Achilles Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hi! Welcome to Holowan Laboratories. Odds are that if you’re reading this, you are interested in finding or creating mods for Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. We are glad that you are here, and we sincerely hope that you are able to find everything that you need, whether it is a mod, a tutorial, or just a little help. Before creating a new post, please be sure to utilize one of the two methods of information retrieval that have been provided to help you find what you are looking for quickly and efficiently. The community has been around for quite some time and it is very likely that your question/request has been posted before. If so, your time is better spent looking for an existing material than it is posting a new message and waiting for a response. With that said here is a brief introduction to the resources that are available to you: Resource 1: The Search Function This little tool is often overlooked, however it can save you a lot of time if you are looking for information. The Search tool can be found in the lower right hand corner of the main page, below the list of threads. The tool will not allow you to search for terms that are fewer than 4 characters. Therefore, the term that you enter into the Search field must have 4 or more characters. Similar to other tools of this type, if you put garbage in, you will get garbage out. This means that if you use common terms, you're likely to recieve a large number of results, of which, most will be irrelavent. If you perform a search and receive a large number of results, you should probably try searching again for something more specific. To refine your search, continue to add relevant terms to your search. For instance, searching for the term "mod" is likely to result in more hits than you would care read through. However, if you are looking for information regarding a "lightsaber mod", then entering that into the Search field will greatly reduce the number of results that you get back. Furthermore, a search for "Malak lightsaber mod" is most likely going to result in a few specific threads that you can read through quickly. Repeat this process until you have a reasonable amount of threads to review. If you feel that you have been as specific as possible, but still have multiple pages of threads to sort through, you should feel lucky...this means that there is a lot of discussion surrounding this topic and you will have no trouble finding what you are looking for. It also means that you should definitely not start a new thread Keep in mind that the forum's engine will automatically highlight your seach term in the message. This will help you quickly determine if you have found what you are looking for. Using the Search tool should always be your first step when looking for information in this forum. Resource 2: “Stuck” Threads These threads are considered the cornerstone of this forum and as such the information that you will find in them is invaluable. The following is a synopsis of what you can expect to find in each of the existing “Stickies”. Holowan Laboratories: Forum Rules and Etiquette – Please be sure to read this right away. It contains important information regarding acceptable conduct in this forum. Mod Requests(2): Post your desires here – This thread has been created as a repository of all mod requests. If you would like to make a request for a specific mod, post as reply in this thread and someone will get back to you. Guide for the newbie: how to install mods/what tools do you need to start modding – As the title states, this is a great place to get started if you would like to learn more about how mods work, etc. Do you Want to mod SW-KotOR? Then Start here. – This is where you will find the latest and greatest modding tutorials and links to helpful discussions. This is a must-read if you want to try your hand at modding KotOR. List of downloads - Tools and mods – Look in here to find links to all the tools that you will need to make your own mods as well as links to some existing mods. PC Version Cheat Codes – Cheat codes will allow you to “unlock the doors” to this great game. This thread contains information that will help you find all of the warp codes and giveitem cheats for KotOR. New Module + Dialogue Creating In depth tutorial – This a great tutorial that touches on just about every aspect of modding KotOR. Check the Do you Want to mod SW-KotOR? Then Start here thread for more single-area specific tutorials. Where Can I Host My Mod? - If you have created a mod and would like to share it with others, but don't want to make/use your own website, use this thread to learn more about your options. If you don't find what you are looking for using either of these two resources, then you may want to consider starting a new thread or posting a request in the appropriate "Sticky". Please remember to follow the forum rules when posting and include enough information so that veteran forum members can assist you. Please enjoy your visit to this forum. Thanks for reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono_Giganto Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Great job Achilles, about time someone made something like this. (I dunno why I didn't. ) Good job, obvious nomination for sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkkender Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I second the nomination this belongs in the stickies at the top before any other sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shosey Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 very good. I'm glad somebody typed this up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Dex Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 About time we where strating to get a bunch of how do i make a item theards again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Originally posted by darkkender I second the nomination this belongs in the stickies at the top before any other sticky. and i third it!! (no disrespect intended towards anyone...