MachineCult Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Oh my god, this is the oldest thread any noob has ever revived ever. Anakin brought balance to the force, in his own special drawn out, turn-to-evil-first way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Anakin did bring balance to the Force. Anyone who has to ask needs to watch ROTJ again. Now. And no, this is not the oldest revived thread. I hold that record from my first days here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Technically in order to bring balance to the Force, both sides must be in equilibrium. The prophecy is in fact a contradiction, unless you destroy the Jedi and the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Technically in order to bring balance to the Force, both sides must be in equilibrium. The prophecy is in fact a contradiction, unless you destroy the Jedi and the Sith. No, because the Dark Side is what brought the Force out of balance. It isn't the Light Side and Dark Side, it's The Force, and the Dark Side of the Force. If only the force exists than it is in balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I see, so you don't think there's a light side but there is a dark side? Well, some think there are no sides of the Force at all. Well, if there is no light side then there is no dark side, and therefore, you see Potentium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Well I guess you can call it the light side, but it makes more sense when you just call the Jedi's way the Force because having only the Light Side/Force is being in balance, and saying light side sounds like it isnt balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 A cookie for DM. The Force is in a natural state of balance when there is no Sith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foshjedi2004 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 The Force is in Balance when the user surrenders himself to the Will of the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 the Will of the Force.Which is what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Solo Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Technically Anakin did bring balance to the force when he destroyed palpatine but luke also technically did it to because he got vader to turn back and destroy palpatine. So yea, anakin did bring balance to the force but luke also helped to save the galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Luke was a catalyst to Anakin fullfilling his destiny, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkodeon Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Wow, we are SO pulling Godwin's Law. Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an adage in Internet culture originated by Mike Godwin on Usenet in 1990 that states: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. XDD Is the comparisons between Nazi Germany and the Empire really necessary? ___________________________________________________________ I truly believe that Anakin was the one to bring balance to the force; dissimilar, however, is the way that this was played out. We all concieve that balance means "Between Light and Dark," or "Between Jedi and Sith." We have not stopped to consider that this could possibly mean... "Amongst the Jedi." How, you ask? Simple. The Jedi were always selfless, always thinking of others. Anakin, however, was a little different in the way that he had a wife, and he had two children. Granted, other Jedi had children; Ki-Adi-Mundi, because his world was underpopulated, had .. three, if I remember correctly. But none of these romances/offspring brough about a major change within the Jedi. Anakin, through the birth of Luke and Leia, brought about a major change within the Jedi Order: The ability to show passion and love, the heart of all life. It is widely known that the New Jedi Order was able to have romance, have children, etc. etc. The Old Jedi were not able to do this, and I think that contributed to their downfall: they had nothing, really, to fight for. Ki-Adi-Mundi took wives because he had to reproduce his culture. Quinlan Vos, however, is a slight exception. But he appears to have no significant impact on the Jedi Order; this may be contested after, however. Therefore, at least part of the prophesy, may have been about bringing balance back to the Jedi Order itself. But in no way am I saying this negates the other parts of the prophesy; namely that which is called "The Sith'Ari." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeseinator Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 sure he did, at the end of the clone wars there were 2 jedi and 2 sith.... see? balance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 sure he did, at the end of the clone wars there were 2 jedi and 2 sith.... see? balance... Infact there was quite a few jedi left after the clone wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeseinator Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Infact there was quite a few jedi left after the clone wars. officially no, unoficially, yes. darn EU always making crap like that for commercial purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 officially no, unoficially, yes. darn EU always making crap like that for commercial purposes Its canon which makes it official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 It's official EU Cheeseinator, Obi-wan even sends out a message to all surviving Jedi to stay away from the temple. There were thousands of Jedi, nowhere near all of them were serving as Generals, the Purge was not completely successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Well, you'd have to check and see what's been retconned since ROTS, since it sure makes it look like they're all dead except for three, and anybody else gets mopped up, because Yoda thought Luke was the "last of the Jedi." Then again Obi-Wan forgot about Leia, so blame that on Lucas's continuity gaffes... As to the "Light Side" as far as I can remember it was a term invented for the games (correct me if I'm wrong), for gameplay mechanics. In the movies it's never mentioned. There's just "the Force" (or "the Good Side" as Luke mentions in ROTJ) and then the "Dark Side" (the corruption of the Force, via the early Scripts of the "para-force"). So having the Force balanced when Anakin kills Sideous and then comes back from the Darkside (and dies) works just fine for the "prophecy." The Jedi just didn't realize that all this other crap would happen in between. My question is, why would they think the prophecy would need balancing back in TPM, before they knew about the Sith? Bit of a plot hole I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 sure he did, at the end of the clone wars there were 2 jedi and 2 sith.... see? balance...That is not the balance that the prophecy is refering to... The Jedi just didn't realize that all this other crap would happen in between. My question is, why would they think the prophecy would need balancing back in TPM, before they knew about the Sith? Bit of a plot hole I guess..I saw somewhere recently (New Essential Chronology I think) that the presence of the dark side was felt before the events of TPM. The Jedi were just unaware of the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I must confess I don't really trust the NEW Essential Guides too well as they seem poorly researched and hastily thrown together (just so they can have color pictures and mention the NJO and prequel stuff). But if you can produce some quotes that might help... Sometimes those guides quote (or misquote) stuff from other sources, and sometimes they just flat out make stuff up (which often gets ignored later). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 That is not the balance that the prophecy is refering to... I for one think it was. Otherwise you believe the narrow view of the Old Jedi Order, as opposed to the open-minded view of the New Jedi Order. What they sought was not balance, but the supremacy of the Light Side. Balance is an equilibrium of light and dark, good and evil, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I must confess I don't really trust the NEW Essential Guides too well as they seem poorly researched and hastily thrown together (just so they can have color pictures and mention the NJO and prequel stuff). But if you can produce some quotes that might help... Sometimes those guides quote (or misquote) stuff from other sources, and sometimes they just flat out make stuff up (which often gets ignored later).I'll see if I can find it. I knew I should have copied the source for a time like this. I for one think it was. You can disagree with Lucas all you want if it makes you happy... Otherwise you believe the narrow view of the Old Jedi Order, as opposed to the open-minded view of the New Jedi Order. What they sought was not balance, but the supremacy of the Light Side. Balance is an equilibrium of light and dark, good and evil, so to speak. I suggest you read the Dark Nest series. There you will see what the "open-minded" view leads to, and why Luke and the Jedi have done away with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 How many books are in the DN series as of now? I am waiting for the series to end before I start reading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 How many books are in the DN series as of now? I am waiting for the series to end before I start reading them. Its ended and there was three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I suggest you read the Dark Nest series. There you will see what the "open-minded" view leads to, and why Luke and the Jedi have done away with it... I have, and I see that a balance between the open-minded view of the NJO, and the narrow-minded view of the OJO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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