ckcsaber Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by pbguy1211 but his script was so weak, his casting was awful What are you talking about??! You are saying Star Wars is bad as a whole.The script was great and the casting was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 also, note that han standing on Jabba's tail could have been compensating for taking out him not being the first to fire. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luuke_Skywalker Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 pbguy1211 i did grow up with the original movies on the big screen and although i respect your opinion i do believe you are totally in the wrong that all people who got to see the originals on the big screen wouldn't like the SE because i watched all three when they first hit the big screen in the late 70's and early 80's and also all three in the SE on the big screen and i felt that the George did a GREAT JOB! if you sit and watch the beginning of each of the movies in the SE you'll hear George say that the added scenes are ones that he had wanted to add in the orginal releases but didn't have the financial resources or technology to add them so they were scrapped till new technology came along and lo and behold the technology came along and he used it and "FINISHED" his original trilogy. now no one knows "EXACTLY" how George wanted Han Solo to be whether or not he wanted Solo to have the scruples not to shoot first or not (George had never said) but since the SE erupted on the big screen and now on VHS we get the hint the George originally wanted Han Solo to be a man of values which as the OT went along we found out anyway because he did after all join the Rebellion. But the SE ANH gave us yet another look at the real Han Solo and if you look at it the fact that Greedo missed Han when he shot at him from such "short range" isn't all that hard to believe. I am a former United States Marine and have seen people not be able to hit the broad side of a barn from 5 paces with a darned Telescope mounted to the gun! so please sit and think about it logically and i also agree that it is becoming ridiculous about all the "Hate George Lucas, Hate Star Wars" threads going around where else but "Lucasforums" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 shoot, if you don't like the SE's, don't watch them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 They are GL's movies, not ours, they are his ideas, not ours..... He forever quotes in most interviews that movie escape, that they are never finished. He is a person now that has the money to bring the movies more in line with HIS original vision. Be grateful that he released the movies, since ANH really changed the cinematic scene, introduced the term "Blockbuster" and finally gave those Trekkies some real enemies!! He invented certain cinematic techniques that everyone used to take for granted until CG took it's place. Even helped the LOTR guys by introducing them to Pre-Viz CG scenes. People may have taken the whole OT apart, scene by scene and think that they own, since they love to watch them, can spot all the minor mistakes, and quote the whole script for the three word for word. Just because he happens to own both ILM and THX, along with Skywalker Sound (Most of the better movies use them) and has a lot of money to do as he pleases, he can change the movies to fit his original vision more. Do not be surprised that originally that the SE versions were original an in house project of Lucas' to see if ILM could do a new SW saga justice, to see if they could create what he wanted to see. The guy has always been at the bleeding edge of technology with his movies, which we see in every other movie that ILM does, and if they don't do it, the other effects companies have to live up to the quality that ILM can deliver, so that they look as good or better. Get off your soap box, think before you shoot off at the mouth, and remember to hand the people a mint as they leave the toilet...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 sorry to say this, but if you think that the SE are his original ideas... then you're simply a sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 And if you can't see that the person who created the movie doesn't have the right to change it anyway he sees fit, and still took over US$200 Million for the SE version of ANH, then I am sorry to think that somehow it was a commerical success..... Not his changes? Hmmm, I believe that GL has the last say on everything to do with the movies, he will give the direction as to where to go as a minimum. Tell me then, who was behind the changes, why did he re-release them? It is his name that is behind it, his money. Do you complain that the DVD version of TPM is different to the VHS version, the VHS Version is the direct Cinematic copy. Or do you think the extra speeder scenes are no good either. Well, then if you hate SW so much STOP WATCHING THEM AND WATCH SOMETHING ELSE....... LOTR:FOTR EE and Apocalypse Now Redux are totally different versions to the original, nowhere in the real of the extra 5 mins MAX that are added to the movies. I think it is under 10 minutes in total for the 3 movies. Tell me, other than Han shooting first, what is so wrong with the SE? Removing the streaming lights that resembled the X-Wings taking off from the Massasi Temple on Yavin 4, and replacing them with X-Wings? Helping clean up the scenes on Hoth when viewed through the A-Wing cockpit? The mass of X-Wings that are in space ready to attack? A much more "explosive" explosion of both Death Stars? Scene for scene, word for word, very little has changed, just added in some "fluff" on the side that in the main isn't overly distracting, just that you know what to look for. Stop trying to look for the changes in the movie and just watch it, I believe that what a movie is for....................