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 We all ready have a lot of stuck threads, but this one is pretty good Achillies. Maybe if it is stuck then locked so it wouldn't get any bigger that would be OK. Just my 2 cents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 ^^^^ Agreed we do have quite a bunch of stuck threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T7nowhere Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I don't feel this that we really need another stuck thread. This is a good idea,But as evidance that we cannot force new users to read a stuck is the fact that many igore the stuck threads to beggin with and haveing a new stuck telling users to read the stuck threads seems counter productive. Don't get me wrong though I appreciate the intent of this thread, but isn't really needed. I think we have too many stucks right now and have suggested to Prime and Darth333 that we clean it up. The way I see it is if there are too many stuck threads it could overwhelm a new user and they will simply make a new thread asking a question that has been asked a dozen times. edit:however It may yet to be decided to merge the first post with another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Instead of the Stuck threads reading "Stuck: Example Thread", could you make it say "Read First: Example Thread" or something like that, is that possible??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Originally posted by maverick187 Instead of the Stuck threads reading "Stuck: Example Thread", could you make it say "Read First: Example Thread" or something like that, is that possible??? That's a good idea. I had a suggestion as well: Stuck: Forum Rules & Ettiquette Stuck: Mod Requests Stuck: Modding Tools Stuck: Modding Tutorials The way I look at it, everything should fit into one of those four categories. Just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T7nowhere Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Originally posted by Achilles That's a good idea. I had a suggestion as well: Stuck: Forum Rules & Ettiquette Stuck: Mod Requests Stuck: Modding Tools Stuck: Modding Tutorials The way I look at it, everything should fit into one of those four categories. Just my 2 cents ah I see where your going and it would make things clean, but it's abit to "sterile" no offense intended. I think Order is good thing, But I appreciate alittle personality in the titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I have to agree with t7 on this, this thread is excellent but I am not sure that having a sticky that tells people to read the other stickies will have any effect. We always get many questions about how to I start modding, where do I download kotor tool, how do I get the cheats working, how do I install a mod...despite the fact that we have stuck threads entitled: - List of downloads - Tools and mods - PC Version Cheat Codes - Guide for the newbie: how to install mods/What do I need to start modding? Clearly, people asking this came with a specific question in mind and did not bothered with anything else We will always continue to get similar questions. This is the lot of all forums... I think a link to the present thread could be posted in the threads asking those questions and/or as t7 mentionned, perhaps merge it with another thread... Concerning the titles, t7 and I slightly modified the title of our threads: - t7 added "Mod Tutorials!" - and I added "+Downloads" at the end of my Guide's title (other suggestions welcomed) I think it is fun to have varied titles however: after all, Holowan labs is not a governement office I think part of the solution resides in cleaning up the existing sitckies as indicated by t7. We are working on it - When there are too many strickies, people do not tend to look at them. On a side note, I have a suggestion for the description of the Guide for the Newbie. You do whatever you want with it: it's your thread When I made this Guide I tried to list and describe the tools needed to make mods per mod category and provide direct links for downloads. It also contains some tips on using the tools and links to basic info on how to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 While this is certainly a good thread, the initial thought is already covered in the Rules and Etiquette thread under Rule #2: 2. Check if your question has already been asked Most likely if you have a question, it has been asked before. Please use the Search Feature to see if this is true in your case. The button as at the top of the page. Also, if you are just getting started into modding, please check the Do you Want to mod SW-KotOR? Then Start here and List of downloads - Tools and mods threads. There is tons of information in those to get you started. It is a lot easier to get help when you have played around a bit and can ask specific questions. If we like we can add a link to this thread, but I don't think it needs to be a sticky as the basic information is already currently stickied. I agree with T7 and Darth that there are too many stickies as it is, and people obviously don't read them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom_Dealer Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 OK, i really should say i dont mind having my Module Tutorial thread unstuck, it really belongs in the other stickies with a link, so if u want