Has mankind visited the moon?

[Drivian Taluus]

The moon? Of course we've been there! We've been there, what? At least twice, right? I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories. They all reek of the whacky tabaccy if you ask me. Elvis an alien? Of course not! He was a communist spy! Michael Jackson? Communist. Saddam Husein? Uh, also communist, but angrier.

[legameboy]

We've been there, seen that...

[Zoom Rabbit]

Gee. The Apollo capsule in Florida that I saw was no tin can. It was more like a steel diving bell.

 

I cannot emphasize enough that the astronauts were exposed to very little of the Van Allen belt's harmful radiation. Okay, think of the Van Allen belt as a layer of sulphuric acid clouds way up in the sky, and we want to get something through it. If we fly up with a remote spy plane and try to break those clouds, we will see the plane dissolve in mid-air as it tries to climb hortizontally through them. Now...if we were to send up a rocket, which travels straight up vertically at a much faster speed, it will punch right through with minimal corrosion. Coat the rocket with a thin layer of pyrex glass, and you have something safe enough to take a mouse or three right through the dangerous acid clouds.

 

On the matter of Emperor Bush the lizard man, I should point out that Icke thinks Tony Blair is one as well. Sorry to our English friends, but it appears that the *lizard plot for world domination* affects you guys as well.

[edlib]

My views on conspiracy theories (posted earlier in another thread, but still kinda applies here.)

 

Another thing that just struck me about this: (a major fundamental problem with all conspiracy theories)

 

If this conspiracy is as vast and powerful as he says, and that if anybody dares try to expose the truth is silenced and vanishes,.. HOW DOES HE MANAGE TO GET AWAY WITH IT? He should have be erased from public memory as soon as he found out the truth, and LONG before he ever managed to publish a tape, let alone a web-page.

 

There's an old axiom that says: "Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction." I'm sure you've all heard it a hundred-thousand times in your lives. Well, the corollary to that is "But almost all of the time the truth is far, far duller than fiction."

 

If the government put together a huge network of agents employed for the sole purpose to keep astronauts and people involved with the faking of a moon landing film production quiet, then how in the world is someone like this guy allowed to produce a film exposing the whole thing as fake, with a website to sell this film, and manage to get away with it? How did he get hold of the pictures and film used to expose this fraud if there is a huge paranoid conspiracy around keeping the public from finding the truth? And lastly,.. with cool digital tools like Photoshop, how can we ever be sure that the producer of this film, who is most likely selling it for a profit, didn't doctor REAL images to make them look fake?

[Ray Jones]

imagine you were the one on the moon (or some), or you are the one who has the major part on the project. And after manymanymany mistakes, faults, accidents, moneylacks and more .. you finally made it. and someone comes along says: NOPE. YOU FAKE! And uses some pics where the source is hidden/not clear for evidence. And i never heard a explanation for the evidences. and i wasnt on the moon and i could not say how dust must be assembled up there etc.? ..

 

 

SO its clear. Mankind was on the moon under the exclusive leadership of .. ZOOM RABBIT. yes. (The humans were bad, so ZR went to walk the moon alone, therefore only ZR-Footprints are up there.)

 

*ring, ring. recieves some credits from unknown source.*

 

ps. to the government: i denie to denie deniance for knowledge of the unknown. so ask the one over there.

 

*points to nowhere, runs off.*

[toms]

there used to be this cool late-night discussion programme in the UK with some comedian as a host and a few intelligent people/scientist experts. They would basically get on lots of people with odd beliefs (yetis, aliens, loch ness monster etc...) and then basically mercilessly rip their arguments to pieces... it was most fun.

 

Anyway, the onlyone i ever saw where they all came away BELIEVING the "wierdo with odd ideas" was the moon landing one. There was just so much evidence that it was faked that they all ended up convinced.

 

Personally, i think we went, but i think the pictures were faked... after all, they had to put on a show for the american public.

[RoguePhotonic]

Well people that worked on the movie probably lived on the base where it was filmed....

 

And a guy making the site...nothing you can do because it's a (you decide thing)....he just takes images that we have all seen many times and sees the faults in them....

 

 

and what is this acid cloud invisible?....

 

 

In the end it really doesn't matter what is true or not...because there is so much that says we haven't gone and so many unanswered questions that I could never say being 100% sure if we went or didn't....like this show I watched on tv said...if only a handful of people know about it like a circle of old men like the X files.....we may never know.....

