tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn And as I said in a prev. post, God does experience time, he just insnt effected by it. back up what you say, tfighter. Dont call someone stupid, then not explain why. And Israel may be mostly jewish, not believing in Jesus, but Israel is largely popular in the Bible and Jesus lived there. Ever hear of free samples? But some of the Mid. East is good, but alot is bad. Just like everywhere. And you get onto me for looking down on other countries! You are just the same way, Mort. But with America. I don't look down at America, I know a lot of americans, most of them are ok. And you know what? I believe in what Jesus meant to do, not what the christians turned it into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 I was actually talking to Mort. And When I called the countries crappy, I meant most besides the ones mentioned. I probably should have clarified that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyrnx Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 For all of you wondering what Hell might be like read Gehenna. Excellent book! Tells what Hell is most like, even mentions Dante'. I would advise though that Gehenna IS NOT FOR CHILDREN! I, a teen, read it and parts even disgusted me. Other then that it is excellent. Of course Gehenna is nowwhere near how horrible Hell really is.... Lyrnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 it intrigues me. I'll have to give it a look. thanx for the suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn I was actually talking to Mort. And When I called the countries crappy, I meant most besides the ones mentioned. I probably should have clarified that. It's just that by saying crappy, you show that you know nothing about it. Probably all you know is that they're dictatorships, hell, that's about all I know. You can't really judge any country, even an arab country, before you've been there. Note that I have no intention to go to any arab country ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 You ahve been MOST busy while i was sleeping. Can someone give me a quick recap of what's going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort-Hog Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I would never be so blatantly ignorant as to describe any country as "crappy". Nor would I be so blatantly arrogant as to describe any country as "best". I am simply outlining the negative aspects of America, of which there are numerous. My posts are in response to yours. Note that I have no intention to go to any arab country ever. Right, and this alone is proof that anything you have to say about Arab countries is utterly meaningless. And it is also proof of how effective the anti-arab propaganda is in America. Not only do you soak up the heavily distorted picture of those countries you see, but even when you accept that distortion you have no interest in actually finding out what they are like. Why do you have no intention of visiting the Middle East? They all have lovely climates, if you choose the time of year carefully. The red sea is great for going diving. Libya is opening its borders and has an interesting mix of socialist and Muslim culture that I very much hope to experience before it becomes too touristy. Egypt is particularly fascinating, with its ancient history, and I would advise everyone to visit Egypt at least once in their life. Yes, there are some countries that you probably won't get into, like Iran, or Saudi Arabia. You definitely won't get into Mecca in Saudio Arabia. As for Israel... It is World War 1, and Britain and Germany are at war. Germany is essentially defeating Britain, but cannot afford to continue and so is trying to negociate peace with Britain. They want to go back to what it was like before the war. Britain is seriously considering this option, but then the Jews come along. The World Zionist Organisation say to Britain that they can get America to enter the war and defeat Germany, if Britain gives them Palestine. Britain agrees, even though Britain had no claim to Palestine at all. Britain was giving the WZO land that didn't belong to them. That is illegal. Even so, you cannot deny the current illegal occupation of Palestinian land and the illegal construction work of the wall across the Gaza strip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Right, and this alone is proof that anything you have to say about Arab countries is utterly meaningless. And it is also proof of how effective the anti-arab propaganda is in America.This alone makes your argumant about me meaningless, cuz I live in Israel. You know it's not very safe for an Israeli to go to an arab country. The UN agreement was to devide Israel\Palastine into two countries, and arab country and Israel. The arabs weren't cool with that and attacked us. We won. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1GC Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Why would anyone want to go to the middle east its like a beach without water. I tell you what if I lived there I would be pissed at the world too. Nothing but sand, I actually feel sorry for the people over there. Mort, you say that if we believe in God we should follow Islam, but what did Muhammed ever do? Jesus healed tons of people, he was a kind person who just asked for people to folow him and love God, he wanted nothing else. He even rose from the dead. What did Muhammed do that was so great? Did he rise from the dead...if not what can be more powerful than that? another theing Mort, you said earlier that terrosim has just begun adn that tons of suicide bombers will terorise us. Then you talk about Germany and Britin in WWI. Do not speak of both things. The Germans (who I am not defending) in WWI and WWII fought with honor directly in front of their enemy. The Muslims faith fights like P*ssies. I mean yall want to win by sneaking around, that bs. I mean who in the right mind will be told to go kill themselves says, "hell yea great idea, I am going to go kill myself" wow. fight like you have a pair Americans are voer there standing in the middle of the road with his M16 waiting for someone to come out and challenge them, but no you go around and crawl up on your hands and knees and blow yourself up. What can get more lame than that? 1 other thing, you think that we are becoming afraid of you. But i have more and more friends going into the military just so they can get a chance to kill a couple turban heads edit: yes i do mean the terrorist muslims (sorry just used to genral of a term) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Hey! First off: You are aclling all muslims pussies! You mean to say: All terrorrists that blow themselves up are pussies. Muslims have this thing called 'jihad' or holy ar, and if you die during the holy war, you go straight to heaven. that's why they blow themselves up. It's easy, efficient, and they go stright to heaven. They are int heir right minds, only they're not afraid to die. But i have more and more friends going into the military just so they can get a chance to kill a couple turban heads That is a lame reason and i do hope you mean terrorrists by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by B1GC Why would anyone want to go to the middle east its like a beach without water. I tell you what if I lived there I would be pissed at the world too. Nothing but sand, I actually feel sorry for the people over there. What a jolly show of ignorance The only beach I know have water, not like I've seen it lately, cuz I'm a geek and all, but it's only a few minutes away. Yes, there is a desert in Israel, it's called the negev. But if you look to the north it's all green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort-Hog Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Oh right. Yes, it probably isn't a good idea for Jews to travel in the Middle East, even less so Israelis. But lots of people hate Jews, not just Arabs. Mort, you say that if we believe in God we should follow Islam, but what did Muhammed ever do? Jesus healed tons of people, he was a kind person who just asked for people to folow him and love God, he wanted nothing else. He even rose from the dead. What did Muhammed do that was so great? No, Muhammed didn't do any Jesus-style parlour tricks and didn't have to bribe followers with cheap 'miracles'. Muhammed personally is irrelevant, he never claimed to be the son of God, he never claimed to live forever, he never claimed to be any more than an honest merchant. All he did was speak forth the word of God, and he changed the world just by that word. He didn't have to conjour up some tricks to try and 'prove' himself. It was not Muhammed that made a difference, it was God. Muhammed was merely his messenger. I think it is a tribute to the power of Islam that people follow him simply by his word, and did not need magic tricks to see that he was speaking the word of God. Americans are voer there standing in the middle of the road with his M16 waiting for someone to come out and challenge them, but no you go around and crawl up on your hands and knees and blow yourself up. What can get more lame than that? This is the new age of war. You forget that these soldiers are killing themselves for their cause. They are willingly giving their own lives. Think about that. You believe in things, I'm sure, believe in things strongly. Strongly enough to blow yourself up over it? The American soldiers might consider themselves "patriots" because they are fighting for their country. Yes, they are willing to kill for their cause, but are they willing to die? They are putting themselves in a position where they are likely to die, yes, but that is certainly not the same thing as actually killing yourself. If American soldiers were told that they had to carry a bomb right up to a target and detonate themselves, do you seriously think many would do that? Throughout history, Americans military tactics have always been in order to prevent American deaths, and the actual cause for fighting has come second. In Vietnam, Americans bombed thousands of Vietnamese because a dozen of them might be Vietcong. They took civilian Vietnamese lives in order to protect American soldiers. In Korea, Americans bombed hundreds of refugees, the infamous Kill-em-all tactic, because they were afraid that Chinese might be hiding within them. They took civilian Korean lives in order to protect American soldiers. In Iraq, Americans bombed thousands of Iraqi civilians, in the Shock-and-Awe campaign and others, because they were afraid that resistance fighters