OmegaNothing Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Does anyone really know the reason for Qui Gon not becoming a ghost? (Apart from the fact that Neeson wouldn't come back). There could be many reasons, for example Qui Gon didn't follow the code, he believed in using ur feelings rather than mind, which is why he wasn't on the council, this could have been a reason but then you have the fact that Anakin became a ghost, and he hardly followed the code now did he. Or maybe a jedi can only come back as a ghost if they really want to or if they have a reason, just like Obi Wan came back to help Luke . . . . Anyone else have any ideas why Qui Gon didn't come back as a ghost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Refer to: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95809 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 They’re a few theories, but my favourite is… Acceptance of death both yoda and obi (and anakin as well) knew they were going to die and therefore accepted their fate and were able to pass into the spirit world... or something along those lines now this theory will be blown apart if qui-gon shows up in Ep III. which is likely as he was supposed to be in ep II but had a motorbike crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 The motorbike crash wasn't so serious that they couldn't have done pickup shoots closer to the release date of Episode 2. Fact was, they just didn't need Liam to appear physically. They were going to have him record some old lines, but they went with a clip of him yelling from Episode 1. I do like the acceptance of death theory, though it doesn't explain how Yoda heard Qui-Gon in Episode 2, nor how we'll likely see him in Episode 3 (Lucas has said we will find out why multiple times, and has hinted it's got something to do with Qui-Gon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Payne Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 haha, nice idea but. who said he's not a ghost? remember that Obi-Wan died on ep IV, in that same movie we hear is voice. Only in episode V we see him like a ghost. Now Qui-gon died in ep I, we hear hin in Ep II (aldo he was supposed to appear). So you can't say he's not a ghost until ep III in 2005. If you where talking about "why did not dissapear", well that's other thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted June 17, 2003 Author Share Posted June 17, 2003 I doubt we will see him as a Ghost now, from what I heard he was never going to be in Episode II, after Episode I Liam Neeson said he didn't want to do anymore, although he did record the whole "Anakin, Anakin" thing for Episode II. It would be nice to see Qui Gon as a ghost, but that wouldn't explain how anakin still turned to evil even after seeing his former master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Originally posted by Sivy B They’re a few theories, but my favourite is… Acceptance of death both yoda and obi (and anakin as well) knew they were going to die and therefore accepted their fate and were able to pass into the spirit world... or something along those lines now this theory will be blown apart if qui-gon shows up in Ep III. which is likely as he was supposed to be in ep II but had a motorbike crash. But it took a long time for Qui-Gon to die, and he could well accept death at that time. And he did too, otherwise he would not say that "it's too late" and tell Obi-Wan to train Anakin. And it can't be that he didn't follow the code either. The fallen Jedi at the arena in ep2 doesn't disappear either. And the fact that you may see Qui-Gon in ep3 doesn't mean that you'll get to see him as a ghost. It might as well be as a holographic image form an old recording. after Episode I Liam Neeson said he didn't want to do anymore, although he did record the whole "Anakin, Anakin" thing for Episode II. I'm pretty sure they used the "Anakin!" from the "Anakin, drop!" in ep1. At least they sound very similar to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted June 17, 2003 Author Share Posted June 17, 2003 Neeson said that he went back to record "Anakin, Anakin" I first thought they just used the episode I speech. Also maybe a jedi needs to wants to become a ghost. Whatever the reason I'm sure we'll find out in episode III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 But Lucas (or Burtt, can't remember) in the Episode 2 DVD said that they ended up using a line from Episode 1, and that Neeson did NOT record anything new for Episode 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 But Lucas (or Burtt, can't remember) in the Episode 2 DVD said that they ended up using a line from Episode 1, and that Neeson did NOT record anything new for Episode 2. Thats funny, on my DVD it says that Neeson DID go back to record that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiMP RABBiT Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 This is completely a guess but maybe they come back to help guide someone. Cause Yoda appears, he was helping luke, Obi, he was also helping luke. But as Qui gon handed anakin over to obi he didnt need to help anyone. But that doesnt explain anakin coming back in the ep6. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaestro Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 With the Star Wars series...you can never really know anything at anytime -- too many secrets...which make speculation fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 it would be nice to see his ghost, but i dont think we will see him in episode 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Originally posted by OmegaNothing Thats funny, on my DVD it says that Neeson DID go back to record that line. Where? I just watched mine again, and ole' GL says very clearly, "We ended up using a line from Episode 1." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Originally posted by OmegaNothing Thats funny, on my DVD it says that Neeson DID go back to record that line. you misheard it... they used his old recordings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted July 12, 2003 Author Share Posted July 12, 2003 Hmmm I'll watch it again later, if two of you say so I must have misheard it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BFE]Winters Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hi guys, this is my first time getting involved in this star wars community, so please bear with me:D When do we hear Qui-Gon's voice in EpII? Winters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerD Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Originally posted by [bFE]Winters When do we hear Qui-Gon's voice in EpII? when anakin is slaughtering all the tusken raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 ... well, just after he slaughters them and it cuts to Yoda meditating. Listen carefully and you can hear Qui say "No Anakin NO", and what sounds like Vaders heavy breathing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remirol Nacnud Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 My memory terrible. When Qui Gon is killed, he doesn't disappear does he? As far as I know, when a Jedi 'becomes one with the force' his body disappears. Obi Wan did, Yoda did and Anakin did apparently(the armour that you see burning at the end of Ep6 is empty) If he doesn't disappear then perhaps he didn't become one with the force. Alternatively, if he did, perhaps he felt no urgent need to show himself(as a ghost) Ben comes back as a ghost or voice to guide Luke, who really needs it. Then the three come back at the end to reassure Luke that he had saved his father and perhaps give him the confidence to go on to his even greater task(re-establishing the Jedi) But Qui Gon would only have come back to guide Ben, who didn't have as larger problems as Luke did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Thinking back to the Original Trilogy, Obi-Wan only appeared to Luke as a spirit when Luke was either very close to death (Hoth) or after he had trained with Yoda and gained a little more knowledge of the Force (just befoire leaving Dagobah). Whether or not a ghost appears to someone seems to depend on the state of the person they're communicating with. Luke is dying on Dagobah, and so he's got one foot in death's door, so to speak, perhaps putting him that much closer to Ben and allowing Ben to speak to him. Maybe Qui-Gon didn't appear to Anakin because Anakin's subjective state was prohibitave; in other words, maybe his rage was pushing Qui-Gon away so that he could only yell from the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Well, I think GL intended to have Qui-Gon appear to Anakin, but the circumstances prevented it, i.e: Liam Neeson being in a motorbike crash. Therefore he decided to just use his voice instead. I imagine we will see him in ghost form in Ep3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Originally posted by leXX Well, I think GL intended to have Qui-Gon appear to Anakin, but the circumstances prevented it, i.e: Liam Neeson being in a motorbike crash. Therefore he decided to just use his voice instead. I imagine we will see him in ghost form in Ep3. thats what i heard too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegietto Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 yeah that is what i heard to but i don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadeus Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 I don't know if you all will object to me bringing some EU into the whole deal, but in Dark Force Rising, Luke speculates that a Jedi might come back as a ghost by attaching themself to another Jedi. He suggests that Obi Wan might have done that to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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