RoguePhotonic Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 No it's not possible to wait...I play to many games...I have 2 folders in my favs for games I am waiting for 37 by the end of this year and 12 in the first 2 months of next year... and those lists can go up when I learn of new games. Sure it would suck if I came home and my system was gone but no I would not want it back...I have learned over the years there is no point in feeling down or pissed about things that there is nothing you can do about it...just say oh well and move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 you know whats really stupid is there sending people for jail for d/l ing to much of it....JAIL. Inmate: what are you in here for? Guy: I downloaded 28 days later and the hulk? Inmate: so..... guy: we...arent supposed to that...because people around the world will starve:rolleyes: i read somewhere that a collage student has been charged for setting up a search engine to download music for his friends...i think it was 15 000 they charged him.....seriously man if they pass this in canada id probably have to....i dunno sell my soul....i have made and own stuff before this was a big deal so doe sthat mean ni have to throw em all out so i dont get fined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 you know whats really stupid is there sending people for jail for d/l ing to much of it....JAIL. I know, they should fine them instead. That way, you end up paying for the music, and you learn that if you pay for it the conventional way, you shouldn't Inmate: what are you in here for? Guy: I downloaded 28 days later and the hulk? Inmate: so..... guy: we...arent supposed to that...because people around the world will starve . I'd say both that guy and the inmate are too stupid to be out in society (j/k). It's more the fact that people lose money and that it's stealing (duh:rolleyes:). Or do you really think that the starving Ethiopians starve because of Kazaa. i read somewhere that a collage student has been charged for setting up a search engine to download music for his friends...i think it was 15 000 they charged him.... The music industry could lose more than $15 000 due to that engine, you know. They lose millions thanks to Kazaa. seriously man if they pass this in canada id probably have to....i dunno sell my soul.... First you defend privacy, then you intend to sell your soul? I though you'd be more in favour of uploading it to Kazaa.. oh well. so doe sthat mean ni have to throw em all out so i don't get fined? Probably, if they were to come after you. PS: Clean up your spelling. There is no such words as "ni and sthat". No, I'm serious, there aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 God thats emabrassing sorry i didnt read it over i just type ed out really fast and most of them are just words togather. First you defend privacy, then you intend to sell your soul? I though you'd be more in favour of uploading it to Kazaa.. oh well. to pay the fines.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 I urge everyone to browse this link http://harlanellison.com/kick/kick_rls.htm regardless of what side of this issue you are on. It's a good example of how the little guy. It's about Harlan Ellison's ongoing legal battle against America Online. Never one to back away from a fight, Ellison sued AOL three years ago for reacting too slowly after he notified it that his short stories had been pirated on a Usenet newsgroup available through the service. AOL asserts that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act holds ISPs blameless for content that others move through their networks, but Ellison has emptied his retirement fund waging an epic battle to have the courts rule otherwise. The case has reached the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Here's a bibliography of Ellison's work. He's not the UberAuthor that Grissom, King, or Assimov are, but he's written some stuff you might recognize. He's also worked on screenplays and episodic television works such as Logan's Run, Outer Limits, the Twilight Zone and Babylon 5. The guy is small-time, but trying to make an honest living. Is it fair that some schmuck photocopies his stuff, ports it to a pdf file and uploads it to the UseNet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homuncul Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 A friend recently offered me a free copy of the Two Towers. This isn't some crappy pirate copy, its the real thing. It was created and handed out to Academy Award members so they can review it for upcoming awards. It has 0 ZERO CREDITS!!! and has a menu for selecting language and captions. I took it. He now is going to get me a Matrix Reloaded in the same format. Ill take it too Hey you're too late with TTT, I took this copy long before you as I mentioned in my previous post. It has appeared in our market many months from now. Bout Matrix. Is it a copy for Awards? If it was ever made, I would have had it. But I didn't, so I doubt that it's an old Award version. Think this version, if it's to appear, is a preview of the original DVD, or the original DVD itself (stolen from Watchovski). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Homuncul Bout Matrix. Is it a copy for Awards? If it was ever made, I would have had it. But I didn't, so I doubt that it's an old Award version. Think this version, if it's to appear, is a preview of the original DVD, or the original DVD itself (stolen from Watchovski). Not sure yet H, I ll let you know if I ever get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Hey guys... this is getting to be a borderline rules violation... we can talk about piracy as a concept: the right/wrong of it; why we feel that way; etc. Just don't cross the line about trading, offering URLs, how-to find, etc. You haven't yet, but if this conversation were the North/South Korea border, I'd be wearing a flak jacket being this close I just wanted to offer a warning before another mod stopped in... I don't think you guys would go that far, but other mods might not know you guys as well as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 granted the smalltime people lose out. but these big people like metallica and eminem they won't starve just because they lose millions of dollars that they never recieved because people downloaded their music instead of buying it. i mean eminem has more money than my street put together. and that's just a rough estimate from the total sales he got on his first few albums. if he spends wisely he could live the rest of his life happy and work free, send kids to college. you really think my and millions of other people downloading an album is going to make him starve after he made so much money selling previous albums. plus if people like the album enough they will buy it(if they get the money) but until artists make more FULL ALBUMS good I will continue to download the songs that are good. I wouldn't mind spending money on a 4 track album that's good songs but not a 15 track album that only has 4 good songs on it. f*ck that if I spend my money on something I want it to be something good all the way through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Only have a couple of things to say... Of course piracy is bad because it's thieving someone else's creation. However, when giant record[and to an extent, movie] companies refuse to chanrge a more reasonable price for the often-mediocre stuff they churn out, I have no sympathy for them if they start to lose sales. Piracy has always been a problem - the net just makes it that much more accessible, and less stigmatised since it's so impersonal. I've downloaded a lot of stuff from kazaa, but I've also massively increased my CD purchases in the last year or two - which I would most certainly not have done had I not been able to listen to various tracks from many artists at my leisure by downloading them. I think most CDs are overpriced, but I still buy ones which I consider worthy of my money - i.e. not the ones with only one song I want on them If record companies were serious about stopping piracy, they'd stop wasting their time and money on guilt-trip commercials, and invest in LEGAL downloading avenues for people to use if they want certain tracks - that's a massively underfunded and under-exploited market, IMHO. They just don't want to make it easy for people to get what they want - they're content with forcingh us to buy one CD for one or two tracks that we want, because it makes them money while we have to put up with it. Creativity in the mainstream music industry has all but stagnated over the last... Decade =/ ...Wow, that was a lot of typing for "a couple of things". Rant over ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 A few thoughts (didn't read the thread, sorry if I'm repeating what someone esle said) Downloading MP3's is not illegal in Finland (and most other countries I presume). Is it morally questionable? It depends. I've downloaded loads of mp3's and never bought a CD in my life. Yes, you heard me: I've never bought a CD in my life. The reason for this is that I think paying 20$ for a CD is paying 10 times too much for a product = quite stupid. CD's have been out for, what - 10 years(?) and I've never bought one. I have copied all my music on tape from the radio. The thought never crossed my mind to pay something as ridiculous as 20$ for a few songs that I might listen to once or twice. 20$ is insane! I got probably 1000 mp3's on my hard drive. It's all legal, but is it morally questionable? I say no. It would be wrong for me to share these files or download them instead of buying, but is it wrong to have them? No. I have not and would not buy them anyway. The artist loses nothing. I get free music. It's not a zero-sum-game. On the other hand, if CD's would cost around 5 $, I suppose I would buy them instead of downloading...although one has to look out for all that copy-protection-**** that might prevent you from actually using the disc at all (/ in certain players) or even destroy your cd-drive, but.. I suppose I would walk into the store instead of downloading. I do value quality, after all. What about games, apps etc.? Can I download them since "I wouldn't buy them anyway"? No; because it's illegal, against the law, forbidden period. There is no question about morality here. It's illegal. That's it. Naturally: The day downloading mp3's becomes illegal is the day I stop downloading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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