Natty Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 He called me last night, sounded like he was still in shock, he got beaten up on Commercial Road (nightclub area for gays) by about 5 or 6 guys and they stole his mobile. Apperantly he said he was outside one of the clubs talking to one of his friends sitting in the gutter (why I don't know, he has a habit of doing that) when one of the people must have kicked him in the head or something. They demanded his mobile phone and obviously he said no so they beat the crap out of him So he ran into one of the nightclubs to get his friends and they went outside looking for the simcard hoping they'd chucked it and one guy was like "yeah I found a simcard, I put it in my pocket" and it must have been one of the guys that bashed him coz when he reached into his pocket and pulled his hand out, my friend got punched. Also my friend said that there must have been a stabbing or another sort of attack on Chapel Street (Chapel crosses over Commercial Road) which is also a nightclub spot (not gay though) because police and ambulences were there and some guy looked like his lip had been sliced off like a bottle was shoved in his face or something. My friend said the police said they must have been gay bashers How can anyone do this? Not just to gay people but to other people in general? It's horrible, no one deserves to be beaten because of sexuality or race or colour. It's horrible and uncalled for. Why should other people's lives be ruined by some *insert abusive language* who are probably druggies or some other form of scumbag that are looking for ways to make a quick buck. Those sort pf people make me sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I understand gay-bashers and I do not think all of them are scum. I cannot defend their violent action which is wrong and so they are wrong. But they're understandable and it wouldn't take much for a normal person to become a gay-basher. In general just gays giving them a hard time for their beleifs that it's wrong and stuff WILL lead to it. Daniel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Oh please don't start, you can't seriously sit their and think that just because someone’s gay, they deserve to be ridiculed for it. Like I and loads of other people have said before, it's a way of life, and half the time, people don't choose it, it chooses them. I don't care if you like or don't like gay people, but that does not give you the right to go bashing them about all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted May 6, 2003 Author Share Posted May 6, 2003 He's serious hunny, I just tune out, I don't really think his opinion counts anyway. I know lots of people who don't approve of gay people but they wouldn't abuse them or bash them or anything. Besides, the issue is not that he's gay but the fact that one of my best friends got bashed, had his head kicked in by 5 or 6 people and had his mobile phone stolen. Oh and also the fact he could have been stabbed or killed but luckilly he wasn't. Oh and Mek for starters he was minding his own business, he was on the phone to a friend, how does that make him giving straight people a hard time? He has lots of straight friends. I'm straight remember? Actually I'm not I'm bisexual (or so I tell everyone and everyone believes me ) but none of his straight friends go and bash him. He's never had a nasty word to say about straight people at all, other than how can guys have sex with females, which I think is lovely I think I'll start bashing people who smell funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Yeah, thats true, there was really no good reason for your friend to get beaten up. I guess arse holes are just like that, they beat people up and steal their stuff because they think it's fun (I know people like that, unfortunately, but unfortunately, if I told them to stop, they'd probably do the same to me, so I just keep out of it as much as I can (up until the point when they do it to a friend or something)). I really feel sorry for you and your friend, there is really no call for that, but tat's the world we live in. You have my condolences, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 sorry for your friend, thats really awfull. i have plenty of friends who were beaten my arses on the streets, and they werent gay. i mean, that kinda scum is impotent to do everything else, they are immature and need self-confidence, so they go out with a bunch of other impotent and immature guys looking for some1 (alone, cause they are too afraid to actually engage in a real fight) for them to beat up. btw, i think we can all just ignore meks comments in this topic, i mean, he cant be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yufster Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Mek, I appreciate that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but wouldn't you think about yours? There's nothing to understand about gay bashers. I'm athiest, and I live in a country where the only academic schools are run by catholic orders. This means that I either conform to catholic ways or attend a non academic school, which would ensure my future went nowhere and I would have trouble getting into college. I have to do Catholic Religion classes, take a Religion Exam and when I protest, I'm given a simple answer, "If you