C'jais Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 What are your thought on this? Did God create the world? Did He spark the Big Bang? Did He start with Adam and Eve? Did He have nothing to do with it at all? Me, I'm leaning towards the "real science" theory - aka Atheism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 right now, im completely confused religion-wise...im just gona see what happens. But im leaning towards darwinism, i also like to joke around about it too....for example i use the phrase "owned by darwinism" a lot...im not going to get into detalil though...im sure it get bashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Posted by cjais Me, I'm leaning towards the "real science" theory - aka Atheism. Liberalism abounds in Europe, or so it seems ^_^ I'm glad I live here ^_^ Now just to speed up Mr Giscard's plans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 9, 2002 Author Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by yadu im taking this one on faith! Why? Because the Bible told you so? How do you explain the dinosaurs? Carbon-14 tests have been run on some geological/palaeolithic materials dating back way before God created the world. Or, did you mean that God created the Big Bang, and thereafter let things evolve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by cjais Why? Because the Bible told you so? How do you explain the dinosaurs? Carbon-14 tests have been run on some geological/palaeolithic materials dating back way before God created the world. Or, did you mean that God created the Big Bang, and thereafter let things evolve? First I do not believe that God made the world only because the bible says so. Carbon-14 dating is not accurate. Why you ask? First you do not know how much Carbon a object started with thing could happen to change the carbon-14 to carbon-12 faster. All tests were base on the world being millions of years old and that the rate of decay has been the same. So you are uses evolution to prove how old the world is and then useing that to prove evolution??? I think that sounds like a circle don't you? Dinosaurs There is nothing to say that they couldn't fit into a biblical view. Math Mathmatics is disproving evolution every time. To get a man from a ape by slow change is 3.56X 102304956 then you need of course a male and female to continue the the line so double that number. Oh but then you need a big enough gene pool. So you need about 8 males and 8 females to continue the line. Now add the olds for getting 8 males and 8 female. And then multiply that by the number of animals on the earth. Genetics About 99.9% of mutations are harmful or useless to the animimal that has them. Also the animals are steral so they can't reproduce. Age of the Earth There is no way anyone can prove how old the earth is as if man wasn't around 2,000,000 years ago how would you know how much Carbon-14s there are in a rock? Life from a pool of goo. How is it we get life from a non-living pool? How did the pool get there in the first place? Have vans reporduced living mini-vans? And also the pool would create left-handed(Toxic) molcules and right-handed(Needed for life). Complexity Why is it all thing work so well? Why does your computer work? Why do you work? Why is it that you stay on the ground? And how could this come about by chance. Why aren't boeing 747s being put together in junk yards all the time if we got this complexity by chance? Evolution If things evolve why aren't they evolveing today still? Why can't we find missing links? So when you tell me that this is science. I think you are mistaken. It is just a theory that is being disproven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 9, 2002 Author Share Posted November 9, 2002 Hmmm... Anyone else want to comment on this subject? So far (), this thread has only seen people who are pro Darwin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Look at my post. I have. *Points at prev post* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 darwin, the creation was must a load of old cobbler sthat the priests came up with to explain what was inexplicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by Jah Warrior darwin, the creation was must a load of old cobbler sthat the priests came up with to explain what was inexplicable. And maby Darwinism was just something that Darwin came up with to mislead the world. See I can say the same about your stuff too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Ok, the carbon testing is totally incorrect, when something is soaked in water for a long period of time the carbon dating becomes useless Almost EVERY Religion/civilization has a story of a great flood that flooded the earth... how could you ignore a something like that? Darwin... The man SAID on his death bed that everything he said was pure speculation and was NOT TRUE, the stories by him where published by his wife and soon who got a hold of some fictional stories he made... they where not true and have absolutely no evidence to back them up On the subject of us being related to monkeys consider this: We have some 86(or so) genes related to the monkey... 150 to the rat... 200 to the banana... and some 400 to the mushroom So... you think the most possible thing we *evolved* from was a monkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Also did you know when St. Hellens blew here that the magma(edit: I should say lava because it was out side of the earth) caused all the trees to show a much older C-14 dating. And even the one year old trees were showing 1000 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Logic and reason is the way to go. Real science is truth. I stay out of both Creation and Darwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by JediNyt Logic and reason is the way to go. Science is truth. I rest my case. Base you life on Science and you will be disappointed. I Guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg Base you life on Science and you will be disappointed. I Guarantee it. Not true. I use science and logic to prove my religion. and it works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider Not true. I use science and logic to prove my religion. and it works too. What