TK-8252 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Dutch may be "cool" but it's LucasForums policy that you speak english. Now, back to the thread: I pity da foo who don't think Sidious is Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Ok, I admit that the data entry that I referred to doesn't literally say that Palpatine is Darth Sidious. It does tell us that Palpatine is the Emperor. [qoute]from the Star Wars.com data bank Palpatine was the supreme ruler of the most powerful tyrannical regime the galaxy had ever witnessed It also says . . . from the Star Wars.com data bank Palpatine instituted a military build-up unprecedented in galactic history. He created the New Order, a Galactic Empire that ruled by tyranny. The Jedi Knights, his biggest threat, were extinguished by his greatest dark side pupil: Anakin Skywalker, who had become Darth Vader. The phrase "his greatest Dark Side pupil" infers several things; he was a teacher of the Dark Side arts, he had other students of the Dark Side arts. By this inference, we learn that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Remember at the end of TPM at Qui-Gon's funeral... Mace and Yoda are talking, and Mace asks "but which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?" and then the camera turns to Palpatine. Uh... DUH. I think that alone is a big enough hint. There is no need to argue this... It's so obvious any person using common sense could understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 well, we all know the emperor uses the dark side, and he has a pupil(anakin, anyone), and by that we an assume databank is telling us that the emperor is a dark-side force-user, sith(duh), but we have no concrete evidence that sidious is palpatine, all we have is a hypothetical situation and circumstancial evidence. we will find out at EpIII, but, for now, there is nothing concrete, it is all assumptions, and why is it LF made the standard language english, why not spanish or mandarin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Dude, all you're doing is analyzing the evidence. Sidious = Palpatine, 'nuff said. Some things we just know. Okay? Originally posted by Darth Rhett lol, Yes, they're the same. We even have the Rhett Seal of Approval. Remember, Dooku is telling Obi-Wan in AotC that Darth Sidious is really controlling the Senate? Well that's because Palpatine is the Supreme Chancellor. So I guess you're going to say that Count Dooku and Lord Tyranus are not the same person? And LF is an english forum because the vast majority of members speak english. It's an english site. There are SW sites in other languages, and LF is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Originally posted by TK-8252 Dude, all you're doing is analyzing the evidence. Sidious = Palpatine, 'nuff said. Some things we just know. Okay? We even have the Rhett Seal of Approval. Remember, Dooku is telling Obi-Wan in AotC that Darth Sidious is really controlling the Senate? Well that's because Palpatine is the Supreme Chancellor. So I guess you're going to say that Count Dooku and Lord Tyranus are not the same person? And LF is an english forum because the vast majority of members speak english. It's an english site. There are SW sites in other languages, and LF is not one of them. i will gladly admit dooku=tyrannus, but saying sidious=palpy is the equivalent of saying sidious=sifo dyas(sp?). there are numerous arguments to both cases, and some would gladly believe either one, however, we simply have circumstancial evidence, so until i have hard, concrete evidence that tells me otherwise, i will believe that palpy is not sidious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 There are enough clues there, it's just a matter of connecting the dots it's not really rocket science it just takes commonsense to figure out things like that. The real mysteries of the Star Wars universe involves Yoda and the name of his species... Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch and why is it LF made the standard language english, why not spanish or mandarin? get more than 50% of the forum to speak Spanish or Madarin and we'll call this a Spanish or Mandarin site. But at the moment the majority speak English so this is an English language site. The people who started LF all life in western countries and all speak English, the majority of users have english as their first language or know english. The reason why we discourage the use of other languiages is the fact that most people don't speak that language on the boards and it'd be convenient for someone to badmouth another member in another language and no one (at first) would notice. If I wanted to I could speak another language right now and say some things you wouldn't understand but I don't want to be rude. And that is the end of that issue. Back to what we're supposed to be discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 We'll have a nice "WE TOLD YOU SO" when Episode III proves us right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 fair enough, although, i think, people should be allowed to post in non-english, so long as they post what language they are speaking in... though that would defeat te purpose...but still... i will admit there is enough evidence to assume and "connect the dots" that palpatine=sidious, but, until we were proven wrong, there was plenty of evidence to say that vader literally killed anakin, so, until i know for sure, i will continue to firmly believe that sidious is not palpatine... now, if someone will offer up evidence besides that already given on this thread, i will gladly listen, and it would be probable that i would eventually agree. however, it seems like a lot of things are just being rephrased and repeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Riddle me this Batman, if Palpatine and Sidious are two separate people, what happens to Sidious? Where does he go? Why then does Palpatine become the master and Anakin stay the apprentice? Shouldn't then Anakin being Sidious' apprentice then become the master after Sidious leaves and then Palpatine become Anakin's apprentice? Why does Palpatine look exactly like Sidious? Who trains Palpatine in the ways of the Dark Side if he is not Sidious? Why did Sidious tell the Nemodians that he will make the invasion legal if he wasn't Palpatine (in TPM)? If it walks like a Dark Lord, looks like a Dark Lord, sounds like a Dark Lord, it must be a Dark Lord of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 master sidious could be, yet palpatine still apprentice.. that would account for palpy's becoming master instead of ani, i never said palpy wasnt a darth, rather, that he and sidy may well be two