Kurgan Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Okay, yes, it is possible. Palpatine COULD be a non-Force sensitive clone of Sideous, that is his "puppet." Sideous could kill him and rule in his name in the classic trilogy. And Lucas could be deliberately misleading us all along. Possible, but not likely. He's dropped so many hints and basically flat out said it in behind the scenes stuff. I mean he hasn't said "Palpatine IS Sideous" but that's not necessary, since he's said enough to prove it. I mean it's also possible that Lando is actually a cockroach piloting an android body, but where's the evidence for that? The only reason there is ANY DOUBT about this at all, with anyone, who's actually seen the movies, I'm betting is because some people are paranoid about Lucas and his "surprises" after Luke's father, Luke's sister, etc... Sure, there might be another "certain point of view" thing, but I highly doubt it. Not with all that Lucas has said so far. Unless he's flat out lying and will just contradict the movies he's just made. Heh, well, okay, so he does that and then edits his own movies later, but again, we need not assume he's BSing us just because he has about other things in the past. Oh, I give up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I clearly realised that Sidious was Palpatine, atleast he was played by the same actor. I got it confirmed later later on the even the character is the same. I didn't like Lucas' plan here. The twist is good, but Palpatine as a politician just doesn't suit. Somehow. Anyway, I guess the thread's topic is cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Sabretooth but Palpatine as a politician just doesn't suit. Somehow. Why not? Palpatine uses the dark side of the Force. "Lies, deceipt, are his ways now." Sounds like a politition to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Palpatine would have been better as a Jedi Master who was too old to battle, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Have you guys seen the trailer yet? In it you see Palpatine wielding a red light saber attacking somebody. To me that proves that he, or at least helps give credence to the theory (all be it) that Palpatine is Darth Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavion Posted November 6, 2004 Author Share Posted November 6, 2004 Is that your forum photo?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Originally posted by Tavion Is that your forum photo?? Clever girl! If you practiced your saber techniques as much as you did your wit you might know a thing or two about Star Wars fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeKatarn Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 This thread is trash. Screw you all who don't belive they are the same, they are. We have provided so much thay they are the same, what have you guys prooved for he's not? ZILCH! They are the same, END OF STORY! :lock: LOCKY THIS THREAD! :lock: Point proven, so lock it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedirsh Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I can't belive this thread even exists. Ok who is darth sidious then people who don;t belive it's palpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Maybe they think it'll be revealed in Ep. 3. It probably will, proving them wrong. and Lord Kaisen, we know that not all people are of english nationailty, but some basic knowledge is required. Even your dutch was faulty. EDIT: oh, and the 'only two rule', combined with simple logic, tells us Sidious and Palpatine must be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I agree. The ultimate answer will be revealed in episode Three. However, until that blessed day of all days comes upon us, please bring forth any data from the movies or Star Wars data bank that will support the theory that Palpatine and Darth Sidious are indeed two different people please. This will strengthen your argument as opposed to simply stating nobody has said they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Solo Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Tavion Who is darth sidios??? :confused: som one has sad that sidious is palpatine??? i dont know do you know this???? :confused: :confused: Darth Sidious is the pseudonym of Palpatine. Palpatine is in truth a sith lord. He has trained Darth Maul. Later his name is Emperor Palpatine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Revan Solo Darth Sidious is the pseudonym of Palpatine. Palpatine is in truth a sith lord. He has trained Darth Maul. Later his name is Emperor Palpatine! Again, what this guy said, though I don't believe he read any of the other posts. But after three pages, who can blame 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborgninja Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by TK-8252 Dutch may be "cool" but it's LucasForums policy that you speak english. Now, back to the thread: I pity da foo