Abortion - yay or nay?

[mswanmmiv]

Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider

And dispite what people have it for it is ment for reproducing.

 

Tell me, where in the Bible is it said that it is only for reproduction?

[TheWhiteRaider]

Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S

I think what a women decides to do with her body (including the baby, which is part of her body until birth) is her own business. When all these pro-lifers say that they will adopt the babies that will otherwise be aborted, I'll sing a different tune. I don't see any Christian pro-lifers lining up to adopt HIV or drug-addicted babies that would've been aborted. They don't want to help, they just don't want the babies to die.

 

And 3rd trimester (7-9 months) abortions are TOTALLY illegal in the USA, so I'm not sure where you got that 10-15,000 number, WhiteRaider. If they do happen, they're illegal and the offenders would be prosecuted just like any other crime.

 

Illegal you say? Drugs are Illegal, but how many O.D.s still happen? How many people still die from them? It is more like 12 million for 1-4 month abortion. So those numbers aren't radical. Other countrys it is perfectly legal though.

[TheWhiteRaider]

Originally posted by mswanmmiv

 

Tell me, where in the Bible is it said that it is only for reproduction?

 

Where does it say that it is only for pleasure? We can go on for hours, but either way you put it a baby is made by it. That is my point.

 

When all these pro-lifers say that they will adopt the babies that will otherwise be aborted,

 

I did not say that I would. There are people out there that try to adopt babys. And lately it has been harder and harder to find babys to adopt(I wonder why). So just because we don't take them doesn't everyone will not. And there are some Pro-life people that can't have their own babys so they adopt.

[TheWhiteRaider]

It can't think because it doesn't have a brain, nor a nervous system.

 

I didn't see this post before.

 

It gets a nervous system at 9 weeks. Most abortion happen after this time. The brain is the first thing to form in it at 4-6 weeks.

[Eldritch]

Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider

I did not say that I would. There are people out there that try to adopt babys. And lately it has been harder and harder to find babys to adopt(I wonder why). So just because we don't take them doesn't everyone will not. And there are some Pro-life people that can't have their own babys so they adopt.

 

I know for a fact that's bullsh*t. My sister is a social worker and she knows how many babies need adoption. It's absolutely not gotten "harder and harder" to find babies to adopt. Next time check your facts before you try and argue.

 

And as an extra note to you : Your opinion or what you think does NOT count as a fact, no matter how much you want it to. There are plenty of babies suffering because no one wants to adopt them. Just because they're all not healthy WHITE babies you can't say there's a shortage of adoptable babies. You're extremely uneducated in the matter, so shut your mouth - you're just making yourself look silly.

[Weapon X]

ya know, don't flame me or nothin, i haven't read all of the posts on this thread, but from what i did, you all hate abortion, i don't care, it's the woman who has to deal with that decision, and i'm sure whatever they choose they are torn apart in the process, what if they want to have kids, just not yet? just cuz a woman has sex doesn't mean they should be required to give birth to a child that developes in 9 months, at the stage when they kill the fetus, it is just cells that's all, it doesn't feel pain, it doesn't know what life is, it has no way of knowing what anything is, it doesn't know what it's missing, so it's even less than killing an animal, all of you who eat cows, why is it wrong to kill cells instead of something that knows what life is? a cow knows what life is more than a new fetus, so what do you say about that? you have no problem killing insects or other animals, then why do you have a problem with killing something less developed than a plant? it makes no sense to me, any smart woman that gets raped would have a rape kit done, you should all know what that means, since most of you are older than 16 and I know what it is, and then if two people really love each other, let's say they're married, and they aren't ready for kids yet cuz they're both going through school, should their child live in a house where the dad has to work so much more cuz they had no built-up money? and the mom can't get a job cuz she had a kid too early in life? or should their child be entitled to what the parents are fully capable of? where both parents have degrees and saved up money, and better jobs than what they would've had, killing someone who is already alive and has been for even an hour is TOTALLY, COMPLETELY, AND UTTERLY different than killing a 2 week old fetus or even a 6 month old fetus, why the mother would wait that long is beyond me, but it happens, abortions are not wrong, it's not as bad as killing an insect, cuz the insect at least knows what life is, the fetus is just a bunch of cells replicating and trying to form a human life, just cuz it will one day be a human being you think it's wrong, but you don't care whether an animal, insect or plant dies, you people disgust me, cuz you only look at our species, but when you think about it killing a fetus isn't anywhere near as bad as shooting any kind of animal that has been alive if for only 2 weeks

[TheWhiteRaider]

Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S

 

I know for a fact that's bullsh*t. My sister is a social worker and she knows how many babies need adoption. It's absolutely not gotten "harder and harder" to find babies to adopt. Next time check your facts before you try and argue.