is your religion may I ask? And yes. Science is only correct about 50% of the time... and it’s from logic. I'm saying: do not base your ENTIRE life on it... many points of science are correct and I applaud the people who do what they do… when it’s something worth doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dissapointed? Not really. When I die I cease to exist. Oh well thats what happens to everyone. So lets enjoy our lives as much as we can. If I had it my way Id be immortal. But I probably wont get that chance. Id like to believe the Force existed, but it doesnt. Were all in the same boat. I was very religious at one time. But I was never happy. There was never a good answer. Ya I did the sing to God and raise your hands ****. I thought I was happy, or was supposed to be happy. But I wasnt. I feel better now that Im athiest. Things are explained better now. Less worries. More logic. There still are questions of the universe and there always will be for us. Im still openminded. Its a huge thing. We dont know how far it goes, or if there more than one. But I dont really think too much about that. One galaxy is big enough for me. Logic and reason. But you dont have to agree. I respect you still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg What is your religion may I ask? And yes. Science is only correct about 50% of the time... and it’s from logic. I'm saying: do not base your ENTIRE life on it... many points of science are correct and I applaud the people who do what they do… when it’s something worth doing Christianity. True Science is correct all the time, but somethings are loosely called or shouldn't be called science. I don't live only on my feeling. I don't live only on my logic. I don't live only on my believes. I live on a combined structure. Because religion benifits from true logic and true logic from belief. Anyways lets get back on subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by JediNyt When I die I cease to exist. In the end you will find out you where wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Originally posted by ZDawg In the end you will find out you where wrong. I can agree to that. I find it better to have something to believe in that to go about the earth in pain even if my belief isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Look if God wanted everyone to believe in "him" why not let everyone know "he" exists? Give everyone the chance to believe. Let them know. If they know then maybe theyll belive. If theres no proof then dont be surprised people are sceptical. If God is all knowing and all powerful, let us know! What about some of those Bhuddist monks who are very peaceful and caring? "Respect all living things." they say. Well too bad they dont believe in God so theyre going to hell. As I said Im not all for Darwin either. His theory is full of holes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Evolution Darwinism IS correct we evolved from monkeys we share 99.9% of our genes with them (not 86 whoever said that) we share about 80 or 90% with a banana btw. this all came from proteins which were floating about and happened to make some single cell organisms (im not entirely sure how this works .... im only 17 FFS) to the person who says we stopped evolving .... WE HAVENT ... on average we are alot taller than people in the 17th 18th and 19th centuries (and all the others 2) we KNOW this ... this is us evolving its not a quick process. Proof of evolution Bacteria ... viruses the like .... they procreate so quickly they have many generations in a day ... this enables them to evolve in a matter of months ... they evolve to be resistant to drugs. Big Bang Right ... we know this happened ... we can see it we can prove that the universe is expanding from a single point. ask me if u want me to explain how its a bit long winded and my fingers are falling off Before the big bang there is room for argument .... this is the only point i could conceed that a god could exist if u believe in a god thats ok ... u may be right ... but i cant go with that ... religion requires me to believe blindly ... science provides me with proof and talks me thru it till it makes sense i know which 1 i go with edit: science (or logic) also explains the origin of religion humans do not like the idea that they have no real purpose ... that when they die ... they cease to exist. Also alot of people think "why am i here". religion provides answers to these problems but now science has come along (it takes time to develop stuff) and is providing us with evidence and proof which added to a little logic gives us the answers. its the natural succesor to religion (dont flame me for that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CagedCrado Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 I say go with whatever makes you happy, and if you are atheist and must defend yourself from people that have no obvious backing and start flaming, maybe deep down some part of you does believe. The same goes for you supposed non atheist who choose to defend yourselves, i learned the hard way how to choose your fights on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 crado i feel ur comment is aimed at me i will point out that this is one of few arguments i feel strongly enuff about to neva avoid im not trying to convert people or anything ... i can see how religion works .... it just dont work for me ... it dont make me happy ... it leaves me wanting more ... wanting explanation ... im a scientist what can i say im not flaming or nething i just think i should at least give a reason and ive met all the arguments be4 so i thought id roll it into 1 post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiRtY $oUtH™ Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 I can't wait till all you atheists are facing judgement day...where will your precious science be then? We shall see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 that i take as a threat/flame/insult i dont knock your religion ... dont knock mine (science is a religion .... cept this 1 comes with and owners manual that has proofs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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