 

 

 

Like did you know that a plane never hit the pentagon on 9/11....there is allot of strong stuff supporting that one..yet so many unanswered things like ok then where is the missing plane?

[ShockV1.89]

Way too much X-files...

 

And my uncle watched the plane fly into the Pentagon. A friend of mine who transfered to DC to take a management position at Best Buy was outside taking a smoke break and he saw the plane crash into it. I suppose they're in on it too?

[RoguePhotonic]

Well if it's true that a plane hit it...then every last piece of it..I mean EVERYTHING even the black box was completely disintegrated...and I guess this would be the first crash in history that.......that happened.

 

I have an image of right after the plane was supposed to have crashed and there was no hole in the building yet (it was caused by the fire) and there is no evidence of a plane at all....maybe i'll post it in a sec....I used to have a site that said many reasons why it didn't happen but Id on't have it anymore...

[RoguePhotonic]

ok here we go these are taken of the exact spot the plane was suppose to have hit.....they are HUGH images so they can be looked at in detail so hope your desktop res is not to low...will be hard to view...

 

http://rogue2020.tripod.com/image1.html

 

Look at the lawn and stuff...only a few stones from the building....

 

the site I said had info on it had some pretty good facts....like if you see only the bottom floor is knocked out..and it said how high the plane was and how high the building is...and how the hell could only the bottom floor been knocked out...

 

It also said the first report on that day was a truck bomb and that the government quickly turned that down and said it was a plane....but...truck bomb...hense bottom floor gone.....

[Ray Jones]

Do you actually know how it looks if a plane crashes into the pentagon????????

 

 

Oh man. this pic is saying NOTHING. It doesnt even say its the pentagon. Maybe its the same site from that moonlandingfake??

 

It like saying at the shop: That Item is too expensive. .. Compared to what?

 

So first of all a crashing plane comes from the sky. With speed-o-much. If this is the front of the crashsite. then all of the plane will be behind the building and the smoke.. PHYSICS, you know?

 

 

so. get a damn photography from ABOVE the site.

 

grmblfx.

[Darth Rythe]

I'm still confussed:confused:

[Zoom Rabbit]

Remember the airliner that crashed in the Everglades a few years back? Even from the air, there was no sign that it had gone down at all, except for some disturbed vegetation. Mud sucked the wreck right in.

 

I suppose that crash was a hoax, too.

 

(First time ever saying) okay, back on topic. Roguephotonic, the acid cloud I mentioned was a make-believe way of illustrating the Van Allen radiation belt problem for us on a scale more easily understandable. Unless perhaps there REALLY IS a giant acid cloud somewhere causing acid rain and eating a hole in the ozone layer. Hm.

 

Let's go back to the 'people making the movie living on a base' theory for a minute. Might work while they're making the movie, but once the project was done, they would filter back into the real world with a lot to talk about. And you couldn't keep them behind barbed wire at the base, or simply kill them--the loss of the sort of filmmaking talent that would be required to fake that footage in those days would not have gone unnoticed by the public.

 

So. Unless you can show me the newspaper clipping from the late sixties that mentions an entire film crew gone missing...I ain't buying it.

[RoguePhotonic]

I have seen top down views..left right..all kinds of ****..nothing....have you heard any talk about that plane at all?...them getting parts?...black box?...nope...never heard a thing about it....I don't know..I truly don't...and I really don't give a ****....I just like to know the truth....I mean I know that they knew an attack was going to happen on 9/11...I know that they let it happen in their own interests...but why lie about a plane?...don't know

 

 

as for the film people...you think they are going to let some fool off the street walk in and make this for em?....I think not...who knows..

 

 

Remember the airliner that crashed in the Everglades a few years back? Even from the air, there was no sign that it had gone down at all, except for some disturbed vegetation. Mud sucked the wreck right in.

 

So your saying that every last piece of it was pushed into the bottom windows?....as you can see most window's on the building are still unbroken......we are not talking about a swamp here...this is the side of a building with a lawn...

 

and what do you mean would be behind the building...it ran into the side of a wall....and I don't recal reports of the plane smashing into the rest of the pentagon...if you know how it's shaped and all

 

 

i'll search for the site...may find something...

 

oh yeah and comparing it to what?...any other plane crash I have ever seen....

[edlib]

Originally posted by RoguePhotonic

Look at the lawn and stuff...only a few stones from the building....

...truck bomb...hense bottom floor gone.....

