g//anarki Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by TK8252MJL Incorrect. If you were an admin at an "honor code" server, you'd understand. Using the police example, consider this: If the cop had to resort to simply telling a criminal not to do something, would the cops really get the criminal to stop? *guy robs a bank* Cop says: Hey you! Don't do that! Give that money back! Criminal says: STFU *cop runs after the criminal* *criminal shoots the cop* Well that worked good, huh? And, you really can't ban people using rcon. You can only ban a couple people before you have to clear the bans and start over. Also, rcon is not reliable at all. The JK3Files server admin called Atlas has a bug in his /rcon status which only lets him see a couple or no people. Which means anyone with a space in their name could not be kicked or banned. The thing you need to see, TK is that this is a video game and something as extreme as bank robbery is not relevant at all. A simple warning/kick/ban/silence would do the trick. I mean what's this "lamer" going to do? Kill your player model? Who really cares? It doesn't do perm. damage or anything. Just kick/ban him after or sit there and cry. What we call the 12 yr old admins are the guys who see someone kill someone else (oh noz! pplz lievs are at stake!!!!) they immidiately pull out the /ampunish. A kick is sufficiant and doesn't waste anyones time. It's not like the "lamer" will pull out a ban gun on the admin and ban him from his own server. It just doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master William Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I understand how it is being an admin at those servers. I am an admin at the public gameservers.net servers, and heck do I get tired of telling people the same thing. Retards run around breaking the server rules, totally ignoring my damn spammage of the rules (I have to spam if they don't stop it), and I end up warning them 2-3 times. They don't seem to give a ****, so I kick them. They come back asking why they were kicked. I explain that he/she must follow the server rules, or get kicked. He/she starts cussing, and disconnects. But hey, even if you wrote it in the sky with smoke, they wouldn't understand it, because they would rather scratch their asses instead of looking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by Master William I understand how it is being an admin at those servers. I am an admin at the public gameservers.net servers, and heck do I get tired of telling people the same thing. Retards run around breaking the server rules, totally ignoring my damn spammage of the rules (I have to spam if they don't stop it), and I end up warning them 2-3 times. They don't seem to give a ****, so I kick them. They come back asking why they were kicked. I explain that he/she must follow the server rules, or get kicked. He/she starts cussing, and disconnects. Exactly. And kicking someone from the server is supposed to be the last resort. Sleeping someone gives the admin an opportunity to explain the rules so that they are not broken again. Therefore there is little or no confusion and no need for a kick. Although, just because someone breaks the rules they are "retarded" is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amidala from Chop Shop Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 TK and Master William, please send all those "lamers" to my servers. I will welcome them with open arms:amidala: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumor Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 anyone that gets pissed at kurgan's posting of things regarding mods and whatnot remember this: he always plays the devils advocate and argues for the other side to give you their perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumor Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by Leebs I remember in the xmod thread the competitive players were telling the honor players to get out off of their thread due to them continuously causing confrontation. This is like deja vu....but vice versa negatory. they were derailing a thread where we were talking about a specific thing for specific people. if they want to debate with us then they can make a thread about it instead of invading everything and either flame baiting or flaming outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop I will welcome them with open arms:amidala: That's what I like about your disruption server, Amidala. No one even complains about laming. Although there is the occasional chat kill whiner. Complaining about chat kills in team games is so... stupid. I never hesitate to chat kill in a team game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amidala from Chop Shop Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I saw you on there tonight. There was a good reason there was no complaining about laming: most of the time you were there, most of the other players were bots:amidala: 142:53 Exit: Timelimit hit. 142:53 score: 77 ping: 55 client: 0 ^7[^4LC^7] TK-8252 142:53 score: 30 ping: 53 client: 1 ^1Dark^3Jedi 142:53 score: 11 ping: 0 client: 7 ^7PooperScooper 142:53 score: 10 ping: 0 client: 5 ^3!^1Peligrosso^3! 142:53 score: 9 ping: 0 client: 6 Billy-Boba Fett 142:53 score: 3 ping: 0 client: 4 ^1Scorpion 142:57 say: ^1Dark^3Jedi: gg 142:57 say: ^7[^4LC^7] TK-8252: bye bye 142:59 say: ^7[^4LC^7] TK-8252: gg 142:59 ShutdownGame: My bots may whine ("laaag!" "i hate bots!") but they never complain about "laming". Bots may be stupid, but they are smart enough not to complain about something that doesn't exist (on my servers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master William Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Amidala, your servers sound like very nice servers, but I prefer to stay away from american servers, because they give me atleast 150 ping, and I hate lag. If I ever get a better connection, I might pay you a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amidala from Chop Shop Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by Master William Amidala, your servers sound like very nice servers, but I prefer to stay away from american servers, because they give me atleast 150 ping, and I hate lag. If I ever get a better connection, I might pay you a visit. Thank you Master William, I would be very happy to have you visit You are right about ping, and due to the realities of geography, your ping will be