say this. In 2000, 8 billion dollars were unaccounted for in the education budget. They simply don't know where that money went. And you're telling me that public schooling is doing a good job? As for being a religious zealot? Fine with me. I'd rather be a zealot than you any day. "When they took the Ten Commandments, they killed our children: " The images still haunt me of students running out of Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. "When they took out the Pledge, they killed our patriotism: " You may not say the Pledge, but at least you have respect for the flag. "When they take out God, they'll kill the country: " I guarantee that when the name of God can no longer be said in the public schools, this country will fall within 10 years. No doubts. Oh, and I have to address the evolution issue. I'd meant to end on that point, but I just remembered this. The theory of Evolution cannot exist. It is simply not possible, by one simple law, that science itself discovered. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all matter and energy, by nature, will decay, not create new things. Look around guys, it's the truth. Finally, one more thing. Zargon, once again it seems I must rebutt a point that you so rudely made. You said that the majority of people agreed with the Anti-pledge decision. I would have to diasagree with that. Congress, the lawmakers, said the pledge the day after it happened. I have heard six different radio stations that have Pledge advertisements. Prior to the Pepsi 400 Saturday night in Daytona Beach, Florida, 250,000 NASCAR fans (that's more in one night than have been at the last three Super Bowls) stood and said that pledge in unison. Oh, and by the way, NASCAR is one of the most patriotic sports. All the time they sport American flag paintschemes. When you consider that it sports 75 million regular fans, the VAST majority of whom object to this decision, and an even larger majority in my home state, which carries 11 electoral votes, and you can't go anywhere in New York without seeing an American Flag these days, that's a majority in and of itself. Whichever way you look at it. Now who should be saying "I" and not "we"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 As for the Hindus and Muslims: too bad. OK. So you are willing to try to FORCE an American citizen to make an oath to a god they don't believe in in order to protect freedom in this country? If taking the words "under God" out of the pledge is a step closer to socialism in your eyes, then how would you classify that? To me forcing someone to betray thier core religious beliefs in favor for the beliefs chosen by the state isn't freedom at all, and is only practiced in Communist regimes and Theocracies like the Taliban. An alternative would be to close the nation's doors to all non-Christian outsiders, and/or to force conversion to Christianity on everyone who wants to be a citizen. That is not exactly freedom either. America was founded on principals that allow it to be a great and strong nation despite the fact that it's citizens may not worship in the same manner. Oh,.. and the fact that there are now many types of antibiotics that are completely ineffective against strains of bacteria that were once succeptable to those same antibiotics but have now become totally resistant is proof enough for me that evolution has been at work within my lifetime. Natural selection, using beneficial mutations to adapt and thrive in an otherwise harsh environment, and all that. Textbook example if you ask me. Evolution doesn't care if you believe in it or not,.. it just keeps on going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Originally posted by superthrawn Alright Zargon, get one thing straight. I am the biggest patriot you will ever find. And, I can be a liberal too. I'm in favor of burning the flag, I'm in favor of pornography on the web. Why? Because those are our fundamental freedoms as Americans. People are accusing me of being closeminded, but the truth is, I just see thing a different way than you. As for you foreign people, I don't have anything against Britain or Austrailia, that was a joke. As for the Hindus and Muslims: too bad. This nation was founded under the principle of a Judeo-Christian God, and that's the way it is. The fact that some people have had to take us away from that with their manipulation of the system is a sad thing. As for the schools, I'll just say this. In 2000, 8 billion dollars were unaccounted for in the education budget. They simply don't know where that money went. And you're telling me that public schooling is doing a good job? As for being a religious zealot? Fine with me. I'd rather be a zealot than you any day. I simply prefer to try and not live in a religous cave, but thats my opinion. "When they took the Ten Commandments, they killed our children: " The images still haunt me of students running out of Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. Thats rediculous and has nothing to do with that what so ever. "When they took out the Pledge, they killed our patriotism: " You may not say the Pledge, but at least you have respect for the flag. I say the pledge, I simply don't require it to have 'under god' in it. I love the pledge the allegiance and what it stands for. I simply have more respect for our flag. As for flag burning, yes, sadly its legal in all cases. I only dislike it when people burn it for no specific reason, mind yo uit should technically be burned if it touches the ground I believe. "When they take out God, they'll kill the country: " I guarantee that when the name of God can no longer be said in the public schools, this country will fall within 10 years. No doubts. Oh, and I have to address the evolution issue. I'd meant to end on that point, but I just remembered this. The theory of Evolution cannot exist. It is simply not possible, by one simple law, that science itself discovered. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all matter and energy, by nature, will decay, not create new things. Look around guys, it's the truth. I think edlib got that one for me........ Finally, one more thing. Zargon, once again it seems I must rebutt a point that you so rudely made. You said that the majority of people agreed with the Anti-pledge decision. I would have to diasagree with that. Congress, the lawmakers, said the pledge the day after it happened. I have heard six different radio stations that have Pledge advertisements. Prior to the Pepsi 400 Saturday night in Daytona Beach, Florida, 250,000 NASCAR fans (that's more in one night than have been at the last three Super Bowls) stood and said that pledge in unison. Oh, and by the way, NASCAR is one of the most patriotic sports(and most redneck by far, its not a sport, its driving in a CIRCLE. I also don't think drag racing is a spprt, CART and F1, yes, rally racing, oh god yes, but NASCAR, whatever) All the time they sport American flag paintschemes. When you consider that it sports 75 million regular fans, the VAST majority of whom object to this decision, and an even larger majority in my home state, which carries 11 electoral votes, and you can't go anywhere in New York without seeing an American Flag these days, that's a majority in and of itself. Whichever way you look at it. Now who should be saying "I" and not "we"? At first, no one seemed to care, then after a few days, popular opinion spoke and the masses agreed, OH MY GOD THAT NEVER HAPPENS!!!! PEOPLE CANNOT LARGELY CHANGE THEIR OPINION IN A MATTER OF DAYS!!!!! oh wait, people can do whatever the hell they want, after all, it is the United States. Now please, tell me one thing, how in the hell do 'pledge of allegiance' and 'american flag' become interchangable?!?!?! Yu cannot go anywhere without seeing an american flag, I helped put up ou new window banner at work, and OH MY GOD, its a huge american flag banner with our name on it!!! I don't recall ever caring whether 'under God' was in it or not. I said the pledge with about 25 thousand other people in my town in teh park right before the fireworks display on the 4th, then I sang the national anthem and saluted as they lowered both the American Flag and the POW MIA flag to half mast, for a moment of silence before they lowered and folded them. The pledge of allegiance was originally penned without 'Under God' in there, I was simply playing devil's advocate if I did say so. You can call this rudeness, i cann it dry humor, sarcasm, nd a bit of me being a jackass, but whatever you call it, its still you having a very skewed view of the world.(obviously in my 'skewed opinion') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 I think my posts in the thread alone take up more room than all of my posts so far this YEAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Thrawn, i haven't said the pledge in several years. teachers have tried, but i refused. why? not because i'm not patriotic... it's a waste of my time. Honetly, it's a waste of a good minute. in fact, why the hell do i even need to recite some pledge to prove that i'm loyal to this country, hmmm? my freedom, my choice. so really, this whole God thing in the pledge is really a big waste of everyones time, and i hope you all get over it. SECOND, mr. Religion, I, am ATHIEST. God has had no meaning or value in my life for several years. ohh, you're gonna damn me to hell, ohhhhhh.... wait, i'm ATHIEST, don't give a crap. in fact, my whole sect of friends are athiest, and i get the vibe that it's kinda starting to catch on, especially in the youth. Does this mean the country is screwed? nah, i think it's a rather refreshing change from teh hypocritical BS that teh Church spews out every so often. i mena, "Thou shalt no kill"? yeah, sure, more like "Thou shall try really really hard not to kill anybody, un less they believe in a different invisible man than me". You Christians are litterally, to conservative. it's the frickin' 21st century, and you're still in that 1950's mentality that the COMMUNITSTS ARE COMMING!! OHHH!!! Get back into the era we've all agreed to living in. 2002. And honestly, instead of ****ing around with this ****, why don't we try to do something more productive for teh species. Like a cure for AIDS, or Cancer, hell, Emphysema and Parkinson's disease still need cures, and so does Alhzhiemers. So much for God giving us cures, and so much for us finding them, because we're all to cought up in petty stupid differences. Doesn't that make you proud to be a human? I'm filled to the brim with joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Originally posted by superthrawn Oh, and I have to address the evolution issue. I'd meant to end on that point, but I just remembered this. The theory of Evolution cannot exist. It is simply not possible, by one simple law, that science itself discovered. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all matter and energy, by nature, will decay, not create new things. Look around guys, it's the truth. Don't embarrass yourself any further until you understand what the Second Law of Thermodynamics actually means. The way you have applied it here is not even close. Don't get me wrong, I'm no athiest, but we have to be correct in our usage of things if we're going to argue and not sound like we don't know what we're talking about. Although I have to admit, I don't know what Evolution has to do with anything in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 It had something to do with how the public school system is failing today's American students, I believe. By not teaching creationism in the schools in favor of evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Riiiiight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 Originally posted by Cmdr. Cracken COMMUNITSTS ARE COMMING!! OHHH!!! They are. You'll see. In a decade or less, China will start flexing its muscle that it certainly has. Like a cure for AIDS, or Cancer, hell, Emphysema and Parkinson's disease still need cures, and so does Alhzhiemers. Congrads, you've mentioned things they're starting to think are actually uncurable. Technology has to hit a wall at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Originally posted by Nute Gunray They are. You'll see. In a decade or less, China will start flexing its muscle that it certainly has. China? You still have to contend with the USSR which is still there. They never left. They just changed a flag and the ranking of their leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Originally posted by Taarkin Dictionary.com says: So atheism != religion, unless maybe if it is "pursued with a zeal or conscientious devotion", which usualy isn't. Oh come ON. By this logic, EVERY SINGLE TIME a government official or document does NOT MENTION GOD, he or it is IMPOSING ATHESIM ON YOU!!!. You have mentioned God and Christianity several times on this thread, so STOP IMPOSING YOUR BELIEFS ON MY CHILDREN! That's exactly what the ruling says. So I guess you agree with it after all. [/b] Homeschooling is only good if you're as smart as 6 high school teachers put together. [/b] I was homeschooled. I'll by taking the GED test soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Originally posted by Commander 598 China? You still have to contend with the USSR which is still there. They never left. They just changed a flag and the ranking of their leader. Wow, you have managed to contend with superthrawn for saying one of the most retarded things in this thread, good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 <off topic> Just a post to say hello from London and while I'm here I do not intend to spend my life on the computer, I prefer spending time with my niece whom I can't see that often so I should take advantage and have as much fun as I ca with the family over here...So you won't see me posting until the 12th of August. Cheers! </off topic> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Originally posted by Zargon Wow, you have managed to contend with superthrawn for saying one of the most retarded things in this thread, good job! Noting by your avatar your covering it. Either way we'll all know by 2015 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Originally posted by Commander 598 Noting by your avatar your covering it. Yes, my avatar means that I believe the USSR still exists.... WAIT NO! It means that I thought it looked cool as hell, the USSR no longer exists, its Russia and a lot of other ****ty ass countries. Russia has a crap military and cannot pay to fix anything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Russia has a crap military? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!! You just go on telling yourself that the second most powerful army in the world is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 army, so what? Our NAVY won a WW simulation, ON ITS OWN, without our other military branches. Its a very VERY far second place. They can't even outst rebels out of Checnyia(sp?)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 By 2006 russia's military wil lhave HALF the manpower we have, not to mention worse and outdated equipment.......man I am SHAKING in my boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 And we couldn't oust Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. We gave up and left it to the ARVN. They failed in less than half a year. Its Chechnya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Originally posted by Commander 598 And we couldn't oust Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. We gave up and left it to the ARVN. They We had terrible equipment and tactic's........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 They had are eqipment and used variations of our tactics. By 2006 russia's military wil lhave HALF the manpower we have, not to mention worse and outdated equipment.......man I am SHAKING in my boots If it had such little manpower why the hell did we worry about for the better part of 50 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Other than the fact that they were the only ones who had a good grasp on ICBMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 dude, you think just cuz they were big back then means 10 years later they are now, they are continually shrkining their armed forces, beucase they don't have th emoney to upkeep it. They DID have a firm grasp on ICBM's, they still SORTA do, as does every ****ing loony in the world now thanks to them......and they are our ALLY NOW............do you read the news often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 th emoney to upkeep it Then how are they rolling a new MBT off the factory line every five years? T80, T90, Chiorny Oriol (Black Eagle)(T94?)? dude, you think just cuz they were big back then means 10 years later they are now, they are continually shrkining their armed forces Well seeing as how you lack substantial evidence that they are shrinking, i'll ignore that message. do you read the news often? CNN Headline News, EVERY DAY. and they are our ALLY NOW So was Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded. So was China in WWII. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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