ET Warrior Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Dooku didn't really drop his saber on obi wan very slowly, he held it up for a bit, to dramatize it, because at heart dooku seems to cherish an older, more dramatic style of fighting, so he wanted his coupe de grace to be very dramatic and have obiwan KNOW that he was done and going to die. Once he started the down swing he swung quickly. I dont think Dooku has any intention of betraying sidious for the jedi. He did after all order the massacre of nearly 200 of them on geonosis, and were it not for the republic troops they all would have been dead. And I think that Dooku's purpose was to cause the jedi to mistrust the senate, and eventually bring the entire republic against them, just as jedi_monk said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 you may notice i never said Dooku would betray sidious to the jedi, i only said he may betray sidious in general. i dont think he likes the jedi order at all, i mean he left them and considers himself better then the whole stinkin temple! i think that Dooku wants the whole galaxy, and while sidious is playing off the seperatists against the republic Dooku is playing off the jedi against the droids and Sidious. Dooku is greedy and he thinks he can have it all.............. too bad we know he doesnt get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ferretus Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Hey man, I think youre so wrong. Any way, WHO CARES! Darth Tyrannus is a Sith, so that's that. SNIFF MY SKIDS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ferretus Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Hell o JEDI DIE!!!! DIE LUKE SKYWALKER!!! PS. WHAT IS THE POINT IN BUILDING A BIG TUNNEL TO THE CORE OF THE DEATH STAR, JUST SO IT CAN BE DESTROYED AGAIN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ferretus Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Hell o JEDI DIE!!!! DIE LUKE SKYWALKER!!! PS. WHAT IS THE POINT IN BUILDING A BIG TUNNEL TO THE CORE OF THE DEATH STAR, JUST SO IT CAN BE DESTROYED AGAIN!!! :deathstar :deathii: SNIFF CHEWBACCA'S FURRY BEHIND!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Three posts in one thread and none of them amount to any tangible sense of worth. I got my eye on you now buddy. Consider this your first warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Talliusc this is actually very funny. i made a thread on this topic a while back at the swamp and got nothing but flames in return. so i shut my mouth. i agree with your theory completely and i ahve some evidence to add first: dooku couldve chopped anakin quite easily when yoda walked in but he didnt, he turned and started talking. now dooku;s not an idiot he couldve finished anakin right there and pissed yoda off, this wouldve disrupted yoda's concentration and allowed dooku to do better in the fight. second: when dooku takes down the pillar to crush obi/anakin he couldve easily attacked yoda onc e more but hes content to let everybody live... why? when he couldve killed them all... or at least 1 of em. third: what could he gain from that sales pitch to obi-wan? his aid in destroying the sith and thats it. if obi-wan agreed then we wouldnt have to worry bout sid imo. but if dooku knew he'd be turned and down and was acting from pure evil then what could he gain? i cant see anything. that scene reminds me of ep5 when vader offers to help luke kill the emperor and then rule the galaxy. he was serious then and dooku was serious in ep2. dooku gave obi-wan the chacne to back down and let him leave geonosis but he was pushed into fighting. he couldnt really help it. he played quite defensively trying to incapacitate the jedi so he could leave. we all know that tyranus hired jango ten years before ep2. which was the time of ep1 and the resurgence of the sith into the known galaxy. we know that dooku can take pretty much any jedi. i mean he handed anakin AND obi-wan their asses and still had enough fight left to beat yoda. sure he didnt kill yoda but he got what he wanted. if the best of the jedi cant take Dooku then who will? simple only a dark lord of the sith could do that. imo it will be either sid who kills him or more likely anakin when hes goin darkside. Sidious wants Anakin to be his right hand, hes simply got more potential then Dooku does. but you cant have 2 apprentices thats the sith rule only 2 shall there ever be. so sid needs to be rid of Dooku to take Anakin under his wing. (damn, I hate it when people are saying exactly what I was going to say;) ) However, you forgot some, when the Jedi are fighting a losing battle against the battle droids on the arena, Dooku stops the battle droids and give the Jedi a chance to surrender. Also, if Dooku