 

And as an extra note to you : Your opinion or what you think does NOT count as a fact, no matter how much you want it to. There are plenty of babies suffering because no one wants to adopt them. Just because they're all not healthy WHITE babies you can't say there's a shortage of adoptable babies. You're extremely uneducated in the matter, so shut your mouth - you're just making yourself look silly.

 

Social worker in what state? And your failure to be informed doesn't make me stupid or uneducated. The same works the other way. And I do not only say it is true because of what I believe. I have heard alot of this from the mouth of respected doctors.

[NerfYoda]

Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider

Do any of you know how the way they kill babys?

 

Here. Ones in bold are how far into the carrage. Ones in Italic are the methods.

 

<snip various abortion methods>

 

Don't you think that's a little sensational? How else would you get an unwanted fetus out of someones uterus? I don't think asking nicely would work.

[Woodrodius]

I haven't read all the posts, but I am confused at the title. Abortion, Yay or nay? It's a common misconception, that all pro-choicers are pro-abortion. Indeed, Pro-Abortion would literally mean that you believe all women should get an abortion regardless of what they think. But the fact of the matter is, Pro-Choice simply means that you think a women or whomever, should be able to formulate their own opinions on the subject. So for example, you could be a nun, and think that abortions are horrible and immoral, and yet still be pro-choice in that you cherish being able to come to your own conclusions about abortion, and think that others deserve the same oppurtunity. Ironically, Pro-Lifers opinion, is that you shouldn't have one. I find it hipocritical, that they use the same power given to them, which allows human beings to think abstractly and formulate opinions, and try take that power away from others. Absolute nonsense. Rant and rave on the sidewalks about baby murder all you like, you have that right. But keep your laws off other womens bodies.

[TheWhiteRaider]

Originally posted by NerfYoda

 

Don't you think that's a little sensational? How else would you get an unwanted fetus out of someones uterus? I don't think asking nicely would work.

 

You could always try it never hurts to ask. J/K

 

I know it. Just seems awful.

 

Here is something else. It is harmful to the mother. The chemicals in the body that gets a mother ready to feed, care for, ect. the baby of course don't know what to do when the baby is not there any more. So they just stay put, move, or leave the system. You know how women go through mood swings during carrages right? Sometimes it will mess up the system up there if the baby is gone. Also some of these can cause cancer. The later someone waits to worse off they are going to be. Unless they go through all the way untill the baby is out.

 

Also a woman only has so many eggs(they have them from birth). So if she did want a child later she is messing up here chances everytime she has a abortions.

[Woodrodius]

I do not smoke. Smoking causes cancer. I tell my friends they shouldn't smoke. Smoking is disgusting. Am I glad I have the right to smoke? Yes. See where I'm going with this?

[Elijah]

Originally posted by Woodrodius

I do not smoke. Smoking causes cancer. I tell my friends they shouldn't smoke. Smoking is disgusting. Am I glad I have the right to smoke? Yes. See where I'm going with this?

 

Frankly your making yourself look rather foolish... When smoking you are dangering yourself (sometimes others)

Abortion you KILL the baby and endanger yourself... see where I’m going with this?

[Woodrodius]

I suppose it all depends on your definition of murder Zdawg. For example, If I jerk off, and shoot my load all over the floor, or my bed sheet, or whatever happens to be within range, I forfeit all chances for those sperms to become children. When a woman has her period, she is doing the same thing. When you use a contraceptive, again. Where's the cut-off point? Children don't learn abstract thought till the age of 5. If you shot a child of 3 in the stomach, and it was bleeding to death, it wouldn't know it was dying, or what death is. Now of course, that would be very wrong IMO because it's outside of the womb. But when it's inside there, it's not aware. Where do you draw the line?

[Elijah]

When the sperm and the egg mix it becomes a human the moment it is fertilized. It’s that simple really.

 

IMO... I’m not telling you to agree with me, I’m just giving my opinion.

[NerfYoda]

I draw the line at the point of birth still. It's not alive until its out. Up until then its just a bunch of organic matter that has the potential to be alive.

[Woodrodius]

More power to you Nerfyoda. And I understand what you were getting at Z, just get a little miffed when someone calls me foolish when I'm attemping to express myself. Courtesy, courtesty, courtesy.

[Surfnshannon]

Hey there- thought I'd put in my two cents on this debate.

 

Until you placed in the position of having to decide whether or not to abort - you really can't judge or know how you would react. Abortion is a VERY hard choice, and not to be made lightly. I think both the man and the woman should both take mutual part in the decision unless the circumstances are such that one or the other does not want to abort. I think there are too many people out there that make the decision lightly - and I think these people should be sterilized but for those that are put in the position where this is the seeming only option for them - then they should be given the choice. I think though there should be like some sort of limit. Like you get one screw up and thats it.