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Originally posted by boinga1 shoot, if you don't like the SE's, don't watch them!! That was the smartest thignsaid in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 only watched them once... and certainly dont ever plan on watching the SE Ep. VI again... that was by far the last straw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 I was never interested in starwars till the SE came out- even then I was seriously not considering seeing it, only thing that changed my mind was coz it was my brothers birthday during the time ANH was released and he really wanted to see it- well you might say I'm glad I went with him I have the SE on video (BTW when is it coming out on DVD???) and at the start of each video (I'm assuming its the same overseas for Australia) they talk about some of the changes they made for the SE, stuff like the whole snow scene was shot on blue screen no one had ever done that before and they have comparison shots and stuff, in the origional there's black lines and stuff around objects and the cockpits are seethrough- Lucas just wanted to fix those sort of things up coz in the 70's there wasn't that sort of technology Oh and that Jabba/Han scene? Lucas said he always wanted it in but with the technology they couldn't figure out how to do it- which is why it was added later Just sit back and enjoy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 The OT DVD's are rumoured to be coming out AFTER Episode 3 is out on DVD. So that is approx Christmas 2005, he'd be stupid to miss out on the timing there. I'd be highly surprised if there isn't some small division of ILM, THX and Skywalker Sound that are working right now on getting the highest quality transfer to DVD from the movies. That'd include working out where GL is meant to be adding his other new bits to make the 6 movies to all join in together. Word has it that John Williams is meant to be rescoring the whole trilogy, the ANH soundtrack is out of whack with the rest, since he and Lucas were unsure if there were more movies to come. Glad to be in Zone 4, since the higher res PAL conversions will show up the NTSC versions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 I'd love to see a whole box set of all 6episodes. I hope Lucas doesn't stuff around with it too much though- there were those rumours that Natalie Portman was supposed to be shooting scenes to be added into the OT- how the hell does that work? What are they gonna do???? Add her to the end of Jedi? While she's standing there in spirit form with Yoda and co???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Geeeeeeeez people lighten up. He's just given the OT a face lift, and personally I don't have a big problem with it, other than the perspective of Jabba to Han, and that whole bit with Greedo missing Han at point blank. Personally I love all the digital re-dos with the ships, and Mos Eisley. All he's doing is seeing to it that his classic film fits in with the whole grand scheme of things, and that the new generation that exists on a steady diet of John Woo Tom Cruise do not get bored with it. Hat's off to GL folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tie Guy Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Groovy I don't have a big problem with it, other than the perspective of Jabba to Han, What's wrong with that scene? I thought it was fine and helped explain a few things alot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 the part where han steps on jabba's tail, and jabba looking younger than he did in tpm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Nothing is wrong with the scene itself. It's just that Jabba appears to small compared to his scale and size in all of the other movies. In other words, his model is just too small in that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by pbguy1211 Oh this'll be fun... you didn't see the original 3 on the big screen. You saw altered versions of Star Wars movies. If it was original it wouldn't have to have been changed. And it didn't have to be changed. The changes and additions were made for the sake of showing off ILM and giving some sort of reasoning for making a lot of his new 3. There's no rule that states older movies can't be reshown "as is" from their initial state. Do you realize how many movies are re-released years after they've been out? Disney does it all the time for one... Your conclusion is based on no facts so it's going to be useless to even argue it... but here it goes anyway... George Lucas is not great. He has a great special effects team in ILM, no doubt... but his script was so weak, his casting was awful, and he's re-writing history as he goes along for whatever reason (I seriously can't understand why he needs to re-write history, a good history, there's no NEED to do it). And his "monsters" and their placing is a complete joke. Did you watch the special crap on the episode 2 dvd? The part where he selects a monster out of about 20 ones already made to be Dexter? He never even had an idea in mind, he didn't make it up or think about it.... he just picked something out of the blue... yeah, that's "great"... I'm done... for now wait wait wait? you love the original version but hate the cast and script of the SE???..... sorry to inform you bud but its the same cast and almost the exact same script (just added a few scenes). i dont see how it could possibly have ruined the movie for you? (possibly because im me and not you). you say he rewrote history. but its all the same damn thing except cleaned up a bit and a very small amount of added stuff. thats not rewriting history, its adding detail. i for one love detail. and you claim that the SE wasnt GL's original ideas, and that you think anybody who believes that they are are suckers. well sorry bud, but you never saw GL's original ideas, ORIGINALLY luke was gonna be a girl! plots change constantly. lets not forget that they were so close to releasing ROTJ when GL changed the name that they already had COMMERCIALS for "revenge of the jedi". GL always changes things and as it is his child we cant tell him not to. you say that you hate him. i find that very disturbing. you hate a man for bringing you into his world, if you hate his world you shouldnt have gone to see the movies 1000's of times. if you hated his world then why the hell are you on these forums? you wont find starwars haters here (except the very odd and stupid troll). im having difficulties understanding where you're coming from man, ever think that maybe, just maybe the reason you hate the SE is because you expected to have the same feelings you had as a kid watching the OT? you're not a kid (at least not if you saw the OT in theatres) so of course the movie will have a different effect on you, you've grown up so the ewoks might no longer seem cute and the fact that they destroyed an obviously superior force erks you now. dont hate GL for having a vision, if ppl did that back in the 70's we'd never know obiwan kenobi or darth vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 I really enjoyed all of the star wars movies......it wasn't til about two years ago when I finally rented all of the SE of the OT. I don't know why, I just wasn't in that big of a hurry to see them....as I have seen each movie too many times to count already. I was very impressed with the new scenes and I really enjoyed