Do you think Iraq or North Korea will attack us?

[Lynk Former]

Originally posted by Nute Gunray

you think this is a 'flame war?' if so, you haven't seen one then.

 

No I don't think this is a flame war... I think this is completely stupid along with everything and everyone on earth...

[Deac]

I suppose there is one good thing about nukes. As long as everyone has them, no-one will use them. I also think that people really should discuss these issues. It's also interesting to see so much support for war. In England everyone seems to be against it. Personally, I don't know the right desiscion. There are strong arguments both for and against war.

I don't think any nation should go against the UN. I would not have a problem if the UN deemed it a necessity.

[Jared]

I think that we should just get rid of all nukes.

 

 

*thinks back to an old superman movie*

 

on second thought, lets just use them all:D

[Nute Gunray]

I think all of the countries that SHOULD have nuclear weapons already have them. No more.

I think they should bann ICBMs though. Bombers make it so much more sporting

[CorranSec]

Ookay..... I can tell that whatever I say, I'm going to get yelled at by either Nute or Lynk (well, Lynk would probably be more subtle) but anyway, here goes.

 

I severely doubt that anyone would be stupid enough to attack America. We've all seen the results of the "Wrath of George Bush," and all terrorists or US-killing wannabees should (and I daresay do) shudder at the memories of the attacks on Afghanistan.

Even IF Iraq does have nuclear warheads, would Saddam be stupid enough to risk utter destruction by firing them off now of all times? He'd be hung, drawn and quartered by the US even before the UN had a chance to take him to court. Or whatever it is that they do with people.

As for North Korea- come on. They're even less powerful than Iraq (correct me if I'm wrong). Would they, who have basically lain dormant for the past while, suddenly leap up and attack America now?

And you must be joking about China. China is basically being friendly. Just because they're Communists doesn't mean they're crazy bastards.

Once that "Son of Star Wars" system is up (and actually works, thanks to all our dedicated Aussie scientists, heh) I doubt anything will be able to touch the US. They'll knock them out of the sky, and then retaliate. So there's no real threat to America, and no real reason for a 'preemtive strike upon evil.'

 

That's just my rather uneducated thoughts. Feel free to criticise me.

[swphreak]

Plus, once we detect the nuke, cant we just launch a missile and blast it out of the sky (If it is a missile nuke)...... and hope it's not over a friendly country......

[Jared]

Well, I would think that the U.S. would do anything to prevent a nuke from hitting the us, but technicley we can't at the moment. They probably still would give the order, or make it look like some commander ordered it on his own, but...there is still the slight chance. George Bush may have scared alot of terrorists, but he can't stop them all. And what do you think the U.S. would do? blow it up over another country? That would be hell for us to explain that. Sooo, I know people like to say, whatever, they can't touch the U.S. , but they can. And they have showed that they can. And me, personally think that China's leaders are insane. Thats just my opinion.

[CorranSec]

Well, the missile will be in the high atmosphere, no? So if you blow it up, and it isn't nuclear, there isn't all that much to worry about. And if it is nuclear...... well, blow it up over the ocean.... wait a second, that won't work either, because the nuclear stuff might go into the oceans and pollute the whole ocean.

Oh dear.

 

I'm sure there'd be some way to deal with a nuclear warhead without having any fallout. And nobody can touch the US without knowledge that something near the wrath of God will fall on them afterwards, and I doubt anyone (even China's leaders) would appreciate the wrath of God.

[Cmdr. Cracken]

in a simple word, no.

 

do you have any idea how hard it is to intercept a missle?! ODDLES hard. i mean, hard isn't the word. you have to predict the final destination, origin, trajectory, wind resistance, speed, AND you have to get ANOTHER missle in the air to blow it before it becomes a danger. HARD. DIFFICULT.

 

This is why the administration wanted a missle defense system. to get the ICBM's launched by rogue nations against the US BEFORE they could pose a threat over American soil. but noooooooooo.... crazy people...sheesh.

[Mex]

Can't we all just get along?

[Lynk Former]

Originally posted by Flanders

Can't we all just get along?

 

Ditto *shakes Flanders hand*

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Cmdr. Cracken

do you have any idea how hard it is to intercept a missle?! ODDLES hard. i mean, hard isn't the word. you have to predict the final destination, origin, trajectory, wind resistance, speed, AND you have to get ANOTHER missle in the air to blow it before it becomes a danger. HARD. DIFFICULT.

 

Easy, simple, 60s technology.

 

The only reason we DON'T have such weapons is that in the seventies they were slowly made illegal. One of the first ABM systems that was made illegal was any kind of boost phase intercept. They made it illegal to attack an enemy ICBM minutes after it launched. The reason was because the US was working on a system to do so and the Soviets couldn't even possibly try. It wasn't 'fair.' Final destination is the only one that's really hard to guess at because you have to wait until post-apogee and that's wasted almost half your time.