separate people. they could both have been dark lords, just as palpy and vader co-existed...thus, if sidy was palpy's master, sidy could tell the nemies that it was illegal because sidy could tell palpy to get nemy in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kaisen Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 And i think still that palpatine and sidious aren't the same person. it may be the same acteur, but it can be because you never seen the real face of sidious. however, does anyone of you seen episode V at the new DVD collection? there you can see a lot of new effects, and one of them is when vader and palpatine talks thereselfs (dont know the right word), palpatine looks like the same of sidious... but i still think... i dont think anything right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 You have no proof that they're different people. We have common sense on our side. Palpatine = Sidious If you think otherwise you're being wrong on purpose and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Originally posted by TK-8252 You have no proof that they're different people. We have common sense on our side. Palpatine = Sidious If you think otherwise you're being wrong on purpose and you know it. but the thing is, you have no more proof he is sidy than we have that he isn't sidy, you can't prove beyond a shadow of doubt he is sidy yet. there is no more common sense to your statement then there is to mine and you know it, you are just to ignorant and crowd-pleasing to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palpatine Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Originally posted by Lord Kaisen And i think still that palpatine and sidious aren't the same person. it may be the same acteur, but it can be because you never seen the real face of sidious. however, does anyone of you seen episode V at the new DVD collection? there you can see a lot of new effects, and one of them is when vader and palpatine talks thereselfs (dont know the right word), palpatine looks like the same of sidious... but i still think... i dont think anything right now... *Sigh* If nothing else helps then review the cast list: Cast overview, first billed only: Ewan McGregor .... Obi-Wan/Ben Kenobi Hayden Christensen .... Anakin Skywalker/Lord Darth Vader Natalie Portman .... Senator Amidala/Padmé Naberrie-Skywalker Ian McDiarmid .... Supreme Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Samuel L. Jackson .... Mace Windu Christopher Lee .... Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus Anthony Daniels .... C-3PO Kenny Baker .... R2-D2 Peter Mayhew .... Chewbacca Frank Oz .... Yoda (voice) Jimmy Smits .... Bail Organa Genevieve O'Reilly .... Senator Mon Mothma Ahmed Best .... Jar Jar Binks Jay Laga'aia .... Captain Typho Joel Edgerton .... Owen Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Now what, will you pull a "they're clones" argument on us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 i have no doubt that they are played by the same person, but they are not the same personae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I have a question, are you argueing for the sake of argueing or do you really doubt that Palpatine and Sidious are two different people... a name isn't going to change who they are. Example: If I go by Lynk Former or my real life name I'll still be the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 i have not seen sufficiet evidence to tell me that they are the same person, and showing me cast lists, or saying they look alike does not help. al i have seen is things to the effect of: sidy did it, and palpy did it, and they look the same, so they must be the same, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Yeah... and I haven't seen enough evidence to prove this computer I'm at is connected to the internet or it's just some sort of simulation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palpatine Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch i have not seen sufficiet evidence to tell me that they are the same person, and showing me cast lists, or saying they look alike does not help. al i have seen is things to the effect of: sidy did it, and palpy did it, and they look the same, so they must be the same, etc. *Major Sigh* Because they are the SAME! Palpatine was a Sith Lord, what you should know by now cause he is the emperor in Episode VI and blasts electric bolts out of his hands what only a force sensitive person can do, and only dark side jedis use those powers. Palpatine, like other Siths, adobted a new name so Palpatine took Darth Sidious. He used his old name just to manipulate the galactic senate and to become the emperor. Since Jedi Council tracked most of the events in the senate, Palpatine just couldnt start his career with the name Darth Sidious, now could he? Besides Emperor Palpatine and Darth Sidious are wearing almost the same cloaks. (Episode I and II : Episode VI And another fact: When Darth Sidious talks to Darth Maul, In episode I, on the balcony, it is the same as Senator/Supreme Chancellor Palpatine's apartments. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 you know what, this thread sucks and it's stupid as hell. x_x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavion Posted November 3, 2004 Author Share Posted November 3, 2004 I HAVE JUST WANA TO KNOW THIS Why are you mad at kaisen hes very populair at jedi academy THIS IS NO STUPED FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by Tavion I HAVE JUST WANA TO KNOW THIS Why are you mad at kaisen hes very populair at jedi academy THIS IS NO STUPED FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: we’re not mad, we’re actually being helpful. You see trolls (people who only come here to cause trouble) are banned without any warnings. so the last thing we want is for someone to be mistaken for troll if they are not. Now Lord Kaiser posted just like a troll would. So all we did was to warn him that posting like that might get him mistaken for a troll, and like I said, we don’t want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 There are multiple sources on this. 1- George Lucas himself who says that there can only be 2 sith at a time. Meaning there can't be a Sith Palpatine and a Darth Sidious because Dooku/Tyranus is around. Then when Dooku dies there is Anakin. 2- The databank says that Anakin is Palpatine's apprentice. 3- As many have pointed out(including myself) Ian Mcdiarmid plays all 3 of them(Palp, Emp and Sidious). What else do you need? George Lucas and Ian Mcdiarmid to come yell it at you in you jammys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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