CorranSec Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Crazy_dog: It's nonsensical to put unbalanced civs in 'just as a challenge.' If people want challenges, they can make hard scenarios, play 1v5, or something like that. The devs shouldn't have to make a whole new civ just to challenge some bored experts. But wait, now you want to balance it. Well, that wouldn't make it a challenge civ, would it? Anyway. I'm up for Ewoks as a secret civ. They're cute, cuddly, and absolutely pathetic in pitched battle, but most people would like a taste of them... so we make them a fun secret. Not a whole civ. Fergie- Finally, another Vong supporter. Although I'm not too sure about the Chiss and the Hapans... I haven't seen much stuff on the Chiss, is there more in the later NJO? (I've only read up to Balance Point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Vong=bad idea from a sales point of view. Why? Cause about .5% of the potential market knows about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDI_MASTA Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 i like the number now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted January 1, 2003 Author Share Posted January 1, 2003 I like the idea about the Ewoks being secret. Once you finish the game they could be unlocked. They should NOT be balanced, but could still be available in multiplayer. They would not be easy to win with, in fact it would be nigh impossible, just as it should be. But they would be fun to play. Winning isn't everything. As for pure EU civs like the Vong and Chiss, they should not be included, and if the good people at LucasArts have any sense they will not be included, simply for the reason Sithmaster said. So my civs would be exactly the ones we have now, with a secret Ewok civ. Any new civs introduced in Episode III to the extent of at least the Royal Naboo should also be included. Wookiees should remain, simply because apart from maybe the Ewoks they are by far the best known Star Wars alien. Most people know what a Wookiee is, almost no-one knows what a Trandoshan or Mon Calamari is. And can people please start spelling Wookiee correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Originally posted by SE_Vader_536 i say these civs work the best: 1. Republic 2. Cofederacy 3. Wookies 4. Rebel Alliance 5. Galactic Empire 6. Royal Naboo 7. Gungans 8. Trade Federation 9. Ewoks 10. Mon Cal. 11. Hutt Cartel (maybe) Kamino's and Trandoshans are too insagnificant for civs. Hey great list! I agree with EVERYTHING u said. CroonSec- I did say they should be balanced in 1 of my later posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Secret civs: Should NOT be included in MP. If someone hasn't finished the game, how can he fight against an Ewok civ which you need to unlock to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 That is another reason why. Crazy dog, the whole idea of the secret civs is that they would play "differently" and more than likely have far fewer units and not "standard" units. You cant have that in MP, but in scenerios and SP, they would be fine. I also think the comp in SP shouldn't be able to play as a secret civ because then they would have to make a whole lot of AI files and also the same reasons as above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 I think the comp should. You could kick some Ewok ass that way:D ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 yeah?! why cant we kill them? just like we killed the gungans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted January 1, 2003 Share Posted January 1, 2003 Purely EU-civs, and I'm not suggesting many, won't have that much of an impact on sales. There will still be plenty of canon civs. And that's what you'll see on the box and on ads. The way you people are talking, it's like I'm planning to make an entire game out of Vong and Chiss. Well, I'm not, and nobody is. The canon civs will still be a majority. We need some new civs. I doubt that many factions worthy of a 'civ' will arise in Episode III, but if they do, it will only be 1 or 2- only worthy of an expansion, like CC. The EU civs are our perfect opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Well then let's not make them a secret civ and make them a normal civ! Ideas: Worker: Villager Medic: Shaman Troopers: Slingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 or it could be a secret civ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 im confused:confused: are we talkin bout the Ewoks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I think the comp should. You could kick some Ewok ass that way ! yeah?! why cant we kill them? just like we killed the gungans. Oh, yeah, I forgot that the people who play the game because it is a strategy game left awhile ago. Along with the people who understood balance and AI scripts. I guess i just still have high expectations:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by CorranSec Fergie- Finally, another Vong supporter. Although I'm not too sure about the Chiss and the Hapans... I haven't seen much stuff on the Chiss, is there more in the later NJO? (I've only read up to Balance Point) Vong are a great unique civ. If you want