don't want to learn your Religion, go to another school." Which is unfair because, there ARE no other schools. This is oppression and completely unfair. It's the closest example I can think of any type of conflicting gay guy/straight guy relationship. My religion conflicts totally with that of my school and school mates and my entire belief system. But I don't go around bashing catholics up for not being the same as me, or for having different beliefs. Mek, please think about your 'understanding'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by Meksilon I understand gay-bashers and I do not think all of them are scum. I cannot defend their violent action which is wrong and so they are wrong. But they're understandable and it wouldn't take much for a normal person to become a gay-basher. In general just gays giving them a hard time for their beleifs that it's wrong and stuff WILL lead to it. Daniel. You're entitled to your beliefs. But you're telling me gay bashing is understandable and gays giving straight people a hard time for hating gays isn't? I like you. You're funny. Anyway. I won't start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicardoLuigi... Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 i'm really sorry for your friend, did he have any major cranial injuries or anything? if he did, hope he gets better soon. if he didn't, well, still get better from the whole thing. cause i'm sure he was probably really shook by it after it happened, right? i don't think it's fair that people do that. people that have to go around mugging people and beating them up are just stupid, they don't have any reason other than "uh...uhhh...uhhhhhhhhhh..................." and then their brains short circuit and they start drooling, just standing there. so, sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 thats sucks, people can be so cruel. i have a friend who's used to be a policeman. he's a really nice guy and is liked by lots of people. a few months ago him & his girlfriend was walking home after having a meal at a restaurant. they realised they were being followed by a small group of guys. they carried on walking but then there was another group of guys infront of them were walking towards them. the group in front stopped right in front of them and a couple of them started to shout very rude stuff to his girlfriend. meanwhile the second group had caught up and now standing behind them. then they just attacked him, both groups (about 30 guys) for about 30 minutes they beat him. his girlfriend was trying to fight them off but a couple of them just held her back. eventually a police car turned up. but they didn't do anything. his girlfriend manage to break free and run up to the two policeman and asked them to do something, mensioning that he was also a policeman. they said they weren't prepared to do anything until back up arrived (?!!!???) after another 10 minutes a police van turned up which prompted the attackers to make a run for it. he was a bloody mess, he was taken to hospital. realising how out numbered he was, he did the smartest thing which was curled himself into a ball and use his arms to protect himself. he still received two cracked ribs, a broken nose, two black eyes (which comes with a broken nose) a broken jaw and many cuts and bruises, which included a severely bruised brain leading to weeks of dizzy spells and sickness. he was off work for 2 months. they later found out that one of the guys was arrested for shop lifting by my friend a few weeks previoulsy and this guy along with his friends had recognised him at the restaurant and quickly arranged all these people to jump him i was very sad when i heard what had happened. and all because he was a policeman. well he isn't anymore, after that and the fact that his 'so-called' workmates just stood there and watched him get beaten to a bloody pulp and that no arrests were made even though they knew who was behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted May 7, 2003 Author Share Posted May 7, 2003 He had a black eye, some bruised ribs and concussion. I'm just glad he wasn't more seriously injured because he ran off down the street and into a club (I guess to alert bounces/security so they could call the police) He's been one of my closest friends for 5 or so years, I've known him for what seems like forever, no one deserves to be beaten up, and I find myself feeling shakey over what he told me on the phone, I'd hate to know what it was like actually being there. I just wish people could live in harmony and peace, regardless of race, colour or sexuality, but as long as people like Mek are around that's never gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Are you all full of hate? I can understand gay bashers, I can understand gays it dosen't mean I agree with either of them. Yufster I don't see what your point was because I'm not Catholic I'm Christian which is diffrent. I do not beleive in Church dictatorship like the Catholics do (and so do the JW's which are compleatly non-Christian). Most of my athiest friends who I've known have agreen that homosexuality is wrong. It's simply obvious even to them. As for "Chrisitans" who beleive that homosexuality is okay well I know some of them as well. But my Christian friends who are around my age (19) or in their early 20's do agree with me; naturally. Even my younger Christian friends (as young as 14) agree. It's because we beleive in God and do not say anything that contradicts His word... there is nothing worse you can do then that in my oppinion (execept of course for the unforgivable sin). I find it disturbing that anyone would see me as a hateful person, I am nothing of the kind. I will talk to anyone about God; about my beleifs; about the truth of GOD'S WORD. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted May 7, 2003 Author Share Posted May 7, 2003 I also should thank you guys for being supportive and sending kind words It means a lot I don't know what I would have done if he'd been seriously injured or maybe even killed. I don't think I could handle if I had lost one of my best friends so early in our lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Originally posted by Natty I don't think I could handle if I had lost one of my best friends so early in our lives Why not? I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Funnily enough mek, Natty isn't you. Some people maybe cannot handle the death of a friend as well as other people, it's what makes us different. I lost my grandparents at the age of twelve. I was old enough to know them well enough so I was sad, and young enough to not be able to handle it as well as I could now. Even still if i were to lose a friend who i liked a lot, i probably would cry, siorry, but that's just me, and Natty is just Natty, she's not you mek. Also I understand you pretty well, you were brought up in a strict Christian environment and therefore have different veiws on other races and homosexuals which to us seem 'extreme', but to you perfectly normal. And so I can do nothing, but accept that you have different views on life to me, or other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenAdreena Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 I don't understand why people do that kind of thing. A friend of mine was raped and murdered a month or so ago. People shouldn't be able to get away with such things, but the suspect's gone to India and they haven't found him yet. Even when they do, it could take up to 60 days before they can bring him back to England, and then he can appeal etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiKo Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 god mek...stop being so narrow minded... people are different, learn to accept that... gee, i'm a jew...i guess people should be bashing me on the streets and you would understand that, concidering how i'm probably annoying them by minding my own buisness and living my own life... my friend is black, i bet that all the racist ****s who make fun of him and stuff should just keep up the good work.... jeesh what makes you perfect mek? what makes your religion right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yufster Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Originally posted by Meksilon Most of my athiest friends who I've known have agreen that homosexuality is wrong. It's simply obvious even to them. What's obvious? That's it's wrong? How is it wrong? And what do you mean by "EVEN to them"? It's because we beleive in God and do not say anything that contradicts His word... there is nothing worse you can do then that in my oppinion (execept of course for the unforgivable sin). I find it disturbing that anyone would see me as a hateful person, I am nothing of the kind. I will talk to anyone about God; about my beleifs; about the truth of GOD'S WORD. Daniel LMAO, you're so narrow minded. So this god of yours understands Gay Bashers as well? he probably sends them out in groups to beat up those sinful gay people! You're obviously one of those nutcase crack heads who think athiests go to hell for not believing in god, and people in 3rd world countries that have never even HEARD of your god will too. Where does god say homosexuality is wrong? Have you ever seen god? Did those people get attacked because they were sinful? has god ever done anything for you? Oh, beside the whole, "Creating existence and then putting evidence that civilisation has existed for billions of years anyway therefore eradicating this theory to confuse people" thing. Some great god he is, huh? But I guess he's busy up in heaven with all that, uh, cloud. Hey, that raises an interesting point. Clouds are steam so they must be pretty hot, right? I was thinking about that today. I have nothing against catholics or christians or JW or Jews or anybody, but I despise people like you who can't even question 'gods word' because ohhh, THAT would be SINFUL. You're so sad, and so cruel. I could point out a hundred things that disprove a theory about 'god', but you would only counter attack them with reasons such as "god works in mysterious ways!". Which is sooo convenient. If there was a god, which there may or may not be, he certainly wouldn't be a very good one if he rejected homosexuals, lesbians, etc.,. I'm sorry everybody, I've never felt this level of hate towards a single individual in my life before! Argh, I'm breathing funny! *gasp gasp gasp* And I'm usually such a nice person. Gr, I hate you even more. EDIT: And I was thinking there, I have friends at school who are christian, catholic, athiest, jewish and there's a muslim girl too, and we never have arguments and we agree to