Guybrush122 Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 A couple of days ago...I think Wednesday...I went to school the way I always do. I got up. Showered. Did my hair. Got dressed. De-odorized myself/put some sexy, sexy, cologne on. Ate breakfast. And walked to school. Only thing different about me from other days was that I was wearing a camo shirt on which I had written "**** the USA -- No War!". Now, to give you a little background...there are these jockey, ****ing patriotic, pro-war, ****-heads who are in my same gym class. These kids have been pushing me around and spitting on me (I hate fighting, so I don't unless I defend myself...plus these guys are twice my size and on the wrestling team) because I've been wearing, like most of my anti-war brethrin, a bandana around my arm. That, in my school, signifies sympathy for all the people who have died in the war so far. American and Iraqi. Now these kids, obviously, are *******s, and I wasn't thinking about them or their reaction to my shirt when I made it. So...here's how the day went. Fifth period I have off with my friend Edmee (I just call her Ezz or Ezzie) and we usually go get lunch and hang out in front of the art room. Well, Ezzie was waiting outside the lunch room for me to get my food and when I came out and we started walking to our spot, she told me that those gym ****holes where talking about me like "Oh yeah. I'm gonna ****ing beat the sh*t outta him." "F*cking kid wears a shirt like that. Lets jump him." "Yeah, and tug on his shirt." etc. etc. etc. So I just laughed because when I walked out they were dead silent. But seventh period...during gym...one of the kids got the balls to tug at my shirt. No big deal. Just an immature dick. Well, me and Ezzie (shes in my gym class too) left early to go get a drink from the vending machine. We usually do this. After we got a drink for ourselves we headed for the stairs to go up to our global class (yeah, I have fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth period with Ezzie...go figure) but these f*ckheads followed. There were at least three or four. Well, as we were walking down the hall to our class they started drilling me about why I hate America and **** like that. They told me to "Take the f*cking shirt off or I'll beat the **** out of you." Well when I got into my global class the dicks marched in and STILL proceeding with their immature ****...and they were joined by some ****head named Jared who thought that if "I hated the country so much, I should just leave." Yeah, right. Leave. Cause I can, right? F*ck, man, I'm a minor with no money or job and I'm not about to leave my family or friends behind. Anyway. After the day was over (finally---I had to wait in my global class to be escorted by a security guard down to ninth period) I went to bed thinking it was going to stop. Yeah well, all through thursday and friday they gave me sh*t. Spitting on me and things like tha...and a lot of threats. Now, this makes me wonder, just a little bit....telling me if that I don't like America I'm gonna get my ass kicked...isn't that just a little fascist? JUST A LITTLE? I mean, f*ck, they think they're doing something PRO-AMERICAN, supposing America is for freedom of speach?. They're trying to silence me for my belief. Didn't somone else do that? A whole organization, in fact? Oh, what were they called again? Oh yeah -- the Nazis. It seems that these kids, who break numerous crimes, act in a fascist way, and show no respect to anything that breathes....have a sense of patriotism and feel it their duty to beat me because I happen to think for myself. Any body else see some sort of weird irony in that? Well screw them. My opinion stands...shirt or no shirt....I ****ing hate America. Can't change that opinion by making me take off my shirt or by beating me up. Anyway, the situation is taken care of. I'm going to see the teacher who handles this **** tomorrow. And if that doesn't work, I have a lot of kids who'll fight by my side. To boil it down: I posted this to make everyone think about stuff like this. So, assuming America truley is a land of freedom, if you feel like beating the **** outta someone because of their belief or because they don't like America...then how **** can you call yourself a ****ing "American", you piece of Nazi ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 Maybe you shouldn't be such a obnoxious and flamboyant martyr about it. Wearing a shirt like that makes you a walking target, much like the "targets" I'd love to hit that have been blocking crosswalks and making me late to goddamn work. Wearing a bandana on your arm is also retarded, generally speaking. It was something radical socialists did, if I remember correctly as did some members of the, ironically enough to your post, German Workers Party. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with protesting, in fact it's sometimes commendable. Just don't do in places where it's pointless, like say, school. Or the Oscars. It might also be more than just what you wear, but how you act and others like you act. Many protesters around Seattle tend to be disruptive, obnoxious assholes, and if I didn't know you at all then I'd have no choice but to judge you by that standard. Plus, if you're known as a geek or whiner in addition.. sorry man, you're just making things too easy. I didn't support this war, but as the Seattle liberal bleeding hearts roll on, I've had no choice but to grow closer to supporting Bush. Hell, after nearly getting fired as the result of a march making me 3 hours late, I was tempted to get on a damn jet to the Middle East and fight the war myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 wearing a shirt saying fuck the usa is a protest, but it's protesting to no one. bush isn't going to see it, saddam isn't going to see it, the only people who'r going to see it are the people around you who can't make a difference. i know that you feel strongly about this and i respect that. i also respect that fact that freedom of speech is something that you hold closely and feel you have a right to, which you do. but at the end of the day, all your doing is bringing attention to yourself. it's like those preachers on the street, they shout and sing, but only bring attention to themselve and a lot of people either ignor them, or laugh at them. but yes, i understand why your angry, you have as much of a right to wear whatever you want without being annoyed about it, but remember, thos 'Nazi's' have beliefs of there own and may think that your just parading your beliefs around whilst they have their own. it seems that they are very patriotic where as you are not and there is nothing wrong with that, but it a conflict was bound to happen sooner or later and i think that by wearing that T-shirt, you started this off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 gb has the right to walk around with a protest shirt, bandana, underware, anything he wants, and if an adult does/say anything to prevent him from doing so he can and must sue him (i dunno about the us, but i bet its just like that). since hes in middle school (arent u?) the worst u could do to those asses is talk to the principal (and u should). protesting requires bravery because protestants will ALWAYS find fanatics that share the opposite opinion, like mercatfat. well guess wot, i do protest in "useless places" like my school and the oscars () (isnt taht an oximoron "protest in useless places"? ) i went to the protest in São Paulo (my city) to the US embassy, and when that dude threw a rock in the building, i got the megaphone and asked him to be coherent with our cause or just leave (never seen my parents so proud of me when i got home, aparently the protest appeared in the news). like that guy said (forgot his name. damn, i hate when this happens): "letting the others know one's opinions is humanity's greats gift" btw, im sorry mercatfat, i just cant understand how one can be so prepotent. y dont call the us govt and ask them to stop the war so u can go to your work? y ddnt u, as u said yourself, go to the war and fight it yourself? maybe that would make you more mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 i'm not saying he shouldn't protest if he feels strongly about it, but there are certain questions you need to ask yourself before you do so, like will this create problems that i won't be able to fix and if it does, then is this protest really worth it? by all means protest at school, or on the street or in the toilet, whatever, but it seems as if this was destined to caused a problem with these a-holes so you must ask youself if it was really worth wearing that t-shirt to fight against the war in a place where it really wont make much of a difference if it just brings you problems? i'm not against you protesting, this needs to be done more (by people who actually feel strongly about this and don't just want an excuse to cut class as i've seen some do), but try putting the pro's against the cons and seeing whether it all adds up, or have you been chasing a wild goose into the realms of hell? (i made that up ) (BTW, the toilet thing was a joke, i wasn't mocking you in anyway, before you get the wrong idea ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiKo Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 this might sound dumb, but i would try talking to them... ask them why they think America is so great... I bet they wont know the answer to it...they're just acting up on their ego, i doubt they really have a political opinion... just like the morons in my school...they always go like "the only good Arab is a dead arab" or talk about how great Israel is..