griff38 Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 Originally posted by ioshee I know you already said, “cheers all” about the Holy Spirit thing, but I didn’t get a chance to share yet:( The best explanation is that the Holy Spirit is like the force. AHHA! Ok, and I am the only one who noticed Annakin Skywalker was born of an immaculate conception? He is extremely intelligent and superiors to his peers he has special powers etc etc... See where Iam going with this? Jesus was most likely a Jedi! He just was born in a place & time where no one had heard of Jedis so they figured he must be a messiah. But he was just a Midiclorean genrerated force wielder! Good thing he was a Light Jedi. Well, i thought it was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 well free will is just the rite given by god to do what we want, but if we do things they way he suggests we will lead a better life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 Originally posted by daring dueler well free will is just the rite given by god to do what we want, but if we do things they way he suggests we will lead a better life. I think that is by far the best post on this so far. Kudos to you! I remember when my church heard that Anakin didn't have a father and was just suddenly conceived. There was actually some major talk of boycotting the movie. I LAUGHED SO HARD hearing all these adults (19 now) talk ridiculous notions of like writng their regional pastor and picketting theaters. Of course almost everyone told them to get over it, just a movie, and it was not influencing religion. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 18, 2003 Author Share Posted March 18, 2003 I spent hours on posts in the other thread to, I even went down a rank after deleating it. But there was too much dumb stuff in it. mostly Paul and Outcast. Well since almost anything can be considered a "flame" then I'll have to be more specific, I won't insult anyone too harshly. but it's not like you had any good points in there anyway Paul. I mean, you didn't have one scrap of biblically supported evidence. and I certainly wasn't loosing, and you certainly werent wining, You NEVER disproved what I said. and all that ballony about Judging people and the plank in the eye. like I havn't heard that a million times. And the whole my ignoring shock... paleeeeeeeeesseee and the nitpickyness of my spelling....... you sound like a mom. there was just toooooo much CRAP. and if you don't like it I just might do it again. My spelling is also particularily bad over the intenet cuz I type fast and carelessly. now about free will, do you have any biblical support for any of your arguments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 DON'T pick a fight, because I will end it. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 (Restrained) Soooo wannt to bash him. Mussstt resssist. Aw screw it. Resistance is futile.' It would be nice to show you proof of my points BUT YOU DELETED THE THREAD!!!!! They must have been good enough for you to delete them. I only started the whole losing thing after that one time when I told you I wouldn't reply to you anymore on the subject because neither one of us was budging. You said I was losing and in man terms you were calling me out. And since men pride themselves on (pauses) their pride I had to continue the whole "you are losing" thing. If I didn't disprove what you said you sure didn't disprove what I said. It is a moot (is that how you spell that?) point. If you've heard that whole plank in the eye a million times maybe people are trying to tell you something. If you do delete another thread again I can almost guarantee you we will hate you and not talk to you. People are still a little ticked off that you deleted the other thread. You still owe me 30 points! That is about as flame free as I could make it. Hope that is good enough. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 I understand your frustration, about Mandolorian deleting the thread, but please, let it go. As soon as I get points, i'll pay back whatever you lost if you'd forget this whole thing. It's a thorn in my butt the size of Texas. I hate folks fightin on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 18, 2003 Author Share Posted March 18, 2003 disprove what you said? you didn't prove what you said! I deleted it cuz it got outa hand, not cuz I felt I was loosing. you must have based that on past experience. No one was loosing or wining, I posted three verses which stated my point, then you posted the whole section which "Aperently" was supposed to disprove what I said, then I backed it up with the key phrase of the verse which YOU neglected to mention in your summary. Which is that God has to call us. If "...By the Father who calls us." doesn't mean he has to call us, then what does it mean? The only way to heaven is throught the Father who calls us, but he doesn't nessicarily have to call us? I don't think so, And niether do alot of Scholars, Pastors, and Teachers. I find your posts to be mostly philisofical, and in almost no way biblically supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 I said my peace at the beginning of the thread. He starts it back up again. All my posts (besides the first one and a sentence where I learned I lost my points) have said nothing more on the matter. I let it go but he must keep bringing it up. By the way Obi you must have a huge posterior if you have a thorn that big in it. Edit: the post above me was posted before i wrote this. I am leaving this to Obi. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 Originally posted by BigTeddyPaul By the way Obi you must have a huge posterior if you have a thorn that big in it. My posterior is none of your business! Edit: the post above me was posted before i wrote this. I am leaving this to Obi. Thanks. Seriously, if you're gonna argue your points, do it in an adult manner. If you want to fight, do it in PM's. No one wants to read a bunch of Bolshevik about simple arguments. Please Mandolorian and Paul, do that somewhere else. I don't care who started what, but please, let by gones be by gones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 18, 2003 Author Share Posted March 18, 2003 Yah your right, the bickering will stop here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 18, 2003 Author Share Posted March 18, 2003 I think most people believe in free will cuz it's easer. It's easy to misinterpert the Bible, and it's easy to be led astray. But even if youve read the Bible many times, reading it more will help you see things that you didn't see before, and the only real way to find the truth is through the Bible. A good exercise on free will is to read the book of ROMANS three times within a week. Reading it that fast over and over in such a short time, will really make things clearer that you didn't see before. And Paul I told you what kind of a Christian I was, and I'm curiouse to know what kind you are. If your not too upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Unlike Paul, I will resist the temptation to flame... I will just say this... :mad: :mad: :mad: Very insulted that you think so little of ignoring me that you respond to it with a rather snotty "paleeeeeeeeesseee".... Anyway... Bible verses aside... you claim that we have no free will, correct? That means that god is choosing to make me question his existence? Furthermore, he is choosing for the rapist to rape the little girl, the social worker to help the homeless, and the stockbroker selling his shares of Enron (an act of divine intervention, indeed!). Everything that we do, you say, is the result of God conciously willing it to be. I mean, he wills that one specific act? If you believe anything other than that, then we still have free will... How would you respond to that? (oh, I forgot, you ignore me...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 If I understand what he says correctly it goes like this: We don't have free will because God at any time can intervene and say no and force us to do something. He chooses not to but because he has the power to do so we have no free will. I think that is what he says. At least that is how I have tried to understand what he says. Concerning my religion: I am inbetween. I have been raised Assemlies of God and have been to many other denominations most notably a stinit for a year at a Baptist church. I do not agree with AoG principles so I have choosen to distance myself from their denomination. Things I do not understand or agree with: Speaking in tongues. At my church people freely spoke in tongues during prayer and it was the most oddest thing I ever witnessed. People would literally say, "Hymuil lopel doopa," and that would be their personal communication with God which only they understood. Not trying to rag on AoG guys but I never for a second believed that. ALSO we had this pastor who was not allowed to become a pastor through the AoG program because he was going to be remarried. So what he did was become ordained as a pastor through another denomination and then was allowed to be a pastor at my church because he was an ordained pastor even though AoG wouldn't ordain him because he wouldn't comply with their teachings (ain't run of sentences grand?. So in other words they wouldn't make him a pastor but they would allow him to work as a pastor in one of their churches. No one is going to mess with my women subject? BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Then we have free will. Having the power to do something is not the same thing as actually doing it. I have the power to kill my dog at any time, but I dont. But on this line of thinking, I would be a dog-killer because I have the power to do so. Likewise, we have no free-will because god has the power to make us do something. Doesnt work. See, unless god is contantly excercising that power at every moment, we still have free will. As long as the power is not being used on us, we are free to choose what to do, when to do it, and who to do it with. We stop having free will when he starts using that power. And since god is proposed to be a good, kind, loving god, and this world is messed up in so many ways, I choose to believe that he lets us choose our own fate more than he does it for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 As I said rthat is as best as I could understand it. Don't know if that is what he meant just how I understand how he means it. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Ohhh boy here we go... Originally posted by Mandolorian54 But there was too much dumb stuff in it. mostly Paul and Outcast. I actually disproved your theories and I will do so again later in this post since you ask me to. Is that dumb? Originally posted by Mandolorian54 And the whole my ignoring shock... paleeeeeeeeesseee Just tell us why you ignored him and maybe we'll leave you alone about it. Originally posted by Mandolorian54 and the nitpickyness of my spelling....... you sound like a mom. Just so you know, its very hard to read posts.. tht r tiped like tis. Originally posted by Mandolorian54 now about free will, do you have any biblical support for any of your arguments? Yes and in fact, I will use your own "evidence" to disprove what you said. Watch this. Originally posted by Mandolorian54 I posted three verses which stated my point, then you posted the whole section which "Aperently" was supposed to disprove what I said, then I backed it up with the key phrase of the verse which YOU neglected to mention in your summary. I'm about to include them. Since you so brightly deleated the thread, I find it hard to remember them but I think I do. Originally posted by Mandolorian54 If "...By the Father who calls us." doesn't mean he has to call us, then what does it mean? The only way to heaven is throught the Father who calls us, but he doesn't nessicarily have to call us? Ok first off, you're taking PART of ONE verse in the ENTIRE Bible to try and say we don't have free will? Second, thats not what were saying. One of your verses talked about sinful people not being able to come to God, for God does not want sin. (((It would be a lot easier to do this if you actually poted your verses over again.))) Speaking in theory... If God does not want sin, why would he call the sinners to him? Simple. I've said this around five times so far. GOD EXTENDS HIS HAND TO THEM. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT!!! THAT IS FREE WILL. THEY CAN EITHER ACCEPT HIS EXTENDED HAND, OR REJECT IT. How hard is that to comprehend? Now, I think we both agree that God extends his hand to EVERYONE, correct? Well, If EVERYONE in the world HAD to accept it because we don't have free will, THERE WOULD BE NO SIN. NO BAD PEOPLE. Do you understand? You say that, once God extends his hand, we HAVE to take it. If this was true, we would live in a perfect world because everyone would be following God. And remember, we both agree that God extends his hand to everyone. And you want Biblical proof? Check out "freewill offerings." Check them out. They're talked about a ton in Exodus and Leviticus. Also, please explain this to me since you have your pamphlet of all-knowing. In Genesis, God created humans for companionship, correct? Why would he want that companionship to go astry and become sinful? He would, because it hurts him. So, why would he (since you think we have no free will) why would he force Eve to eat the fruit, knowing full well what would happen to the human race? Huh? Why would he FORCE them to sin, which he does not like in fact he cries everytime we do it? If it wasn't by ADAM AND EVES CHOICE, it doesn't make sense that God would FORCE them to do that, does it? Originally posted by Mandolorian54 I think most people believe in free will cuz it's easer. It's easy to misinterpert the Bible, and it's easy to be led astray. And you think that a man, with the same Bible as us, who wrote a pamphlet that you look at, have more "knowledge" of God's plan for us? I think not. Originally posted by Mandolorian54 If your not too upset. Don't do this again. Don't try to make people mad. Mandolorian, since you seem to have a problem with actually responding to peoples posts, read this and then RESPOND to it. Last time I posted something in the other thread, you skipped over it and said things like "oh reborn you're acting like a child." Should I just assume that my points in my posts were to good for you to counter? If this is not true, then QUOTE MY POST AND RESPOND TO THE ENTIRE THING!!! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 pwned!!!11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 The redness BURNS! I am going to pull a Rhett where I run in, look around, run out, and then say what I feel like saying so the Obi's buttocks become smaller from all the swelling. I don't remember if this was in the thread that was deleted or not but you said that Emperor Constantine founded Christianity. You are wrong. Constantine legalized Christianity and made it the religion of the land but he did not found it. Paul or Peter (little of both and people argue who actually did found it. My vote is Paul) founded Christianity based on the works, life, and laws that Christ gave us. People were still considered Jews before Paul came and converted them. If this is in another thread that was not deleted tell me and I will place it there. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Im not going to bother with you:) I don't care for what uneducated things you have to say. You must have worked so hard on those long posts too... As for respect of people on this site. I care not. I simply believe we don't have free will and that God is so powerful he can stop us from doing anything and make us do anything. And at times, he does. You believe God can but doesn't. And I won't argue with you, and you are wasting your time. have a nice day Edit: I will say one thing to you Reborn Outcast. I have said many times, but it's not getting through that thick skull of yours, God doesn't make us he let's us. And if you don't believe God can see the futur then your very uneducated. Don't you remember when Jacob and Esaw were born, and God says he knew them before they were born and he knew that Esaw was bad and Jacob was good. Mabee you should read the Bible. just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 I don't care for what uneducated things you have to say. As for respect of people on this site. I care not. Well if you say things like this to other people than of course you are going to get flamed back... This is a discussion forum. Don't you have to respect other people's opinions when you are having a discussion in one of your classes or something? Im sorry Mandy but you are making me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Mandolorian54 Your pathetic. lol. you went to all that trouble, man you have no life. Like you realy think I care for what some nerd has to say. **** your a dumbass. You will die alone Go suck your mom's dick mother ****er! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, isnt this the voice of God manifesting itself...albeit the guy sent this in response to me callin him a shmucktastic dummy*in not so nice words, mind you*, but c'mon. I thought Christians were nice to their fellow man? Hehehe, or does that not apply to 'the average American'? Is God stopping me? No. Theres yer answer about freewill you white collar assclown*Note this flame only goes against Mandolorian. All you other Christians are AOkay wit me:D* EDIT - Added lines so everyone can see the break. Watch Mando boy close this thread too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Originally posted by wassup Mandy Mandy. Hahaha. Oh I love your new location. First it was pimpin on the streets and now it is keepin da asses tapped. Very nice. Is that a joke too that you saw on a shirt? This is not meant as a flame. Mandalorian: I have no respect for you. It is not because of your beliefs. It is not because of your deleting the thread. It is not because you are pimping the streets. It is because you are disrespetful. You expect us to care about your ideas and respond to them yet you do not hold this ideal to yourself. I don't know why you choose to ignore peoples posts. Maybe it is because they have some valid points and you choose not to acknowledge them? Maybe you don't know the truth yourself? I don't know. What I do know is that time and time again you have proven yourself to by immature and rude. Have a fun life because from here on in I am ignoring you. Even if you write that the Devil is Jesus I will not respond to any of your comments. I have nothing more to say to you. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 People, this has gone way out of hand. Again. You can tear each other's throats out offline, but while on this forum, you will respect each other. It's ok to not like each other. It's ok not wanting to reply to each other. It's not ok to go for the man instead of the argument. I'll close this thread. I don't like doing it, but until you guys get the message, I'll have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 This also happens to be my last warning. One more, just ONE, and the participants who misbehave will be banned. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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