who don't think Sidious is Palpatine. they are the same person and u know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by jackofblades they are the same person and u know it Lost, are ye'? Read my post again, and any post I have made here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 The New Essential Guide to Characters book and SW.com's "Databank" gives seperate entries for "Darth Sidious" and "Palpatine," and I think this was done deliberately to keep this "duh" mystery alive until ROTS is released. Honestly the films, Lucas himself and previous materials have dropped SO MANY hints that Palpatine IS Sidious that there's no doubt in my mind that he is. Sure, Lucas COULD turn around and say they were different people and claim he intended this "all along" (like Luke and Leia being siblings). It would be BS, but he could do it. I think the "mystery" of who Sidious is is only that for the "benefit" of the people who don't know much about Star Wars... who's first impression of the franchise has been the Prequels. As far as the Teaser Trailer is concerned (which is out on the official site, let the viewer beware!): It shows what appears to be Darth Sideous/The Emperor using the red lightsaber, but in the same trailer it also shows Palpatine looking not much older than he did in AOTC. So how does this help the argument any? That's a dramatic change between the two... massive wrinkling, rotten teeth and yellow/red eyes. Unless this metamorphoses takes place over a long period of time from the beginning to the end... I mean.. whaaa? This does throw both of the old theories into doubt... the EU one that Palpatine's use of the Dark Side made him age rapidly, to the point where he needed to clone himself fresh bodies to "possess" in order to keep ruling the Empire; and the theory I had about how this was just the result of normal aging (for the Star Wars universe) combined with the stress of office and poor health, etc. The trailer also shows Anakin with red "sith" eyes and not. This is another thing... Anakin without the mask doesn't have "sith eyes." Does using the Dark Side for a long period of time give you yellow eyes with red borders around them? Maul had 'em, the Emperor has 'em. But then Anakin and Palpatine are both shown with regular eyes in the trailer as well. Dooku's eyes are always shown normal. So what does it mean? My theory is that Palpatine is like Dorian Gray. He's actually always looked like a wrinkled old yellow eyed crone, just that he uses the Force to make himself appear "normal" to those around him. And he's simply so powerful that he can not register as a Force user to the Jedi around him, overshadow their powers and even use the Force around them without them knowing it. Once he's secure in his position and the Jedi are all (thought to be) dead, he doesn't have to waste energy keeping up his disguise anymore. The yellow eye's thing in regards to Dooku: maybe he's wearing contact lenses. Surely he's more powerful than Maul and we see him actually use Force Lightning in battle, yet his eyes are always normal. Then again, perhaps his depth of evil is not yet "complete" or something, having been a Jedi all his life until his fall (10 years ago?). Still, if Anakin gets sith eyes in the span of a year or two (max) but Dooku doesn't get them in 10 years? Again, I dunno. Maybe they both have good plastic surgeon/makeup artists helping them. ; ) This is all speculation after having viewed the teaser trailer, mind you. For more, I guess check out the Episode III: Spoilers Allowed forum, though I don't plan to visit there much if at all, since I'm kind of trying to avoid spoilers for ROTS. Whew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairb Notneb Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Everybody keeps getting hung up on all of the "evil" characters eyes. My eyes are bluish green by the way in case you want to know. I think that the Sith eye color is the next "light saber" color. What does it mean????? Ohhhhh?!?. These are the bad guys: Maul, Dooku, Sidious, Anakin/Vader, Palpatine, Grievous . Who is who and why are their eyes like that? If Palpatine is not Sidious, then there will be yet another Sith added into the mix, and two brand new Sith into this movie, Palpatine and Anakin. We will see the death of three major evil characters, Dooku, Sidious and [spoiler[Grievous . Palpatine will take Dooku's place as the apprentice, then Sidious will die. Palpatine will be the master and will take on Anakin as the apprentice. Somewhere in there Grievous will die. But yet the movie will have a smooth transition to ANH. If Palpatine is not Sidious and this scenario takes place, then Palpatine becomes Emperor by accident. Sidious is a failure and all of his work to conquer the galaxy was for nothing. Unless of course his goal was to get Palpatine in power and they were working together in the first place. Maybe Palpatine was simply going to be