(it's not)....but when asked why they think so, they just mumble something and then realise they dont know why they think so..i guess it's just cool for them to stand up for their country....too bad they dont know what they are standing up for and just follow the herd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 Originally posted by NiKo this might sound dumb, but i would try talking to them... ask them why they think America is so great... I bet they wont know the answer to it... well, i dont think they ll just go "oh, your right, sorry to ever bother". they will probably just say something really childish like "i know y america is great, but i dont wanna tell you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 Actually it'd probably be more along the lines of "Because here I can kick your ass and not have my hands cut off as punishment." or something equally semi-racist yet semi-amusing. If you flat out hate America, you're a retard and incredibly ignorant. As you get older and more mature, you'll realize that everywhere sucks but some places suck less than others. I mean, would you really want to live in a country like Ethiopia or Brazil? How about under complete opression like China? Actually, Ethiopia might a decent place to live. Yes, some Americans are assholes. Guess what: The UK has them too. So does Canada. So does the rest of Europe. And hey, so does the whole entire goddamn world. Don't let people like me ruin an entire country for you. There are so many wonderful things about this country and every place I've been around it, from Seattle to Phoenix, Detroit to Los Angeles. There's so much culture, so much style, so much fun. Admittedly, I avoid the Bible Belt and other places in the Deep South like the plague, but that's because my drive in life is happiness and laughter, where there just isn't much of from what I've seen when I flip past CMT occasionally. Make the best of wherever you are. That's the key to happiness. You're still so young and inexperienced in life, add that on top of the fact you wore a shirt with fuck on it. No adults will ever take you seriously, especially not with your attitude and thus your protesting just comes off as mindless bitching, rendering you easily picked on. Fact of Life: If you really think your life sucks, it's probably your own damn fault. Do something about it. Right now you have bigger things to worry about than war, for example, your personal safety, grades, and finding a friend that isn't made up. Focus all that negative energy on making people at your school not hate you and suceeding in your classes. Your quality of life will improve dramatically without all that excess stress. Although you'll vehemently deny it, you'll wise up a lot about these kinds of things as you get older and more mature and also as you start looking at things as a whole, which your total hatred of America shows that you obviously aren't. Just trust me on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Originally posted by mercatfat I mean, would you really want to live in a country like Ethiopia or Brazil? **cough** Al lives in Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 he knows it neil, hes just assuming i hate america, so hes trying to be witty. Originally posted by mercatfat If you flat out hate America, you're a retard and incredibly ignorant. As you get older and more mature, you'll realize that everywhere sucks but some places suck less than others. I mean, would you really want to live in a country like Ethiopia or Brazil? How about under complete opression like China? as i said, hes one of those stupid fanatcis i mentioned earlier wot makes u think i hate amercia? i love america, i have many american friends, ive lived in Boston and New York, and ive been to California, Florida, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Texas, u name it. And because i love america so much, i hate to see it in a free fall thx to a crappy govt and overly patriotic ppl (i mean it, when in Boston, look for Jay Severin's program - i think its 97.9) Im not one of those stupid fanatics, i just disagree with the war. mercatfat has a point though, the key is happiness. u ll just have to ask youself if protesting makes u happy. (btw, not protesting because ppl may not respect u is bull****) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 actually i was under the assumption that when mercatfat was saying "If you flat out hate America, you're a retard and incredibly ignorant. As you get older and more mature, you'll realize that everywhere sucks but some places suck less than others. I mean, would you really want to live in a country like Ethiopia or Brazil? How about under complete opression like China?" he was talking to Guybrush and not addressing you directly, but simply using Brazil, Ethiopia and China as examples which i think is slightly wrong as it is slightly contradictory. the whole of Brazil is not a bad place to live and you have to remember what it offers us (i was refering more to the rainforest, and yes, i'm well aware that they're knocking that down which is bad, but it is still thyere and still in brazil). what i mena is, the way your talking, it's as if you hate all of brazil altogether when really, it's only the bad part opf brazil you should hate, as it is only the bad part of america you should hate and only the bad parts opf the world you should hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 i dunno, the whole brazil thing sounded weird enough to let me suspect . i mean, there are 207 countries, wot are the odds? bsides, its says right there in location that im from brazil. and last but not least, gb is american, y would he hate his country? btw neil, the time ive been to the US i noticed a lot of