the movies. Groovy was right when he said "lighten up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Talliusc plots change constantly. lets not forget that they were so close to releasing ROTJ when GL changed the name that they already had COMMERCIALS for "revenge of the jedi". The Revenge Of The Jedi was more of a working title to fool those that had made unlicensed products, so that they would have a lot of useless product. He obviously went to such an extent to event have the ads made, voiced over and plated with the word Revenge. I don't believe it was GL's intention to ever use the word Revenge in the title at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 thanks Bcan, i did not know that. i had just thought it was GL being GL. i think its sad that he had to go that far though, that unlicensed products were that big of a problem for him and his company. well i guess he knows best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_wolf Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Well, I will still never forgive him for not expanding the Luke-Biggs thing or putting the B-Wings back into the Battle of endor rather than redoing the Jabba's dnace number (which was meant to be a background thing, and worked BETTER as such). I will always cherise my SE trilogy boxed set, but I will never forgive him his poor choices for redo. Cloud City - Good ! Dance Number - Bad! Hoth Sceanry - Good! Slipping Outrider into the new Mos Eisley sequence - Good! Greedo shooting first - BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! It looks SO STUPID! Hans head would not be able to do that unless he were a jedi, in which case the Empire would have been in much deeper s.. poo-doo than it was as it was with Luke! Imagine a narked Force endowed Han coming at you, saber extended - *shivers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 OMG... Originally posted by Darth Talliusc wait wait wait? you love the original version but hate the cast and script of the SE???..... sorry to inform you bud but its the same cast and almost the exact same script (just added a few scenes). i dont see how it could possibly have ruined the movie for you? (possibly because im me and not you). THE CAST OF THE NEW MOVIES!!! Obviously the original casts were the same... how the hell could you think anyone thought they were different? Originally posted by Darth Talliusc you say he rewrote history. but its all the same damn thing except cleaned up a bit and a very small amount of added stuff. thats not rewriting history, its adding detail. i for one love detail. no... he re-wrote history... Originally posted by Darth Talliusc and you claim that the SE wasnt GL's original ideas, and that you think anybody who believes that they are are suckers. well sorry bud, but you never saw GL's original ideas, ORIGINALLY luke was gonna be a girl! You really missed the point on that one... i guess it's a bit over your head... Originally posted by Darth Talliusc plots change constantly. lets not forget that they were so close to releasing ROTJ when GL changed the name that they already had COMMERCIALS for "revenge of the jedi". GL always changes things and as it is his child we cant tell him not to. you say that you hate him. i find that very disturbing. you hate a man for bringing you into his world, if you hate his world you shouldnt have gone to see the movies 1000's of times. if you hated his world then why the hell are you on these forums? you wont find starwars haters here (except the very odd and stupid troll). im having difficulties understanding where you're coming from man, ever think that maybe, just maybe the reason you hate the SE is because you expected to have the same feelings you had as a kid watching the OT? you're not a kid (at least not if you saw the OT in theatres) so of course the movie will have a different effect on you, you've grown up so the ewoks might no longer seem cute and the fact that they destroyed an obviously superior force erks you now. dont hate GL for having a vision, if ppl did that back in the 70's we'd never know obiwan kenobi or darth vader. To end... they weren't the same movies he'd released many years ago... Have you seen the Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring? and then did you see the extended version? THAT is a special edition... not a movie you feel like changing TWENTY YEARS LATER FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING NEW MOVIES AND SHOWING OFF YOUR SPECIAL EFFECTS TEAM!!! Check nova_wolf's post... he summed it up well... I'm guessing a lot of you aren't from north amercia... because a lot of the star wars fans in the us ridicule lucas' changes in the original 3. The Greedo shooting first is #1... totally kills a lot of Hans credibility as a scoundrel... i'd follow that closely with all of Ep. VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 i would have to disagree, i for one liked the special edition trilogy, except for the part when greedo shot first, and jabba being a little too small, the dance number in ROTJ was ok nothing special. but he really cleaned all of the movies up, like in ANH when there flying over the trench, in the original you could see these "flourescent boxes" around the fighters, in the special edition, they were cleared away thanks to digital technology. little things like that really made it look fresh. And the extended Mos Eisley entrance was awesome! As for left out seens, we always have the dvd's for that, just hope that GL puts them in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 what he SHOULD do is make them super DVD sets, one original movie, one SE movie and one DVD with extras for each movie... but of course he wont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Vector Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 I own the SE trilogy on VHS and I must say the only Ep that I have a problem with (concerning Lucas' revisions) is RotJ. Basically it's two scenes that bother me: 1. The ridiculous CGI music scene, a cross between MTV and the Muppet Show - totally destroys the immersion and IMO is just a cynical attempt at pleasing the young 'uns in the audience (we're talking diaper age here). 2. The extended end scene - it's the abysmal panflute samba tune that, after a great climax to the movie, manages to turn things sour at the very last moment*. *N.B.: a disclaimer - I can't remember the originals 100% clearly, so I have to go by Lucas' introductory talk to assume that this flute ditty was in fact not included in the theatrical version of the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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