Kain Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Tempers were flaring. I'll take responsibility. But its true. Mandalorian does seem to use this to post his ideals on non-Christians and how heathinistic they are. That and the forum got pretty much off topic reeeeeally quick... quote:wassap people (like MydnightPrison) just assumed you always carried around this ignorant, self-centered attitude. A: Its Psion... B: He is carrying that attitude. He believes that he's the ultimo-human and anyone disagreeing with him is ignorant or 'uneducated' as he posted before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 OK, he was a little pushy-wushy in his other thread, but he got bashed down there. So maybe he thought it through, and came back trying to start a legimate, mature topic, but found that he had already gained a reputation of being a "all-knowing ignorant superhuman." All I'm saying is give everyone a chance to express themselves before bashing them. (this goes for everyone) I mean, all he wanted to do was start a discussion on what everyone thinks a Christian is, and you start with this quote: i say your beliefs are gonna get you alot of hardships. especially since your saying we all hafta be like you and you other christians I mean, he didn't really push anyone in his first post, he just wanted to start a discussion, and here you are flaming him. IMO, you should treat every thread as seperate from others, with the attitude and reputation of the person being determined by what THEY say in that particular thread. Dont carry hate around, it gets too heavy with time... *edit* Oh ya and MP sorry for the misspelling of your name, it was late at night and I just glanced at your name, thought it said MidNightPrison...my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 7, 2003 Author Share Posted March 7, 2003 all right I won't use the word retarted in a name calling way, sory I didn't know people could get offended so easily, it was acctually inteded in more of as playfull tease than a flam. I'm not even offended by what I got back in return, if that's a holy war then I have hell on earth evry day with my brothers. nuff of this flaming though I don't want this thread to get locked. educated(meaning having been tought stuff, in the simplest words I can think of) I would compare someone who has gone to school and hence educated to some one who is self taught like: an Indian over in North America(uneducated) to an English settler. in the 1600s-1700s time span. is this a simple enough example. I'm kinda starting to forget where we started cuz it's just gone nowhere verry fast. And I don't think I'm an all knowing anything. And I can't remember how the whole Psion being ignorant thing started. But it's not cuz you disagree with me. I find it hard to believe how you came up with that, but I don't want twenty people expalaing in there own words how Psion came up with it. I wouldn't mind Psion explaining it himself, but I don't really care it's not that important. Let's solve this and cool down shall we, are there any more problems which need to be resolved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 an Indian over in North America(uneducated) to an English settler. in the 1600s-1700s time span. Umm what? I didn't get that. It depends on what you mean by educated and uneducated. The Indians were educated in what they needed to be. They knew their land, they knew how to make medecine, they had their own religion, they were farmers and hunters. I don't get what more they needed to be educated about? Also why were settlers so educated? They made boats and maps and stuff but that was only because they wanted wealth and land. The Indians had no need for this and therefore didn't spend time into inventing HUGE boats. It all depends on what education you would prefer. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 so if you could you would live on the street without an education unable to get a job and afford a home or a car? Being uneducated does not mean you will be without work and without money, and vice versa. We have a friend of the family who barely has a high school education and he is really really rich. He doesn't even need a high shcool education for his job...he grows grass. He has a turf farm and he's supplied turf to places like Mile High Stadium (where the Colorado Rockies play) and Mile High Field. There are also people who go to college, get their degree, but they end up in a very competitive field and can't get a job. And you can always get a job without a high school education. It probably won't be a GREAT job, but somebody always needs people for crappy jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior Being uneducated does not mean you will be without work and without money, and vice versa. We have a friend of the family who barely has a high school education and he is really really rich. He doesn't even need a high shcool education for his job...he grows grass. He has a turf farm and he's supplied turf to places like Mile High Stadium (where the Colorado Rockies play) and Mile High Field. There are also people who go to college, get their degree, but they end up in a very competitive field and can't get a job. And you can always get a job without a high school education. It probably won't be a GREAT job, but somebody always needs people for crappy jobs. Preach it borther. Goes back to my grandfather never completed HS until much later, went into the pest control business, ran a successful business for years, and is now a retired multi multi millionare. My father has degrees in history and english but is a web designer who has NEVER taken a class in web designing. He is self taught and is good at it. I wonder what type of degree it takes to run the zamboni at the Pepsi Arena (it is Pepsi that the Avs play at right?). BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 8, 2003 Share Posted March 8, 2003 Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul I wonder what type of degree it takes to run the zamboni at the Pepsi Arena (it is Pepsi that the Avs play at right?). BigTeddyPaul It's the Pepsi Center, but close enough.... I also wonder how much a zamboni driver gets paid.....i would like that job, just so i could drive the zamboni...that would be freakin neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 10, 2003 Author Share Posted March 10, 2003 I see we all have very different oppionons on what educated means, so can we drop that subject? Let's get back to the topic, what does it mean to be a Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 what does it mean to be a Christian? Ummmm......to believe in Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 That is the first step. Buddhists believe that Jesus existed but not that he is God's child. He is more of a prophet to most other religions if they recognize him at all. If I am wrong about the Buddhist part please say so. I am not learned enough in the subject to always be 100% right about it. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul That is the first step. Buddhists believe that Jesus existed but not that he is God's child. He is more of a prophet to most other religions if they recognize him at all. If I am wrong about the Buddhist part please say so. I am not learned enough in the subject to always be 100% right about it. BigTeddyPaul well you better GET learned enought to be 100% right ALL the time......i EXPECT it of you!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul That is the first step. Buddhists believe that Jesus existed but not that he is God's child. He is more of a prophet to most other religions if they recognize him at all. How I understood Buddhism, was that they do acknowledge gods, but they regard an eternity in heaven as something pointless. The goal is to reach Nirvana, not indulge yourself by the side of your god. You must break the cycle of reincarnation, not make it stand still. BTW, I think it was (Paul) who adressed something about Buddhists trying not to have desires. The way I understood it, while they view desires as harm in itself, they're also aware of how impossible it is to live without desires, so they strive to avoid harmful desires. The moment a desire becomes harmful to another person (don't ask me how they judge that), is the moment they'll try to quench it. I could be wrong, though. -C' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast What about those people that risk their lives trying to spread a message that they believe in? Yeees, what about them? Well in any other profession they'd be called 'frauds' at the toss of a hand, for not being able to procure any kind of documentation for their beliefs. One of the things that really pisses me off about religion is that it seems to grant immunity to such accusations, no matter how valid they are. If someone posts an article in a Physics journal that's full of mumbo-jumbo that's utterly undocumentable, he gets loads of flak from his colleagues. If someone does the same in a Theology journal, he gets the fullest appreciation from his peers (if he said the 'right' things, if he said something that goes against the doctrine, he'd get flakked, regardless of the documentation he could supply). The rules of rationalism and logic prohibit belief. If people would just stick to those, there would be rather fewer wars, famines, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar there would be rather fewer wars, famines, ect. Fewer famines? Isn't a famine caused by lack of rainfall or some other needed natural event? I don't see how no religion would help get rid of famines...... But you do have a point about less wars. The people over there in the middle-east have been at eachother's throats because they think their beliefs are better. Osama Ben Laden's crew believes they will get into Heaven by killing christians. No need to say more, religion does play an important part in many conflicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Reborn Outcast What about those people that risk their lives trying to spread a message that they believe in? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeees, what about them? Well in any other profession they'd be called 'frauds' at the toss of a hand, for not being able to procure any kind of documentation for their beliefs. One of the things that really pisses me off about religion is that it seems to grant immunity to such accusations, no matter how valid they are. If someone posts an article in a Physics journal that's full of mumbo-jumbo that's utterly undocumentable, he gets loads of flak from his colleagues. If someone does the same in a Theology journal, he gets the fullest appreciation from his peers (if he said the 'right' things, if he said something that goes against the doctrine, he'd get flakked, regardless of the documentation he could supply). The rules of rationalism and logic prohibit belief. If people would just stick to those, there would be rather fewer wars, famines, ect. "Yeees, what about them? Well in any other profession they'd be called 'frauds' at the toss of a hand, for not being able to procure any kind of documentation for their beliefs. One of the things that really pisses me off about religion is that it seems to grant immunity to such accusations, no matter how valid they are." not neccisarily, it depends on the individual case. And Bible scolars have much historical and scientific proof. there is more proof that the world is so complex it could not exist by any means other than the creation by a GOD. then that the world was created by the collision of meteors one of which had a cell on it, and the creation of civilization. nevermind the unexplainable problem of where the first cell, meteor's, or starts came form. No evolutionist has any grounds to claim that anything about evolution has any proof. this they will admit. At least the ones that get paid to be evolutionists. mabee some of the children who are convinced it is true because thier teacher at school said so in a convincing way and they are unable to see through those week statements. The above is a very strong challenge. Go ahead and claim you have proof because of carbond dating(which was proven false more times then has been counted) or whatever "scientific" theorys you use. But I know it is not FACT. There is not FACT when it comes to evolution. Only the infinitely imposible posibuility. which is ridiculouse. The only reason given me by evolutionists for thier beliefs is that they don't want to believe That they have to live thier lives by rules. And if that's the case, just believe nothing. What's the point of believing evolution? it's science all right, Schience Fiction!