ppl do the same mistake. its not the brazilians that are destroying the rainforest. how many trees do u think a redneck from Amazon can put down? we are talking bout multinational industries illegally taking hundreds of trees per month. In 2001, Brazil spent millions of dollars + corruption (heres your bad part of brazil ) on protecting those forest. Since 1999, 3 companies that were acting illegally in the amazon forest have been shut down and expelled from brazil, one russian, one american and one german (btw, the german govt was the only one to actually do something against their company). Last year the Itamaraty and the Brazilian Space Program sent a high-tech stationary satelite to monitor an area that covers most of brazilian side of the rain forest, some of the colombian side and a lil of the venezuelan side. Its very sensitive, and can detec lil moviments such as convoys of illegal trucks. Also, the colombian govt is always trying to arrange with the brazilian govt to use it agains the FARC, something the US govt doesnt want to, not sure y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Ugh, let me clear some things up since poorly formed assumptions based on what someone else said is part of what annoys me about most liberals. The Brazil thing was a joke, period. It was just there to make fun of Al because I didn't want to insult him directly. I didn't think he hated America, I just wanted to do something other than insult his apparent complete lack of common sense and intelligence since that's too easy. I'm not being contradictory at all. I'm just saying that you could live in way worse places than America which is undeniably true. There's so much opportunity here, so many places, so many cultures, so much to do, and above all else, you're free to explore it. It should be pretty damn obvious that it's not just those 3 countries I mentioned that are worse off than America and I'd hope that you'd be intelligent enough to extend a statement like that to that level. That's not assuming, it just means I shouldn't have to list 189 countries and give specific reasons on why each wouldn't be as nice of a place to spend your life. Like I said, there are nice places in every country and there are crap places in every country. America has more nice places than crap, and even the crap usually has plenty of nice laced in with it. It's all a matter of finding it and making the best of it. I guess I am a fanatic since I like my country. Or something. Why don't you explain, Al? Because I sure as hell can't. Also, Guybrush made it flamingly clear that he hates America. Finally: "btw, not protesting because ppl may not respect u is bull" Way to miskew my meaning. It's not an issue of respect, it's an issue of him being what, 15? 14? Despite what you may tell yourself, no respectable adult is going to take your protest seriously when you're still young, confused and hormonal. Since apparently all you're doing is making people hate you, your protest is pointless. That's not an oxymoron. The fact is this: You're young and you still don't know what real life is like. Bush isn't going to pull out of Iraq just because some 5 year olds held candles and said things that their parents fed to them. In your case, he's not going to listen to a teen because teens tend to roll with the pack and say what everyone else they're friends with says. That's why those other people go against you and why you spout tired anti-war rhetoric. Is it a stereotype? Yes. But all stereotypes have some ground in reality. Even if you did form your own, personal, informed opinion based on both the left and the right, adults will still assume you heard it from someone else that you respect and just follow it because want to be like them. Sorry, fact of life. Wait till you're grown up a bit. If everyone who is anti-war was wearing bandanas on their arms including you, then it shows that you have a teenage mob mentality and fall into that stereotype. Whoops. Don't assume I'm pro-war either, because I'm not. I do, however, support the troops and I believe that the US has handled itself extremely well. Fun how the Boom video said that there were 500,000 predicted civilian casualties yet thanks to how well we've done things it's not even close. Less than 1% of that, in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 With all due respect, GB122, your post had too much profanity in it for me to even get through it. I don't understand why censoring does not work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 see neil, i told u he was trying to be witty. to make things simpler: 1- drop the "im superior" talk, thats wot annoys me most. 2- IMO, u r the one with poorly formed assumptions 3- Originally posted by mercatfat If you flat out hate America, you're a retard and incredibly ignorant Originally posted by mercatfat I didn't think he hated America, I just wanted to do something other than insult his apparent complete lack of common sense and intelligence since that's too easy. 4- so, u r saying u r not gonna insult my "complete lack of common sense and intelligence". Oh, u just did. y dont u say, "u r all dumb and im god" and get this over with? (since this is clearly wot u think) 5- i never said america was the worse place to live. dont u read my posts? 