 

This actually makes less sense than a plane impact. Truck bombs (or any kind of bomb detonated from a stationary position) tend to explode in a spherical pattern, unless the charge is carefully directed to blow in one direction, which takes a lot of time, and a HELL of a lot of expertise. So, there should be a lot more debris and scorched grass than is visible if it really was a truck bomb, not to mention a crater at the absolulte ground-zero (where the truck was parked.)

 

No, it looks to me that the Pentagon was hit with something moving pretty damn fast. All the debris from the outer wall would have been carried inside with whatever hit it. Pretty simple physics. So this leaves an airplane, or perhaps a cruise-missle. This is really all just speculation on my part however, since I have no training in that level of forensics, and I highly doubt that most of the people using these pictures to "prove" that the damage couldn't be caused by a commercial airliner are either. But I do know a little bit about how physics and the universe works.

 

Since there's already a commercial jet-liner missing, I can see no logical reason to want to needlessly create multiple entities (invoking Occam again.) Otherwise, you have to explain why there is a jet missing as well as what impacted the Pentagon. Presumably, the jet would have had to be shot down, by US warplanes, probably after being forcably directed far out to sea since no debris has ever been found. But why? If somebody was setting off bombs or lobbing cruise-missles at goverment buildings, why would they bother to go after this plane? We also know that sombody was using similar planes to fly into other targets (the WTC towers, unless sombody also wants to try to convince me that footage was also faked)

 

Listen,.. I'm perhaps one of the most cynical and suspicious people you will meet when it comes to our government, especially our current administration. A good amount of paranoia is, I believe, in this day and age a healthy and nessisary thing. This theory you presented just seems illogical to me, however. Building a conspiracy for conspiracy's sake.

[RoguePhotonic]

Yeah true about the truck bomb...I don't believe this with my life or anything...I just note it....and holy **** I found the site!!...though I do have to say a couple of the things they say are stupid...such as why did they dump dirt on the lawn..(to help the tractors work)...and how could the plane only damage the first ring..(they just remodeled it to make it stronger)

 

 

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

[Ray Jones]

yeah, edlib's right. and needless to say that the 9/11 was 'the day of crashing planes' .. so why the hell fake that pentagonplane? to get peoples attention away from WTC so that noone recognizes the WTC collapse??

[Zoom Rabbit]

Edlib is quite correct. Paranoia these days is not such a bad idea, given current political goings on. I know that I watch the press lie their asses off on American teevee whenever I happen to watch it these days. But it's important not to get carried away with paranoia...or indeed too deeply into any search for meaning (see sig for more on *meaning.*)

 

The mind is an unruly beast that would find meanings everywhere if allowed to charge madly ahead with the task. At some point, one should say 'I can't know or understand everything in this big, crazy world' and let the matter rest.

 

If you let your 'mind horse' gallop off in search of answers on its own, it will come back with all sorts of notions like lizard people ruling the world, a government clever enough to fake moon landings and then keep the matter concealed, and little green men that beam you out of your room for a flying saucer ride every tuesday night...

 

Sorry to get all zen there. It's actually this simple: keep it real, dog.

[RoguePhotonic]

Well I keep an open mind with all this stuff because the government brainwashes people to no end...and I wont be one of those people....

 

It's kinda funny though..most people are brainwashed so bad that if the governement straight up told them the truth to their faces they wouldn't believe it....

[ShockV1.89]

Originally posted by RoguePhotonic

 

It's kinda funny though..most people are brainwashed so bad that if the governement straight up told them the truth to their faces they wouldn't believe it....

 

This can go both ways...

[Darth Rythe]

I think everybody should just think what they want to think and leave it at that.

[Ray Jones]

what do you mean by brainwash? Hawk once got brainwashed in AIRWOLF. but i never on tv. hey .. i have a brain to use it.

 

to those paranoias .. the first ques you should raise is WHY the hell? .. You dont go around fake people for no reason .. so firsttell me the reason and then tell me WHAT they are planning to do with us folks........

 

Hey and most of them paranoias are chirstians and so on.

 

EVER GOT THE THOUGHT THAT THIS IS CONSPIRATIVE? i mean.. the earth was a plate until 1999 or so.. hey THIS is what i call lying. ..

[Darth Rythe]

what?

[Ray Jones]

eh... nuttin'

 

 

 

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[RoguePhotonic]

No way would I get into all the brainwashing stuff....to harsh of a subject.....

 

mainly because allot of people are so far gone they cannot be reached...and these people you have to watch out for....