disagree over our religion and it's not an issue... the only religions that ever seem to clash together are fundamentalist christian and everybody else. EDIT 2: Oh here's an interesting question for you, Mek. There's this story in the bible whereby some dude screws his two daughters because there's nobody else to screw. I forget what story, I just remember laughing and laughing that the bible was teaching it was okay to screw your own kids if nobody knew about it. Anyway, so I take it that that's right, then? Gosh, better let all those catholic priests out of jail, then! quick quick! EDIT 3: It's because we beleive in God and do not say anything that contradicts His word COWARD!!! EDIT 4: I'm soooooo angry! I apologise to everybody. Except Mek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 You know, a lot of people have false reasons to hate mek. I don't like him, I have my reasons, but I don’t hate him, and a respect that he has different beliefs to me. Surely by hating him for his beliefs is the reason you hate him in the first place, because you think he hates people because of their beliefs. For certain reasons, I can't hate mek, like I said before, he was brought up this way around people just like him, it's only natural that he thinks these things. Please remember, that to them it is wrong for homosexuality because apparently, god created man and woman for procreation and this cannot happen with homosexuals and therefore is against god. You cannot hate mek for having different beliefs, I have different beliefs to many of you, but if you were to hate me for that, that would be wrong, that would be racism. The reason I kind of don’t like mek is because of his ability to bring religion and his hatred for gay people into every conversation therefore making it a controversial argument. Natty was upset because a friend of hers was beaten up pretty badly, and somehow you still managed to turn it into this by saying that it was his fault. Remember the old saying, if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. you're entitle to your opinion, but if you know that all it will bring is controversy and hatred, then why bother, you know you won't 'convert' any of us, so there's no point. he's also seems to think that he's right and the whole world is wrong, I can't really hate him for that, but I can judge him for not having an open mind about other cultures and lifestyles. Now if I wanted to, I could prove all atheists wrong and give full evidence of God existence which no one seems to see, but it's right there in front of them anyway. I'm just not going to because it'll just cause more controversy, believe me or don't I don't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yufster Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Originally posted by Neil Joshi Now if I wanted to, I could prove all atheists wrong and give full evidence of God existence which no one seems to see, but it's right there in front of them anyway. I'm just not going to because it'll just cause more controversy, believe me or don't I don't really care. See I could also give evidence that he doesn't exist, but you could give valid evidence that he does, so we'd only be annoying each other and lets face it, nobody is gonna just throw up their hands and say, "Oh, well now you mention it, it sort of DOES make sense! I'm turning athiest/catholic/christian/whatever." I respect you for your beliefs. I don't even know WHAT you believe and I know I respect you for it anyway, because from what I've seen you're a good person. I just got really mad when I saw that the only thing he could think to say was that he could understand where the gay bashers were coming from. That's just insulting. I think we're all happy with what we believe and it can be comforting to know there's something or someone there for us, etc., but people like Mek so seriously get my blood up because they're so narrow minded and judgemental of others, and ultimately base their judgements on a book that was written hundreds of years ago. And let's face it, god or no god, he didn't write that all in there himself. Omigosh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to start a religious thing! Let's all go back to Natty. Natty, I'm sorry 'bout your friend but hey, he's okay and that's good ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Come on, it's quiet obvious that no matter how many things we say, the other person will not change their ideas, as pointed out by Yufster. Mek, so you have friends who all agree witrh you. Yippadee dee dong dang for you, You may believe what you wish, we may believe what we wish, it won't hurt anyone. By the way, what is the Unforgivable Sin? My priest says that the worst sin is not believing in God's forgiveness, though he will still forgive it, so I'm sure there is not a sin God will not forgive. Natty, hey sorry about your friend, there are just some people that can be extremely cruel. You never know, it could have just been regular muggers, maybe it had nothing to do with their sexual beliefs. Tell your friend I say hi, and hope your well now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 I appreciate why this topic was made, but I'm sure Natty willa gree it's gone a bit strange, in a bad way...we don't need this, so, closing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.