6- i know u ddnt mean that only those 3 countries are worse than america. i never said that either. again, dont u read my posts? 7- America has more nice places than crap, and even the crap usually has plenty of nice laced in with it. Have u ever lived outside america? 8- I guess I am a fanatic since I like my country. Or something. Why don't you explain, Al? Because I sure as hell can't. sure i ll explain y i think u are fanatic? its easy, u think america is the best place to live. i m not fanatic cause i understand how my contry works, wots bad and wots good, ive lived in Italy, USA and been in many countries of the world. i can write a 100 pages essay comparing each and every segment of my country and comparing it to every other country ive been. u on the other hand is just like "america is the best, period". thats just as much fanaticism as "catholicism is the best, perido". i love america and it really does have many good aspects, but u have to understand that other countries have many better aspects, starting by your freedom. 9- i dont know, y dont u ask him? guybrush, do u hate america? 10- even though ppl that dont take younger ones seriously are little-minded asses, u have a point. most ppl in the world are lil-minded asses 11- just notice something interesting. u r assuming im way younger than u. well, guess wot, i do know wot real life is, and i have work, i vote, i drive, and i express my opinions. 12- If everyone who is anti-war was wearing bandanas on their arms including you, then it shows that you have a teenage mob mentality and fall into that stereotype. u r assuming that only teens are against the war. 13- US and brittish troops have done well, and thats quite a relief. but ppl have died, damages have been made, and there have been many losses. and it wasnt against saddam (u know that), saddam is just a consequence, there are much easier ways of getting saddam. the us needs the oil and the american ppl still need revenge. ive lived there, i know how bad ppl wanted revenge. IMO, its a subconscious feeling. and in the end, the us is just gonna put some xiita as president that will eventually turn iraq against the US (aka Talibam, Osama, Saddam, etc.) btw, the same was supposed to happen in Brazil, Chile and the Phillipines, but we managed to get rid of our dictators. 14- the whole area should b remaped, as i think u all know. too bad its not that simple and the UN completelly useless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 I've got to side with Mercat on thisone, especially since Al's arguments were, essentially, utter tripe. Mercat never said that America is the best place to live in the world, period. He merely stated that there are many worse places to live. Oh, and the way you insulted Al, Mercat? Sheer genius . Sure as heckfire brought a smile to my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 against me again, eh feral? very original so u liked the way he insulted me? see, i was right. i told u we had some unfinished business, i knew u werent able to forget the last fight, specially after i found out u were flaming me in the other forums and clicking on "disapprove" for every single one of my posts. come on man, weve talking through pm, cant u get over it? as i said to u in that last pm: if u cant put that behind u, just forget me. stop brooding over this hatred u have toward me, otherwise u r just gonna keep bringing this up in the forum and end up with an ulcer. btw, even though u, feral, see this as a fight between me and mercatfat, i see it as a healthy debate. and i guess mercatfat feels the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Well, you could certainly stand to make it easier to not hate you. For example, if you want to try to make intelligent statements, you might want to try typing in decypherable english devoid of words like 'wot'. Typos will happen, don't get me wrong, but this is a message board, not a chat room. Slow down. If you think I'm miskewing your posts, maybe it's your own fault. Then again, I never said anything about you hating America, so I wonder how clearly you're reading. I think I made it outrageously clear that I don't think America is the best place in the world to live, so please, don't be a retard. When I'm supporting how wonderful this country is, however, I'm telling guybrush, not you, why he shouldn't be such a closed-minded dumbass in how he hates America. I don't 'assume' that only teens are against the war. Duh. That isn't the point. The point is, within a school setting, when teens gang up (as they often do, especially when it's against authority) and do something like all of them wearing bandanas on their arm, they lose their impact due to the teen mob mentality stereotype. Also, about the whole oil thing, I suggest you read this. Spinsanity is wonderful. It's completely non-biased reason to rhetoric, both pro and anti war. Also consider how little oil Iraq actually has. If we wanted oil, we'd just colonize Venezula where it's already profitable. Also, although I prefaced that one paragraph with your quote, Guybrush was the intended target of it, with the secondary function being to disprove your statements. Hence this sentence: "It's not an issue of respect, it's an issue of him being what, 15? 