CurryKing Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 I went on another star wars website and everyone was banging on about how lucky Obiwan was in his duel with Maul. So i was wandering what u guys thought, lucky move to kill Maul? or skillful move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 No i think it was very skillfull, i mean he didn't just try to do it, it was planned and got it perfectly. What might be considered luck is the fact that maul had him in the ropes but got cocky...bad mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurryKing Posted April 16, 2003 Author Share Posted April 16, 2003 Yeah i totally agree, it ws a brilliant move by young Obiwan, but apparrently Maul thought Obiwan was just gonna 'fall to his death'? Very sloppy finishing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 No, I think he got lucky. It was a very disapointing end to a great duel. Maul wouldn't of just stood there like an idiot doing nothing and watch Obi jump over his head. Did Maul suddenly suffer with paralysis or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Originally posted by leXX No, I think he got lucky. It was a very disapointing end to a great duel. Maul wouldn't of just stood there like an idiot doing nothing and watch Obi jump over his head. Did Maul suddenly suffer with paralysis or something? I compltely agree. Another odd thing is that Maul's saber is "off" when obi kills him; but before the jump, it was "on"... strange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 He was lucky that Maul was overconfident, yes. It was, however, a skillful move. Take your pick. Oh btw Darth54, I recall the saber is on before the jump, yes....is it on when obi kills him? I don't remember/can't tell. I do KNOW that the saber is "ON" then turns "OFF" as Maul is falling off the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 in my experience there is no such thing as "luck" - obi-wan obi-wan believes it was a skillful move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle in my experience there is no such thing as "luck" - obi-wan i had forgotten about that line... well maybe he's right, but he might not admit he beat maul out of luck (if he did), anyways no one saw him so he could have told everone he owned him if wanted to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras1310 Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 My perspective is that Obi-wan's maneuver was skillful. However, he was very lucky that Maul chose to knock him into the pit instead of killing him outright. Maul probably could have done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 I think it was luck how he killed Maul. Maul was definitely the superior fighter and it took an incredible move on the part of Obi-Wan to defeat him. Had that scenario not happened and the fight was continued on, I think that Maul would have won.....not easily, but he would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon_sleeper Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 I'd have to go with skill. Of course, a truly skilled warrior knows exactly when to take full advantage of luck, which is what Obi Wan did. Maul found an opening with Qui Gon and fully exploited that opening to kill him. Obi Wan did the exact same thing with Maul. It was skill, because Maul left an opening by not anticipating that move and Obi Wan used that moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 It was a very nice move on Obi's part, but the lucky part of it would have to be Maul's stupidity and cockiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 If y'all will check out Star Wars Insider #62 (which has a great Aayla cover) it has a cool article on the 7 forms of light saber combat. After that article is another about the different types of moves. One of which is sai tok, or cut body in half. Jedi consider the bisection of a living opponent's body a form of butchery, a desecration to be avoided if possible. The savage extreme of sai tok is thus normally used only against battle droids. We see Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi deliver sai tok to many battle droids in Episodes I and II. Sai tok represents a potentially Sith-like desire to destroy one's enemy, whereas the Jedi goal even in combat is an inner focus on defeating the danger of opponents rather than hating them and wishing utter destruction upon them. Theres a picture of Maul falling down the shaft and the text on the pictures reads: Obi-Wan Kenobi resorted to sai tok to kill Darth Maul, a brutal move that arose partly from Obi-Wan's rage at Maul's murder of Qui-Gon Jinn. Now the question arrises, where did the other "part" of the rage come from? The true question we should be asking isn't if Obi-Wan was lucky or not, but how closley was he walking with the dark side? Prehaps Maul could feel Obi-Wan struggling with his rage and was distracted with thoughts of turning him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdude201 Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 I agree that it wasn't a fluke as it would be hard to kill a sith lord and obi was strong enough to defeat him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Random, you just brought up some very excellent points! I think he was getting closer than he had been because of all his rage at Maul, but I also think that Obi never really got that close to the dark side in all his life. From what I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras1310 Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 Original Quote: "Obi-Wan Kenobi resorted to sai tok to kill Darth Maul, a brutal move that arose partly from Obi-Wan's rage at Maul's murder of Qui-Gon Jinn." Quote from Random: "Now the question arrises, where did the other "part" of the rage come from?" I don't agree with your interpretation here. To me, there is no other "part" to his rage. It seems to mean that Obi-wan had various reasons for using sai tok, one of which was his anger. I think one of those other reasons would sheer desperation: he did not have a lot of time to select a killing move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptille00 Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 Where can I read about the 7 forms of lightsaber combat...as in a webpage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 Ras1310, I guess I could have worded it a little different than I did. I was thinking of how it was a similar situation that Luke faced in ROTJ vs Vader. They both briefly gave into their rage, battled back and won the fight, but at the cost of taking a step closer to the dark side. In both cases, our heros were unable to defeat evil without being lured toward its power and tainted by its use. An interesting comparison making I was. MasterReptile, I don't know of a place online that has the article. Its copyrighted material, so I don't want to post the whole thing here. You could, if you have an extra 6 bucks buy the back issue from http://www.paizopublishing.com/swinsider.shtml (look in the Purchase Back Issues link). Its issue 62. Go head and get the subscription, its a great magazine. They have lots of information on the movies, EU, games, and behind the scenes, EP3 updates, and a great Answers to Your Star Wars Questions section. Such as "Why did Jango hire Zam to kill Padme? Why didn't he do it himself?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo-LaGrande Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I think it was skill even iff maul did block that attack i think he still would have lost think about it obi could beat darth vader the only reason he lost was to let luke run away and vader can kill dooku and dooku is better then maul but then again he was not as skillful back then so maybe it was luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Originally posted by boinga1 He was lucky that Maul was overconfident, yes. It was, however, a skillful move. Take your pick. yep, i agree! though i do wonder why mual just stood there. ? if you watch it frame by frame on the dvd, he just casually watches obi jump over him. he knows its coming, so why doesn't he do anything about it.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 remember that maul thought obi-wan was defenceless, so maul was amazed that obiwan jumped directly at him in a seemingly suicidal move. also, could he have held maul still with the force ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obiwan80 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 It was skillful move by obiwan, darth maul was overconfident, and start playing with obiwan. Darth maul was too cocky after defeating obiwans master Guigon, he tought obiwan to be piece of cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCords Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 What CoupeS said in the 2nd post explains my POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.K Luke Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 one thing I don't understand is that how Quin-Gon Jinn died in the hands of Darth Maul, I mean Quin was a Jedi Master and I believe his skill would be better than Maul? Or am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 i think jinn relied on form IV to much and did not have good blocking skills that form III has. that is why he died and why obi wan now uses form III, so he won't end up in that situation ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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