wanted Padme, Anakin and Obi-Wan dead right away, why did he want to "execute" them, giving them a chance to escape? I mean, any Jedi would be able to handle an oversized bug, even without lightsaber. You can't deny the fact that Dooku still have some good in him, even though he is a sith padawan. He used to be one of the greatest Jedi in the galaxy (after all, he trained Qui-Gon;) ), and it is unlikely that one such shall turn completely dark. Just take a look at all the other famous movie siths. Darth Sidious supposedly found out about the force and the dark side on his own, Darth Maul was never trained as a Jedi, only as a Sith, also we don't even know if Anakin even was a Jedi before he became sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 However, you forgot some, when the Jedi are fighting a losing battle against the battle droids on the arena, Dooku stops the battle droids and give the Jedi a chance to surrender. Think about it this way: What if the Jedi had surrendered? What would the reaction have been on Coruscant? They would be traitors to the Republic, and they were the leaders of the Jedi, the brightest and the best. Their surrendering would have given an excuse for the Jedi purge to begin immediately! Also, if Dooku wanted Padme, Anakin and Obi-Wan dead right away, why did he want to "execute" them, giving them a chance to escape? I mean, any Jedi would be able to handle an oversized bug, even without lightsaber. Wasn't that just the way they executed people on Geonosis? The Geonosians were, for the most part, a slave race under their ruling caste... the executions in the arena were their bread and circuses, just like in ancient Rome. Remember, Dooku had all those droids as back up incase the creatures couldn't do the job. Besides, he was also partially using Padme, Obi-Wan and Anakin as bait for the Jedi and the Clone Army so that the war could begin, and dead bait doesn't work as well as live bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk Wasn't that just the way they executed people on Geonosis? The Geonosians were, for the most part, a slave race under their ruling caste... the executions in the arena were their bread and circuses, just like in ancient Rome. Remember, Dooku had all those droids as back up incase the creatures couldn't do the job. Besides, he was also partially using Padme, Obi-Wan and Anakin as bait for the Jedi and the Clone Army so that the war could begin, and dead bait doesn't work as well as live bait. It was important for Dooku to get them dead, especially Padme, if he had asked Jango to shoot them right away, he would, and they would be dead, Dokku would have had 3 preblems less, and since the Jedi din't know they were dead, they might still have shown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 I dont think Dooku would care if they died or not. What was important to him was getting the war started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted November 28, 2002 Author Share Posted November 28, 2002 Let me just say one thing, thanks guys for keeping this an interesting thread and posting interesting opinions that are staying on topic That said, let me make something about my theory clear. At this point Dooku has no intention of betraying Sidious. I'm not sure why, there are a number of things that could happen. He could decide that the situation was getting far out of hand. He could realize that Sidious was more corrupt then he had currently realized, who knows? My point is that LATER, he will betray him. Right now he has no intention of doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaBlade Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 I agree with Dragonlancer, I think Dooku is pretty setadfast to the dark side at this point in time. I also think that Dooku had no real intention of killing either Anikan or Obi, Sideous had a plan for all of them. Dooku knew that Aniken wouldn't let his master die, and it also instilled some rage in him, which is what Sideous wants. Just my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 He put Ani out of commission and was gonna kill Obi. He didnt know Ani would jump in just in time. Its obvious. Like I said he didnt care if they died or not. But Obi tried to stop him so he was gonna kill him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 I also think that Dooku had no real intention of killing either Anikan or Obi, Sideous had a plan for all of them. Dooku knew that Aniken wouldn't let his master die, and it also instilled some rage in him, which is what Sideous wants. Err.....if he had known that Sidious' plan was to throw him away to replace him for some spoiled Jedi padawan, he would defidently have killed Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 