14?" Since I established him as the subject of the paragraph in that sentence, all further statements within were meant for him. Notice also how my uses of you and your had nothing to do with what you, being Al, said, but rather were talking about things Guybrush said. Example: "If everyone who is anti-war was wearing bandanas on their arms including you..." Also on that sentence, if you miskewed "everyone" to mean "every protestor ever", that was a mistake. "Everyone" was meant to mean "every person at your school"*. I thought you might be able to figure this out since it's obviously not a popular method of protest around the country, but I guess I shouldn't expect you to be able to look at things for more than face value. *even so, this is still a blanket statement. To clarify even further, if just a few people, even as little as 4 or 5, were to all wear the arm bandana at your school, you still lose due to the mob mentality stereotype. Actually, as I said earlier, most adults will assume that, as a young teen, no matter what you do you're just copying someone else you respect in a misguided bid to seem cooler to them. I know this from experience and studying the habits of teachers and adults at the 3 unique high schools I've attended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Originally posted by mercatfat If you flat out hate America, you're a retard and incredibly ignorant. As you get older and more mature, you'll realize that everywhere sucks but some places suck less than others Ignorent to hate America? In my opinion, no offense ment, but that phrase was a bit ignorent. So your saying that someone in Iraq, that was always taught that America is all snotty and selfish, how are they suppose to know anything else? And if someone has an opinion on something, it makes them a bad person? Now personally, I don't hate America, but I don't love America. I mean, HONESTLY: It's a hunk of land. Why can't we just have an entire world government of people that spend money for causes, and a giant police force that enforces laws to stop people from killing and such. Now as for opresson in China, seriously, I don't think so. Just because China's government is communist, doesn't mean it's rules by a dictator that just wants power and money. It's just a little more "forceful" way of getting whats needed for the people. Like your parents, they lay down the line flat out, so they can help you. Now Lenin only wanted Russia to be communist for the peoples well-being. Then Stalin came around and pretty much made things worse for most people. You see what I'm saying? Just because government is different, doesn't mean that they're doing things wrong. It's the same as people thought of Africans, homosexuals, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COJ Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 I 100% agree with Kjo, some people don't see Americans like others do. Honestly, I think most Americans are a bunch of retards, but some are not, and most people around of the world don't know that, they only see Bush, and start comparing Bush to every single American, which I think is wrong, I've met ALOT of Americans that are very nice, and don't really have the same point of view like their maniac leader! It's like in Iraq, doesn't mean that Saddam controls the people there, that we have to start insulting the enitre Iraqi population.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabb Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Originally posted by Kjølen Ignorent to hate America? In my opinion, no offense ment, but that phrase was a bit ignorent. So your saying that someone in Iraq, that was always taught that America is all snotty and selfish, how are they suppose to know anything else? Are you aware of what "ignorance" actually means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 No, I'm right. It is very ignorant to damn an entire country, be it America or be it France. Read my other posts so I don't have to back that up for a third time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Originally posted by scabb Are you aware of what "ignorance" actually means? Unaware or uninformed, lacking knowledge. Otherwords naive, or in cruel terms stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted April 11, 2003 Share Posted April 11, 2003 Then you'd know that your (made up) views of America by Iraqis are insipidly ignorant, thus proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted April 11, 2003 Share Posted April 11, 2003 My made up view eh? I worded that strange, agreed, I meant something like "If an Iraqi". I never said that ALL or even ANY Iraqis thought of America as that. But there could be some that are, however, moreso up in the government branches, where Saddam Hussien could be an influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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