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 Do you type with your nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 [bnot neccisarily, it depends on the individual case. And Bible scolars have much historical and scientific proof. there is more proof that the world is so complex it could not exist by any means other than the creation by a GOD. then that the world was created by the collision of meteors one of which had a cell on it, and the creation of civilization. nevermind the unexplainable problem of where the first cell, meteor's, or starts came form. No evolutionist has any grounds to claim that anything about evolution has any proof. this they will admit. At least the ones that get paid to be evolutionists. mabee some of the children who are convinced it is true because thier teacher at school said so in a convincing way and they are unable to see through those week statements. The above is a very strong challenge. Go ahead and claim you have proof because of carbond dating(which was proven false more times then has been counted) or whatever "scientific" theorys you use. But I know it is not FACT. There is not FACT when it comes to evolution. Only the infinitely imposible posibuility. which is ridiculouse. The only reason given me by evolutionists for thier beliefs is that they don't want to believe That they have to live thier lives by rules. And if that's the case, just believe nothing. What's the point of believing evolution? it's science all right, Schience Fiction!!! [/b] I am posting words you do not know who to spell: 1. Science 2. Impossible 3. Possibility 4. Ridiculous 5. Theories 6. Carbon 7. Their 8. Scholars 9. Necessarily 10. Maybe 11. Stars Your nose. Funny man. Where is your studies that show that science has proven that it is more likely some "thing" created life and the earth etc as opposed to meteors and starts. If no one has any evolutionary cause to believe in evolution then why do we have tailbones? So far they have been proven to do nothing but sideline my high school quarterback for his junior year. Why are there so many variations of insects and plants? Could it be they adapted and evolved? Maybe your teacher claimed at your school or church that there is no way that evolution can take place and you believed him based on weak evidence. Carbon dating is not 100% accurate but it is the best way to determine how old something is around as far as I know. "Only the infinitely imposible posibuility. which is ridiculouse." You mean like believing in a God who created everything because he told mortals and they wrote it down? "The only reason given me by evolutionists for thier beliefs is that they don't want to believe That they have to live thier lives by rules." What the hell are you talking about? What rules? Humans are natuarlly curious and try to prove something and if there was something that proved evolution takes place I would want to know about it. Again good points. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Fewer famines? Isn't a famine caused by lack of rainfall or some other needed natural event? I don't see how no religion would help get rid of famines...... Aah. Famine. An ever interesting topic that almost deserves a thread of its own. But the short answer is no. Famine is often a symptom, rather than the actual problem (well, it is a problem, mind, just not the problem). The actual problem could be underdevelopment, poor infrastructure, and just about any other problem of governing. But most often it is due to overpopulation. Many developing countries have problems with famines and overpopulation. The two are linked, and so in most places, even where disaster has not already struck, regional government tries to amend the overpopulation problem. Part of this is reducing the birth rate. And what do you think stands in the way of that? Right in one: Religion. China, which sensibly has abolished religion (though that's possibly the only sensible thing they've done), is infact the only developing country that doesn't have issues with local religious leaders over the issue of birth control (there might be a few other countries aswell, but you get the picture). So I think that it is fair to say that religion causes famine. Madnelorian: In case you need to be reminded of the facts, we have an entire thread dedicated to gunning down such pathetic boasts... Now it's been a while since I've read the entire thread, but there are 8 pages, and your arguements are typical of people who don't even have a clue as to what evolution is, so there's a fairly great probability that you'll find your answers there... Unless you decide to keep ranting on regardless of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar So I think that it is fair to say that religion causes famine. Ah, good explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 But if a religious person, (probably a Christian) prays to God for rain, rain will come, because God is a loving and powerful God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigTeddyPaul Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by Izzy But if a religious person, (probably a Christian) prays to God for rain, rain will come, because God is a loving and powerful God! Rain will come because of conensation, atmospheric thing-a-ma-bobs, and other stuff which I don't know because I know next to nothing about this. (Sun-->heat-->wind + geographical elements--> vapor --> cloud absorbtion-->something else--> rain. Don't tempt God. God has the power to say yes and no just like us. One of the temptations that the Devil used against Jesus was to jump off a high place and the angels would save Him. If I pray for the Blues to win the Stanley Cup and ET Warrior prays for the Avs to win does that mean that God does not love me or chooses to ignore me or we have different gods or what. Your statement is flawed. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 I have a feeling he was joking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 I see your point BigTeddyPaul. But I am talking about a black african woman in a drought stricken area. She would not be tempting God in any way, she would be asking for water to survive, and it is no wrong to ask God for things, is it? If this women lives for God and believes in him, he will most probably send rain. He will set your long complex cycle going so rain will reach the black women who asked from her heart some water so she (and possibly family) can survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by Izzy I see your point BigTeddyPaul. But I am talking about a black african woman in a drought stricken area. She would not be tempting God in any way, she would be asking for water to survive, and it is no wrong to ask God for things, is it? If this women lives for God and believes in him, he will most probably send rain. He will set your long complex cycle going so rain will reach the black women who asked from her heart some water so she (and possibly family) can survive. But at the same time, that complex rain cycle which God apparenly sets in motion all by himself, will ensure that a draught will occur in India. Over there, it'll kill around a 100 kids a month. Now, are Indians lesser humans to God? Or is it because they're not Christians? Either way, this is a horrible solution, and only proves why prayer can't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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