higher. That is especially a disadvantage on the Disruption instagib server, where ping is king. Look above at TK's ping (55) and Dark Jedi's (53). They will have an advantage in that game. It's not as critical in non-instagib play. I know you are in Sweden. I have at least a couple of regulars from Finland, and one of them, IceStorm, is one of the top Chop Shop players, despite his ping usually running over 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Those bots were so easy it was pathetic. I knew that they were bots, because they had 0 ping. But I meant back in JK2, when the server was full of real people. I couldn't find your disruption server in the master list thing, just the saber servers. I had to put in the IP, is that why no one goes there yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK | unnamed Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 I know you honor nerds want your perfect little structured Jedi fantasy worlds but the thing you always fail to forget is.... These are people you are dealing with on your servers, not bots, not actors in a star wars movie. Some people just want to play a game. If don't want game players on your servers, lock them and give the password to your regulars. But letting the general public in and then pinning them to the ground with sleep commands (for the crime of playing the game) and then proceeding to tower over them and lecture them like children or demean them with insults is just a little fantasy Jedi power trip for you people and you damn well know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by FK | unnamed fail to forget That means we remember. We remember that we are dealing with real people. Not bots, not Star Wars actors... If we lock servers, how do new people get in? If someone is new to the game and wants to play with an honor code and all the honor servers are locked... how does he get in? He's forced to play with the big boys in the fight servers. And if your server you're a regular at is full, and you don't want to fight in a server, I guess you don't get to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amidala from Chop Shop Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Originally posted by TK8252MJL I couldn't find your disruption server in the master list thing, just the saber servers. I had to put in the IP, is that why no one goes there yet? It shows up in mine. Make sure the ingame browser has Game: All and Type: N\A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zERoCooL2479 Posted December 11, 2003 Author Share Posted December 11, 2003 1.1 released in three different versions. 1) Win32 .zip file 2) Linux tar.gx file 3) Windows Installer choose which one you want. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PerfectAgent_ Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by TK8252MJL If we lock servers, how do new people get in? If someone is new to the game and wants to play with an honor code and all the honor servers are locked... how does he get in? If they were new to the game, they really wouldn't know about "honor code." He's forced to play with the big boys in the fight servers. Sure, why not? That's how I started JK2. (The 1.02 days) And if your server you're a regular at is full, and you don't want to fight in a server, I guess you don't get to play. If I didn't want to fight, I'd use an instant messenger program and surf the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by _PerfectAgent_ If they were new to the game, they really wouldn't know about "honor code." Not true. Originally posted by _PerfectAgent_ If I didn't want to fight, I'd use an instant messenger program and surf the web. Hmm, well that's just you isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK | unnamed Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 bowing is gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by FK | unnamed bowing is gay. Well that was random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PerfectAgent_ Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by TK8252MJL Well that was random. I concur. Well, it was very straight to the point... I guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g//anarki Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by TK8252MJL Not true. How so? No other game besides JK2 had an honor code. Hmm, well that's just you isn't it? Most people actually, a game seems to be impractical to use as a chat client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by g//plaZma How so? No other game besides JK2 had an honor code. Who knows? Maybe they've been reading on forums and stuff like that and want to play in a more "structured" environment. Jedi Outcast/Academy isn't like most other games now are they? Originally posted by g//plaZma Most people actually, a game seems to be impractical to use as a chat client. True that the game was not meant to be a chat program. But if it weren't for the chat feature I would never be where I am today... in clan [LC], and an admin at JK3Files. Heck, there wouldn't be any clans at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PerfectAgent_ Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Who's "they?" And the environment is structured enough through the way the game was made already. Oh and about the chat thing, I think he meant about the abuse of chat, not the simple use of it (not saying you do so or anything like that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 If you were following the discussion you'd know who "they" are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g//anarki Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Originally posted by TK8252MJL Who knows? Maybe they've been reading on forums and stuff like that and want to play in a more "structured" environment. Jedi Outcast/Academy isn't like most other games now are they? Are you telling me every newcomer has been reading forums and stuff about honor? True that the game was not meant to be a chat program. But if it weren't for the chat feature I would never be where I am today... in clan [LC], and an admin at JK3Files. Heck, there wouldn't be any clans at all. You know damn well what I mean. The game has a chat option, true but the most I've ever chatted at once was just a few words. Knowing how to use the chat button didn't exactly get me in any clans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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