I seroiusly doubt that Dooku isn't fully commited to the Sith. The Sith are manipulators and deceivers. No exceptions. Keep in mind there are time constraints, so Dooku explaining why he turned on Sidious would chew up a few too many minutes. Completely unnecessary for a betrayal in the movie, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Okay, heres wuts probably gonna happen cuz its so obvious that Geoge Lucas is gonna screw it up by doin it... Anakin and Padme' are married, blah blah blah. Dooku is sent to kill Padame'. He does while Annie watches. Annie gets mad, kills Dooku, then goes on a psychotic rampage tryin to find Sidious, but when he does, Sidious turns him Darkside and Annie purges the Jedi *Mace Windu dies first cuz the black guy always dies first*. Then when he gets to ObiWan, they fight and its all ooooo and ahhhhhh, whatever, before ObiWan wins. And one more thing, does anyone notice how in Episode 2, the fight between Anakin and Dooku is alot like in Empire when Luke faught Vader? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaJango Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 QUOTES: Yoda: The Darkside clouds everything. Yoda: Joined the darkside, Dooku has. Deception are his ways now. So in my opinion, Dooku was tempting Obi Wan into a lie. Did you see the deleted sceens where Dooku was tempting Padme as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wüstenfuchs Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 nononononono please...come on...you are forgetting the TRUE NATURE of the sith...they deceive, they betray, they lie. DARTH TYRANUS isn't different. And in the will to convert jedi, they sometimes abandon possible killing instincts. Remember The Empire Strikes Back? Vader didn't kill Luke, even when he could, willing to convert his son to the dark side. Sith are interested into show their superiority to the Jedi. Some ,even being learners, can do that by killing Jedi masters; some can use verbal strategies. Count Dooku is the second one. A damn good one, let's admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by MydnightPsion Anakin and Padme' are married, blah blah blah. Dooku is sent to kill Padame'. He does while Annie watches. Annie gets mad, kills Dooku, ... hmm, our beloved padme wont be killed by dooku i presume. obi will take her into hiding as ani is goin to the dark side. he will be told dooku killed padme and so kills dooku to complete his last step to the dark side. and although dooku is a sith i dont think hes completely evil. he could have killed yoda, anakin and obi but he didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Padanime hmm, our beloved padme wont be killed by dooku i presume. obi will take her into hiding as ani is goin to the dark side. he will be told dooku killed padme and so kills dooku to complete his last step to the dark side. and although dooku is a sith i dont think hes completely evil. he could have killed yoda, anakin and obi but he didnt. How could Dooku have killed yoda? And he did try to kill Obi but Ani got in the way. I think he only spared Ani cuz either: 1) He hoped to convert him later 2)He sensed Yoda coming and was focusing on gathering the Force to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Padanime hmm, our beloved padme wont be killed by dooku i presume. obi will take her into hiding as ani is goin to the dark side. he will be told dooku killed padme and so kills dooku to complete his last step to the dark side. and although dooku is a sith i dont think hes completely evil. he could have killed yoda, anakin and obi but he didnt. what part of leia saying 'she died when i was very young' when luke asked about her real mother...wait...nevermind...SEE!!! shut up. i give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Padanime hmm, our beloved padme wont be killed by dooku i presume. obi will take her into hiding as ani is goin to the dark side. he will be told dooku killed padme and so kills dooku to complete his last step to the dark side. and although dooku is a sith i dont think hes completely evil. he could have killed yoda, anakin and obi but he didnt. Dooku could not have killed yoda silly, yoda made him run away like a little school girl. And as Boinga pointed out he DID try to kill obiwan. And he might have tried to kill anakin if yoda wouldn't have showed up. And he was going to kill all 200 jedi on geonosis. He is a BAD man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 It's more likely that once Anakin falls to the dark side, Palpy knowing that he's much more powerful than Dooku, will have him fight and kill Dooku and take Dooku's place at his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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