Andy867 Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 If what you are saying BlackDove about being too flashy is true, then you didn't like Episode 1 or Episode 2's lightsaber battles either because of them being to "Flashy." I mean Ray Park and Calvin Ho studied in the martial arts, so they knew what they had to do. And almost anything can be done with CG characters. Oh, and that back-bending move is called the back-bending kicking your ass' style of martial arts as a friend of mine put it. We both felt it was a nice touch since really it wasn't an average, predictable move, which is why it caught the Jedi off-guard. And you realize that the monologue wouldn't have been read much better that the guy that actually wrote that letter to Sarah back in the Civil War Union Solder. And plus the fanfilm isn't supposed to be Star Warsy, its supposed to be 2, well, 3 people doing something they like with ideas that they like. And with their limited budget and resources, they did a fine job in 4 days. A film like duality took over a year to make. So you can see where Duality failed in some respects and where art of the saber 2 succeeded and vice versa. Sure they didn't use a blue/green screen studio or flashy software programs, but 80% of the public doesn't always want it to be star wars like episode 1, 2, 4-6. They want good choreography. They want a proper mood with music, which I think was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Let me tell you this and let me tell you this straight You CANNOT COMPARE this with any of the Star Wars movies. This simply has no Star Wars in it except the sabres (which you were able to stick in the ground???). Oh and, ever wondered why the sabre battles in the movie were too short? I'll give you that as a food for thought Uhm, yeah it was kinda a job well done for the timeframe and the budget they had, but it could have been done a lot better if they actually were going for some continuity and not flashyness...oh and the final move? You're watching the wrong guy excecuting stuff. The guy with the sweatpants and one lightsabre should have made a vertical, NOT a horizontal sweep. Would have blocked off the two sabres and most likely killed the dude with the dual-sabre. Not that it matters though, the sabre fighting wasn't really strictly based on much while Ep1 and Ep2 fighting styles were taken from the samurai budo (err, im not an expert on the actual names but it is from those times in japan) and then converted into styles which fit the 360 degree killing blade, which is just one of the reasons why you can't compare the clip and Star Wars. Job well done in 4 days with no money, but quality = not that good. Sorry, but that's just how it is. The JK2 sounds made me laugh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I agree about the sounds. They could have done some sound clip research for something to sound if anything, like a the Force Pull. But the thing of this movie that the public in other respects is regarding this too much on the movies and not a standalone "film" done in 4 days on a limited budged as mentioned earlier. They didn't want the Star Wars feeling of it, they wanted an emotional feeling of it. The as one of the brothers said about the saber in the ground. The reason it was possible was the fact that in Episode 1, Quigon jinn was not able to cut through every layer of the blast doors. Which means there was resistance, and one would think that the saber would sink right through.. Well, if no additional force is applied to it, then once it hits a dense enough material, especially if he barely stabbed it into the ground, then yes, the ground would and did suport the saber. I know its confusing, but it did look different:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove Let me tell you this and let me tell you this straight You CANNOT COMPARE this with any of the Star Wars movies. This simply has no Star Wars in it except the sabres (which you were able to stick in the ground???). No one is directly comparing the fan film to Star Wars but you. I do agree though, it has no SW in it except for the sabers, but apparently you didn't watch the credits to see why they did what they did, and the feel they were trying to go for, and where they got the monologue from (which, coincidently, comes from a letter that a Civil War soldier wrote to his wife Sarah, and the fact that you associated a 'crappy monologue' with an Asian movie simply because the actors were Asian sounds a bit racist). Uhm, yeah it was kinda a job well done for the timeframe and the budget they had, but it could have been done a lot better if they actually were going for some continuity and not flashyness...oh and the final move? You're watching the wrong guy excecuting stuff. The guy with the sweatpants and one lightsabre should have made a vertical, NOT a horizontal sweep. Would have blocked off the two sabres and most likely killed the dude with the dual-sabre. I'm curious about the 'continuity' comment. What exactly about their movie involved continuity? You said yourself earlier it wasn't SW, they themselves said it wasn't SW, so where is the continuity error? And you're talking about what he should have done like it wasn't a scripted fight. As the evil guy's move was sudden, the good guy had no reason to expect that he'd need to use a vertical slash (and not a horizontal one). Not that it matters though, the sabre fighting wasn't really strictly based on much while Ep1 and Ep2 fighting styles were taken from the samurai budo (err, im not an expert on the actual names but it is from those times in japan) and then converted into styles which fit the 360 degree killing blade, which is just one of the reasons why you can't compare the clip and Star Wars. Actually, Nick Gillard's take on the jedi art of saber fighting is a combination of many different styles of weapons combat, including a couple of moves taken from places that have nothing to do with swords (like woodchopping and tennis, for example); it's not just one martial arts discipline. Job well done in 4 days with no money, but quality = not that good. Sorry, but that's just how it is. The JK2 sounds made me laugh though. Well, this is your opinion so I can't really argue against it. I agree with you though, the JK2 sounds were humorous, but on the whole I thought that the movie was much more original than all of these other fan films that TRY to be something other than a saber fight, and end up coming out more laughable than any number of JK2 sounds could be. Just take a look at some of the titles of fan films from TheForce.net and you'll see what I mean. The quality of the special effects was not great, but again, if you had read what they said in the credits, this film wasn't something they were wanting to spend a lot of time/money on. I'd give it a 9 out of 10 for nice choreography, good music, and a nice little monologue (which is actually quite sad, if you think about