uniqueness this is the civ. Besides...people can learn who the vong are and there might be a wonderful database. There is TONS on the Hapans. Courtship of Princess Leia, many of the Children of the Jedi books include tidbids about the Hapans because of Teniel Ka and in NJO they are featured in several books. Also some of their ships can be found in the Ships guide book and there are more made in NJO. The Chiss are starting to become more promonent in NJO and very soon I think they will commit themselves fully to the struggle against the Vong and then we will see more of their unique technology. So far we've only seen small bits like the ClawCraft, but soon...yes...very soon. BTW, EU is the best. It is many times better than the Prequels and in a few cases is better then the trilogy. If you don't read EU, I really do pity you because your missing out on the real Star Wars Universe. Also do we really have to debate ewoks? Planetary bombardment and goodbye ewoks...and guess what...nobody in the galaxy cares. Endor is a nondesript average planet (moon if you want to get technical) in a huge galaxy. Plus it is way off the trade routes. That's why the Empire selected it for DSII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Give me a casual fan or gamer who know knows what the Hapans are. I sure don't. Ewoks- Yes we do! Let's go through the pro's and con's: Pro's: Seen in movies, unlike something u were suggesting;) How else will gamers get to exterminate them large-scale in a DM or RM game? Ton's of info available. Agreed, not as much as others, but enough to make a civ. Con's: Realism issue- wood burns Realism issue- small and fragile Ewoks Balance issue- Same as other civs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 Mine are: 1. republic 2. confederacy 3. rebels 4. naboo 5. wookies 6. trade feds 7. empire 8. gungans 9. yuuzhan vong <-- biggie for me 10. ep 3 civ 11. Chiss <-- i know probably not happen. lil is know about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted January 9, 2003 Author Share Posted January 9, 2003 Darth Fergie, I am very surprised you like EU more than the movies. I think it's rubbish. Too much like a D-Grade Sci-Fi television serial for my likings. That is not what Star Wars is supposed to be. I'd rather keep the two separate, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 I only like EU that Doesn't contradict movies Doesn't add a whole new element into the brew (Vong, etc) Fills up gaps in the movies Doesn't involve the minor characters in a significant way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 The EU r00lz! and so do the Movies. I think they need to have at least an EU Xpac, or like a big patch to download so we can add it as a civ. The current civs are fine for GB2. Jus add the Vong and an Ep 3 civ with the current civs and I', happy. I personally dont think there will be an Ep 3 civ cuz I believe it is basically the Republic, Confederacy, and maybe the Empire. What else could there be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak The EU r00lz! and so do the Movies. I think they need to have at least an EU Xpac, or like a big patch to download so we can add it as a civ. Most EU, with a few exceptions, sucks. I mean, they killed off Chewie, made up some TOTALLY contradictory crap about R2 and 3PO and made all the "background characters" equal to Han and Vader! And a Jedi who can turn into a tree! WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 You are referring to that tree-like alien on Ossus right? He's not a Jedi that can turn into trees. He is the old Jedi Master Ood Bnar.And the Eu still r00lz for me. Actually, all of Star Wars r00lz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 I don't want to go over the whole Ewok thing again... just make them a single-player secret civ. They don't have to be balanced. Just for fun. End of story. Is this thread turning into another EU/Movies debate? *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 For me, i would like to see in SWGB2- 01. Galactic Republic 02. Galactic Empire 03. Royal Naboo 04. Rebel Alliance 05. Gungans 06. Wookies 07. Confederacy of Independant Systems 08. Trade Federation 09. Hutt Cartel 10. Black Sun (as a Hutt Cartel enemy) 11. Yvang Vung (maybe) 12. Ewoks (maybe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranSec Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 About your civ list, Windu: 01. Galactic Republic- Yes 02. Galactic Empire- Yes 03. Royal Naboo- Yes 04. Rebel Alliance- Yes 05. Gungans- Yes 06. Wookies- No, for reasons stated in the Kaminoan thread. 07. Confederacy of Independant Systems- Yes 08. Trade Federation- Yes 09. Hutt Cartel- Yes 10. Black Sun (as a Hutt Cartel enemy)- No. The Smugglers Union are a much more important and fleshed-out civ, and would provide a great enemy of the Hutts. 11. Yuuzhan Vong (maybe)- Yes. No maybe, yes. 12. Ewoks (maybe)- You must be joking. As a proper, powerful, military, balanced civ? No. But as a fun, unbalanced, comical secret? Yes. Just include the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant, and it's perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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