 

The only thing that makes a reentry vehicle hard to kill (IRBMs and SRBMS, possibly SLBMs too, are amazingly easy to shoot down. Remember the Patriot vs. Scud) is their enormous speed. Determining their speed is easy (something like 12,000 mph). The tough part is that if your intercept weapon explodes behind it, the warhead will outrun the blast. You've either got to nail it skin to skin or blow something up right in front of it so the warhead flies into the exploded ABM. Reentry vehicles are remarkably fragile and are composed mostly of styrofoam. Flying through the upper layers of a thunderstorm, where hail is made, is more than enough to damage a warhead beyond the ability to detonate and just becomes a simple dirty bomb. And no, a dirty bomb won't put the hurt on anyone. People are too squeamish about radiation in this country and they don't understand it as much as they should.

 

Or you could fall back to our 60s technology simple, quick, and horrifyingly effective Spartan surface to air nuclear ICBM interceptor. It's primary mission was to fly to exoatmospheric altitudes and detonate its five megaton! warhead. From their, it would become the first EMP weapon. Magnetic effects from the detonation would hopefully destroy the brain of the ICBM and save the day. Failing that, the five megaton warhead would use good old fashion brute force and incinerate the inbounds with the cleansing fire of the atom.

[swphreak]

You just couldn't use heat seekers?

[Cmdr. Cracken]

*looks at Nutes post*

 

really, huh, never knew that.

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak

You just couldn't use heat seekers?

 

No. The center (centroid?) of a reentry plume is behind the reentry vehicle by a good distance. Radar guided is the best bet because it can actually home in on the physical vehicle itself, rather than the infrared ghost of the plume.

 

The US only fielded one Spartan battery ever, because that's how many the ABM treaty allowed. We stopped using it in 1975, i think. They decided that setting a big nuke in space was...detrimental to the target they were defending. If a missile got past the Spartans, Sprint missiles were supposed to tag the warhead. Sprints came in both orginal and cool ranch/nuclear flavors. They stopped using these too because the original flavor ones weren't good enough to actually really intercept a missile and were as effective as me using a shoulder launched missile. The cool ranch ones were stopped because why would you possibly want to use a nuke merely 15 miles from what you're trying to not get blowed up?

[Jared]

holy crud, thats some interesting infromation, nute.

Well, aparently, some nukes wont detonate when they are dimantled by another missle, but I think its just the U.S. ones that are designed like that. I just heard it, I really don't know if its true.

[Kjølen]

China has nothing to do with this.

 

And Iraq is the leading country in the world fo military spending.

Hopefully it'll all just go away. :-/

[Acrylic]

Yea..I hope too...but if not....LETS BOMB EM!!!!!

[Wacky_Baccy]

Posted by Kjølen

And Iraq is the leading country in the world fo military spending.

*curious* ...Where did you get that idea from?

[Pisces]

It's all relative. They spend $20 American, half their wealth is gone. j/k

 

It may be just relative to what they hahve though. They're not a particularly rich country so maybe they do spend half their wealth on military. The country's run by a general, it'd makes sense.

 

Anyway, peace is preferable but war's inevitable (for the most part). Everyone knows Bush is going to attack Iraq so he might as well do it quick. It costs a hell of a lot of money keeping the troops there so either attack (more likely) or pull them out (less likely)

[Jared]

Yea. It's not like Bush isnt't gonna give the order, but I think he should stop letting the people stall him.

[swphreak]

Originally posted by Nute Gunray

No. The center (centroid?) of a reentry plume is behind the reentry vehicle by a good distance. Radar guided is the best bet because it can actually home in on the physical vehicle itself, rather than the infrared ghost of the plume.

 

The US only fielded one Spartan battery ever, because that's how many the ABM treaty allowed. We stopped using it in 1975, i think. They decided that setting a big nuke in space was...detrimental to the target they were defending. If a missile got past the Spartans, Sprint missiles were supposed to tag the warhead. Sprints came in both orginal and cool ranch/nuclear flavors. They stopped using these too because the original flavor ones weren't good enough to actually really intercept a missile and were as effective as me using a shoulder launched missile. The cool ranch ones were stopped because why would you possibly want to use a nuke merely 15 miles from what you're trying to not get blowed up?

 

 

Yes, forgot about the re-entry. I have to ask, are you in the military or have something to do with the government?

[Nute Gunray]

Not military, not government. Well, not government YET.

 

I was an astoundingly intelligent child and was reading and understanding Tom Clancy novels at the age of nine. I watched all those military type shows like Wings and Firepower back when I was single digit aged. Not to mention, had a front row seat for the last tank war when i wasin third grade (Desert Storm). I just know way more than the average person.

 

Watch CNN next week people. Last new moon before Iraqi summer. It's coming.

[Jared]

I just read in the News paper that four mig-29 North Korean jets intercepted a U.S. plane designed to observe Japan etc. over the Sea of Japan and one of the migs targeted the plane with Radar and apparently paused, as if deciding wether or not to fire.

I think they are going to far. They say if we don't get rid of all our spy planes then they will. And they demand negotions that allow them to have nukes. Now, Is their leader insane, or what. All he's gonna get is a war that will wipe out north korea. I don't see the point of his actions.

[Deac]

There are so many anti-war protests in England. Truth is I'm not so sure. Is it really the U.S and the U.K's role to be world police? And, if so, why has the US not gone to war with China? I think there are bigger problems, at least for us, to be sorted out first. Like the Brittish government should do something about the problems in Northern Ireland.