might be among them. The most notable example of this is where Americans found a large group of people firing weapons into the air in a remote area of Iraq. They were afraid that they were resistance fighters, and they bombed them all. They later discovered that it was a wedding party, and they were setting off fireworks. If the Americans had sent out one or two American soldiers in a car to find out exactly what it was, they would have saved those Iraqi civilians. Yes, if they were resistance fighters the Americans would probably have been killed, but they are soldiers and that is their job. But it is because the Americans are willing to do anything in order to prevent American military fatalities that is the cause of such ridiculous civilian death tolls. In the style of war that Americans (and pretty much everyone else too) are used to is the standard military encounter of enemy soldiers advancing across a battlefield and your soldiers move towards them and they fight (yes, there are countless tactics such as moving in across the flanks and such but that is essentially it). The one that kills the enemy wins. That age of war is over. This is the new age of war. This is suicide guerella war. The Americans are fighting an enemy that are willing to kill themselves fighting. They are totally willing to die. How can you possibly fight against that? And this is a war not of individuals, but of causes. This is like the Cold War, except this is actually war. For the Americans, protecting individual soldiers is the key. For the resistance fighters, individuals are irrelevant. Osama bin Laden is not important. If he is killed, it will make no difference. For every fighter that is killed, a dozen more will join the cause, and it is that cause, that hatred for America, that is the key. The children of those slaughtered by the Americans at that wedding party, can you imagine how they will grow up? They will grow up without parents or siblings because of the Americans. They will grow up desperately hating America, and willing to do everything in their power to attack it. The Americans have already spawned the suicide bombers of the future. What is more "lame"? The soldier that merely sits in his plane and presses a button, or the fighter that carries a bomb right up to his target and detonates himself. What is more "lame"? The soldier that joined the army just to get some extra money to get through college, or the fighter that joined the cause with nothing but determination and hatred? What is more "lame"? The soldier that has millions of dollars of technology at his disposal, or the fighter that uses his body as a weapon? The answers are not actually important, because the cause is always growing in size, growing in hatred and growing in determination, this is why the Americans will surely lose. Fighting the "war on terror" with old-style military tactics is not working. It will not work and it cannot work. Unless something changes in American foreign policy, America will lose. Perhaps it is already too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Oh right. Yes, it probably isn't a good idea for Jews to travel in the Middle East, even less so Israelis. But lots of people hate Jews, not just Arabs.The fact that you're a f*cking nazi doesn't mean the whole world is. I think the people from http://www.racist-jokes.com are missing you you stupid fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn And as I said in a prev. post, God does experience time, he just insnt effected by it. *sigh* I'm not questioning the nature of the Judeo-Christian God. I know that. I know that He is not effected by time, but you are missing my point. Read my post properly. ... Or I might as well give up, because if you're not going to read and understand what I'm saying, then there's no point. About the countries thing: c'mon, people. All countries and people are equal - just some governments work "better" than others. Just because the US is currently doing very well doesn't mean that it's superior in the world. Just look at history - America is onlu enjoying a brief spell of success. Also, FighterPilot - I might be wrong, but I think you've misunderstood Mort. :~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by Gabez *sigh* I'm not questioning the nature of the Judeo-Christian God. I know that. I know that He is not effected by time, but you are missing my point. Read my post properly. ... Or I might as well give up, because if you're not going to read and understand what I'm saying, then there's no point. About the countries thing: c'mon, people. All countries and people are equal - just some governments work "better" than others. Just because the US is currently doing very well doesn't mean that it's superior in the world. Just look at history - America is onlu enjoying a brief spell of success. Also, FighterPilot - I might be wrong, but I think you've misunderstood Mort. :~ I doubt it, the man supports terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 thats what I got out of it. And blowing themselves up fopr a cause, what a load of crap! They think that when they die they will get 70 something virgins. Do the math! Men dont outnumber women that much, especially women who've never had sex. There is no logic. Suicide bombers arent heroic, there