to reduce the number of stickies feel free to unstick mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 If I may.... Originally posted by T7nowhere ah I see where your going and it would make things clean, but it's abit to "sterile" no offense intended. I think Order is good thing, But I appreciate alittle personality in the titles. I agree that personality is important. My suggestion was based on the fact that we seem to be getting more and more vistors for which English is not their primarly language and/or do not have the most exemplary reading comprehension skills (no offense intended toward anyone). I think "personality" may be causing some new visitors to miss important information. It is quite possible that I have no idea what I'm talking about Originally posted by Darth333 I think it is fun to have varied titles however: after all, Holowan labs is not a governement office You're absolutely right. It appears that thread names are potentially a sore point, so I'm going to humbly defend my suggestion once and then drop it Originally posted by Prime While this is certainly a good thread, the initial thought is already covered in the Rules and Etiquette thread under Rule #2 . . If we like we can add a link to this thread, but I don't think it needs to be a sticky as the basic information is already currently stickied. I agree with T7 and Darth that there are too many stickies as it is, and people obviously don't read them... Agreed on every point here. I've run into a few situations recently where people obviously did not know how to use the search function and I wanted to be able to point them to something other than the forum rules for help. Instead of typing a new message every time, I decided to invest a little time in creating one comprehensive message that new visitors can be referred to...that's all Ok....I'm done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bneezy Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I absolutely agree with Achilies. It is hard to even tell what is STUCK up there in that mess. When the titles run into multiple lines, that makes it even worse. Stuck: Forum Rules & Ettiquette Stuck: Mod Requests Stuck: Modding Tools Stuck: Modding Tutorials That would be clear and easy to read. Even for those who "no speaka the English". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorden Darkblade Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Great Job Achilles This should really be sticked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Yoinked* Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Stuck: Forum Rules & Ettiquette Stuck: Mod Requests Stuck: Modding Tools Stuck: Modding Tutorials I think that is perfect for since im norwegian by birth english is not my native language,that makes the most sense of all. ps i get a sense of despair just looking at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I'm going to disagree that this be a stuck topic. However, I think all the closed topics should be deleted. You can delete mine, the ones that are closed. However, I do agree that the stuck ones need to be organized, and also they should have a prefix, or something like that, saying, *IMPORTANT* That would tell me there is something important to read, and to read it. On another note, I think guides should be done in a text format, and be available for downloading, and reading at a person's leisure. Not all of us are on an always online connection. I have to parcel out time to be online to read everything. Any guide done, either as a text format or .pdf will be better read, especially for someone like me. Also, it would give me something to read, and something to do offline, and be able to answer some of my immediate quesions. I apologize for getting off on rants here, but these are my opinions, and well, take them for what they are worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted September 20, 2004 Author Share Posted September 20, 2004 Sgt Strike, You can download all my tutorials and other resources from my web page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Originally posted by Sgt. Strike On another note, I think guides should be done in a text format, and be available for downloading, and reading at a person's leisure. Not all of us are on an always online connection. I have to parcel out time to be online to read everything. Any guide done, either as a text format or .pdf will be better read, especially for someone like me. Also, it would give me something to read, and something to do offline, and be able to answer some of my immediate quesions. I agree that this would be ideal but making a tutorial available in text format is the author's decision. Most of the tutorials were made "on the spot" to provide an answer to a specific question and many authors never had in mind that their thread would be stuck or refered to into a sticky. You also have to keep in mind that all this have been developped in a very short time - the first tools have been released about 7 months ago and they did not have all the functions that they have now. Modding Kotor was an exploratory process, where everyone was trying to figure how things work and those threads became tutorials - Now, in order to make them in text format, everything would have to be re-written, which can be quite time consuming...personally I prefer to invest the litttle free time I have left when I get home somewhere else. Perhaps the next tutorial On a side note, you still can download a page if you want in order to make it available when you are offline. ( I have a folder full of those threads for quick reference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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