it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I've gotten away from the fan films for a while young padawan. I am at work on a computer that has no speakers, so I shall take a look at them when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 The problem here is obvious.. Superman, you really need to watch more fanflicks! I'm telling you..."Art of the saber" will seem like the greatest thing ever made once you've seen some of the competition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Originally posted by Aru-Wen No one is directly comparing the fan film to Star Wars but you. I do agree though, it has no SW in it except for the sabers, but apparently you didn't watch the credits to see why they did what they did, and the feel they were trying to go for, and where they got the monologue from (which, coincidently, comes from a letter that a Civil War soldier wrote to his wife Sarah, and the fact that you associated a 'crappy monologue' with an Asian movie simply because the actors were Asian sounds a bit racist). Ugh, dude, the thing just didn't fit in at all. And nothing about it, when I say a "crappy monologue" makes me sound racist. The Civil War letter is appropriate for the Civil War soldier, not the sabre swinging matrix character. It just sounded way garbaged in comparison to what it should have been paired with. I'm curious about the 'continuity' comment. What exactly about their movie involved continuity? You said yourself earlier it wasn't SW, they themselves said it wasn't SW, so where is the continuity error? And you're talking about what he should have done like it wasn't a scripted fight. As the evil guy's move was sudden, the good guy had no reason to expect that he'd need to use a vertical slash (and not a horizontal one). If...anyone has a half a brain they would do a vertical slash instead of the horizontal one in that position, but as I said, not that it matters because the fight wasn't going for effect...I rewinded the ending moves part about 20-30 times to see it from all angles....it is CLEAR that the thing was supposed to be flashy...and about the continuity? If you're gonna rip off an element from something else, at least make it true to the original, like the sabre actually being a sabre, not something you can stick in the ground and forget about. Actually, Nick Gillard's take on the jedi art of saber fighting is a combination of many different styles of weapons combat, including a couple of moves taken from places that have nothing to do with swords (like woodchopping and tennis, for example); it's not just one martial arts discipline. And as you'll notice, the tennis moves (don't really know where the woodchopping was used) were used when they were kicking the **** out of the gazillion robots, you see qui-gon doing that forehand move on a couple of dumb bots. However if you'll notice, qui-gon's starting stance is real...not sure how it's called.....hasso possibly, if memory serves me right (most likely not) Well, this is your opinion so I can't really argue against it. I agree with you though, the JK2 sounds were humorous, but on the whole I thought that the movie was much more original than all of these other fan films that TRY to be something other than a saber fight, and end up coming out more laughable than any number of JK2 sounds could be. Just take a look at some of the titles of fan films from TheForce.net and you'll see what I mean. The quality of the special effects was not great, but again, if you had read what they said in the credits, this film wasn't something they were wanting to spend a lot of time/money on. I'd give it a 9 out of 10 for nice choreography, good music, and a nice little monologue (which is actually quite sad, if you think about it). Trying = spectacular (as it always should be) Quality = scale 1 to 10 = 4, if that Originally posted by Luc Solar The problem here is obvious.. Superman, you really need to watch more fanflicks! I'm telling you..."Art of the saber" will seem like the greatest thing ever made once you've seen some of the competition! Perhaps you're right, I've seen some of the fanfilms, they all pretty much sucked on a major level...but uhm, quality still equals quality, they didn't all go and bow down to lucas' ep1 just because he made it, they checked the quality of it too, and as it turned out, it wasn't that good. As lucas himself said, he was experimenting with that movie a lot, it was kinda doomed to suck and blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hekx Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Some of the lightsabre sounds were okay, but did they use Jedi Outcast sounds too? I disliked the 'force pull sabre pickup' sound, it made the film a little too amateur, all though it seemed all the lightsabre combat had been practiced quite a fair bit. ...I still don't like the 'finishing blow'... I also recommend the Alternate Lightsabre Duel, which is quite good. Although Obi-wan seems older than Dooku and Anakin combined... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Alternate Lightsaber Duel was ok, but being located in a parking garage? Thats the thing with Art Of the Saber 2, a forest was a fitting locale, whereas ALD was just 3 people trying to enact a comical ending of Episode 2. They easily could have used the older one as Dooku while the other 2 be Obi-wan and Anakin. It would have played out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 Alternate Lightsaber Duel was ok, but being located in a parking garage? Thats the thing with Art Of the Saber 2, a forest was a fitting locale, whereas ALD was just 3 people trying to enact a comical ending of Episode 2. They easily could have used the older one as Dooku while the other 2 be Obi-wan and Anakin. It would have played out better. Hmm... don't think I've seen 'Alternate Lightsaber Duel'. Anyone have a link where I can watch it/download it? I check TheForce.net's movie section, and it didn't seem to be in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 The fan film is a very grand display of lightsaber fighting. Disagree with me and die. Not taking hostages - C'jais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Originally posted by Aru-Wen Hmm... don't think I've seen 'Alternate Lightsaber Duel'. Anyone have a link where I can watch it/download it? I check TheForce.net's movie section, and it didn't seem to be in there. http://theforce.net/theater/fxprojects/AlternateDuel/index.shtml there ya go, Aru-wen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Thanks much, Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Well I'm at 80% download now so I'll give my feedback once I watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Ohh lighten up, Kal-El. I caught this one a while back. Excellent display, and I dug the adaptation of Civil War letters to the Star Wars saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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