are ignorant. Even like with Israel vs. Palaestine. Israel's been holding it's hold since way beofre I was born. I actually was considering going down there, but with the war and all, I can't until I turn 18. (House Rules) This guy went there and told me how awesome it was. Hey, tfighter do you know Hebrew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn thats what I got out of it. And blowing themselves up fopr a cause, what a load of crap! They think that when they die they will get 70 something virgins. Do the math! Men dont outnumber women that much, especially women who've never had sex. There is no logic. Suicide bombers arent heroic, there are ignorant. Even like with Israel vs. Palaestine. Israel's been holding it's hold since way beofre I was born. I actually was considering going down there, but with the war and all, I can't until I turn 18. (House Rules) This guy went there and told me how awesome it was. Hey, tfighter do you know Hebrew? LMAO! That must be the stupidest question EVER! Let's ask now someone from france if he know french Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 The whole "America is the best country in the world" really irks me. Just WHY is it better than other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Erm... like i asked before, can someone tell me what the heck you've been talking about in my absence? Anyway, about america being the best: That's one of the things we're discussing. Man, the topic's all over the place. ooh, is that a piece of filosify on the floor there? By the way, Yaeb, why are you so pro-american, you said you live in Denmark, and you talked Dutch very weird Was that on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Actually, I said I wa smoving to denamrk, I'm not now, though. I love the Hebrew language. I heard some lady sing in it once, its beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I bet... Though i haven't. Let's see if there's something for me to say to get back on topic... hmmm, no. Well, let's just get back on topic then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Here's some more Philosophy of Religion for you: "Are things good because God says they are, or does God simply command things which are good?" If the former is true, then God will be theoretically able to say ANYTHING is good. So He might make murder "good" - but does that really make it good? If the latter is the case, then God Himself adhears to a set of external laws of morality, which is against the nature of the God of classical theism, because there is nothing greater than God. Nothing above Him. He answers to nothing. And yet a set of moral laws which even He follows would suggest that there is. I'll just stress that the points I am raising are key philoshopical dilemas that have been debated for thousands of years (the above was thought up by Plato, for instance) - so please don't just say "Ah, but God is good!" or words to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Heh, nice new sig... right from this very thread:D Oh, i know a way to get abck on topic: About the tiem, and free will thing. What if God sees you will wear a blue jacket tomorrow, and then you go to your closet, and decide to take the red one. You see, as Yoda said so nicely before me, 'always in motion, the future is.' because 'the future' is created as we make desicions. And there is no way of knowing what those desicions will be if you do not make them. erm, Tfighterpilot, you probably DID misunderstand Mort.There's no indication of him being Neo-nazi in any of the posts i read, he's just saying that there ARE many Neo-nazi's and racists in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tFighterPilot Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Originally posted by Doomgiver Heh, nice new sig... right from this very thread:D Oh, i know a way to get abck on topic: About the tiem, and free will thing. What if God sees you will wear a blue jacket tomorrow, and then you go to your closet, and decide to take the red one. You see, as Yoda said so nicely before me, 'always in motion, the future is.' because 'the future' is created as we make desicions. And there is no way of knowing what those desicions will be if you do not make them. erm, Tfighterpilot, you probably DID misunderstand Mort.There's no indication of him being Neo-nazi in any of the posts i read, he's just saying that there ARE many Neo-nazi's and racists in the world. Yeah, nazi isn't the word, I meant pro terrorist. To bring some humor to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Uhm, no, he's just making a good point. He just compares the terrorrists with the americans. Actually, he's also wrong. He says that Americans have bombed innocent people a lot because they didn't want to send in soldiers that may have gotten hurt. But terrorrists also blow up everything in a wide area. two american soldiers in a flat full of civilians, a terrorrist wanting to blow them up, the entire flat goes down. It's the same. But he's not really supporting terrorrists, he's saying that the American way of fighting is stupid. A wedding party... sucks to be them. But i hafta admit, funny pic. but the text with it is even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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