Pada-Wan Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I was thinking bout this but in the SW movies hate is used even by good jedi. dont jedi have to control their emotions? Luke was going mad at the end of ROTJ Obi-Wan seemed to sorta lose it at the end of the PM againt maul Vadar was right, only Luke's hatered could destory Vadar. The only jedis that fought under controlled emotion were obi-wan in epi 2, qui-gon in ep 1, obi-wan in ep 4, luke in ep 5, and guess what.....ALL of them were losers/died when they had their emotions under control. So what do yall think? ps.forgot yoda in epi 2 :-\ well yoda is in a class by himself! and mace windu wasnt really fighting anyone in a duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 And Anakin made beef jerky out of a whole camp of Tusken Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted July 17, 2002 Author Share Posted July 17, 2002 I know, but that was a slaughter, not a duel with another jedi/sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I believe Luke was going nuts at the end of ROTJ because he was walling to the dark side. After he cut off his dad's hand he realized what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthbong Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 What happens is they start to tap into the dark side, BUT always calm themselves before winning, in ROTJ lukes stops himself (like NerfYoda said ), and the starwars.com databank says (in regard to obi-wan in ep1) Maul killed Qui-Gon with a well-placed saber strike. Kenobi, enraged, attacked Maul. This barrage was deflected by Maul who used Obi-Wan's touching of the dark side as a conduit for a Force attack; using the Force, Maul pushed Obi-Wan into a deep mining pit. Kenobi held onto an outcropping for dear life. Calming himself by calling upon the light side of the Force, Kenobi was able to surprise Maul, and cleave him in half with his saber. see its the light side that causes them to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 lets discuss about the deeper meaning of it......... man, it just means how close the light and dark side are to eich other, so that you really have to learn to control it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrKASperov Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I think the reason all those light using jedi lost was just because their saberskills sucked compared to the darksiders... If they just trained more, they would be better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Jedis are not trained in batteling against other skilled in jedi arts. After all, they thougth the siths were gone for good for a thousand years, so why should they train to beat them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 That's why I thought it was cool that they came up with "Dark Rage" for JK2. It's the whole "using your anger" against your enemy... hate making you powerful. Granted, it's only with Dark Jedi, but you get the idea. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Everyone knows that the more angry you get during a fight, the less likely you are to win. This is why boxers etc use psychological warfare before a fight. The calmer you are, the more in control of your actions you are and less likely to make a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanch Saode Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Regarding Anakin, you can't compare his slaugther of the cmap with the duel victories of Obi and Luke....Anakin was first and foremost only a Padawan...secondly, he was pretty old when he started his training, so he had been influenced by alot of other feelings....that in the end made him go "nuts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Originally posted by lexx Everyone knows that the more angry you get during a fight, the less likely you are to win. This is why boxers etc use psychological warfare before a fight. The calmer you are, the more in control of your actions you are and less likely to make a mistake. i dont think thats entirely true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem i dont think thats entirely true explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Originally posted by lexx explain cant really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-wa jodar Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 did anyone notice in episode II when obi-wan drove his saber into that beast, it looked like he actually enjoyed it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem cant really hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Originally posted by lexx hmmm its complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greedo626 Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 when people get upset they make mistakes. it's in Max Payne. I think what lexx said is true. it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem its complicated Are you saying you cannot express your thoughts into words? I would have thought you would have developed the skills required for intellectual conversation by now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by greedo626 when people get upset they make mistakes. it's in Max Payne. I think what lexx said is true. it makes sense. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by lexx Are you saying you cannot express your thoughts into words? I would have thought you would have developed the skills required for intellectual conversation by now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 There is a difference between hate and enthusiasm. At the end of RotJ i think Luke was very enthusiastic...and after a while he refused to fight anymore so it couldnt be a lot of hatred in his fighting. Obi-Wan in TPM was fighting out of despare and hatred. Despare at losing his friend and hatred of Maul so i suppose he was using hatred a bit! - who could blame him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharaFett Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 i'm glad someone put up this thread- i've been thinking about this for a while. why is it that a jedi cannot defeat a sith using the light side? well, i have given this much thought. they tap into the dark side because they arent that well tuned into the force. luke, anakin, and obiwan were not experienced jedi. and as yoda says, the dark side is easier to tap in. the dark side will give you great powers- but only for a limited time (as long as you're enraged). but this power eventually breaks you down. a jedi that's fully in tune with the force, imo, doesnt need to tap into the dark side to defeat a sith. the point of being on the light side isnt to be able to tap safelly into the dark side once or twice. for example, YODA. what more do i have to say? he's the ideal jedi. do you see him tapping into the dark side? and quigon does not tap into the dark side when he fights. keep in mind, he was around 50-60 years of age in tmp. when he was younger, he was considered to be the best with the saber. but he didnt tap into the dark side, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Ok, first of all, I would like to say, Fighting really fast to win is not hate. Gritting your teeth is not hate, and being powerful is not hate. Obi-wan watched his friend and mentor die. He got a mean look on his face. the look said "Ok, I'll get you for that one." What else would you expect? Did you want Obi-wan to say "It's ok. I don't really care that you just put a hole in my pal." As for Luke, He was fighting because he had to defend himself. Sure, he went crazy on Vader in the end, but he cought himself and stopped. I don't think it was hate that was fueling him though. I think that the Love for his father, and the Light-side he felt in him was what fueled Luke. Luke got so desperate to save his father, he decided to show Vader what the dark side can do to a man, and make him see himself as for who he really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by Pada-Wan I was thinking bout this but in the SW movies hate is used even by good jedi. dont jedi have to control their emotions? Luke was going mad at the end of ROTJ Obi-Wan seemed to sorta lose it at the end of the PM againt maul Vadar was right, only Luke's hatered could destory Vadar. The only jedis that fought under controlled emotion were obi-wan in epi 2, qui-gon in ep 1, obi-wan in ep 4, luke in ep 5, and guess what.....ALL of them were losers/died when they had their emotions under control. So what do yall think? ps.forgot yoda in epi 2 :-\ well yoda is in a class by himself! and mace windu wasnt really fighting anyone in a duel. i can agree with most of that, but not luke being under controlled emotions in ep5, sorry but theres no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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