a Sith once they took control and never learned to use the force but stayed away from the force so that the Jedi couldn't detect him. Sidious became the master and they used everyone else to get what they wanted, Maul, Dooku, etc. It backfired on Sidious and Palpatine killed him and took Anakin as his apprentice. Edit: Watch the Episode III spoilers please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Solo Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Originally posted by Nairb Notneb Everybody keeps getting hung up on all of the "evil" characters eyes. My eyes are bluish green by the way in case you want to know. I think that the Sith eye color is the next "light saber" color. What does it mean????? Ohhhhh?!?. These are the bad guys: Maul, Dooku, Sidious, Anakin/Vader, Palpatine, Grievous. Who is who and why are their eyes like that? If Palpatine is not Sidious, then there will be yet another Sith added into the mix, and two brand new Sith into this movie, Palpatine and Anakin. We will see the death of three major evil characters, Dooku, Sidious and Grievous. Palpatine will take Dooku's place as the apprentice, then Sidious will die. Palpatine will be the master and will take on Anakin as the apprentice. Somewhere in there Grievous will die. But yet the movie will have a smooth transition to ANH. If Palpatine is not Sidious and this scenario takes place, then Palpatine becomes Emperor by accident. Sidious is a failure and all of his work to conquer the galaxy was for nothing. Unless of course his goal was to get Palpatine in power and they were working together in the first place. Maybe Palpatine was simply going to be a Sith once they took control and never learned to use the force but stayed away from the force so that the Jedi couldn't detect him. Sidious became the master and they used everyone else to get what they wanted, Maul, Dooku, etc. It backfired on Sidious and Palpatine killed him and took Anakin as his apprentice. Perhaps they are not the same cause your avatar shows us Darth Sidious, and he does not look like Palpatine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toenail1 Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 i think that kaisen and tavion are just posting for the hell of it and to be trolls, just read their posts again... doesnt seem right i also think that anybody who cant figure out that sidious = palpatine should NOT be part of a star wars forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Originally posted by Kurgan The New Essential Guide to Characters book and SW.com's "Databank" gives seperate entries for "Darth Sidious" and "Palpatine," and I think this was done deliberately to keep this "duh" mystery alive until ROTS is released. Honestly the films, Lucas himself and previous materials have dropped SO MANY hints that Palpatine IS Sidious that there's no doubt in my mind that he is. Sure, Lucas COULD turn around and say they were different people and claim he intended this "all along" (like Luke and Leia being siblings). It would be BS, but he could do it. I think the "mystery" of who Sidious is is only that for the "benefit" of the people who don't know much about Star Wars... who's first impression of the franchise has been the Prequels. As far as the Teaser Trailer is concerned (which is out on the official site, let the viewer beware!): It shows what appears to be Darth Sideous/The Emperor using the red lightsaber, but in the same trailer it also shows Palpatine looking not much older than he did in AOTC. So how does this help the argument any? That's a dramatic change between the two... massive wrinkling, rotten teeth and yellow/red eyes. Unless this metamorphoses takes place over a long period of time from the beginning to the end... I mean.. whaaa? This does throw both of the old theories into doubt... the EU one that Palpatine's use of the Dark Side made him age rapidly, to the point where he needed to clone himself fresh bodies to "possess" in order to keep ruling the Empire; and the theory I had about how this was just the result of normal aging (for the Star Wars universe) combined with the stress of office and poor health, etc. The trailer also shows Anakin with red "sith" eyes and not. This is another thing... Anakin without the mask doesn't have "sith eyes." Does using the Dark Side for a long period of time give you yellow eyes with red borders around them? Maul had 'em, the Emperor has 'em. But then Anakin and Palpatine are both shown with regular eyes in the trailer as well. Dooku's eyes are always shown normal. So what does it mean? My theory is that Palpatine is like Dorian Gray. He's actually always looked like a wrinkled old yellow eyed crone, just that he uses the Force to make himself appear "normal" to those around him. And he's simply so powerful that he can not register as a Force user to the Jedi around him, overshadow their powers and even use the Force around them without them knowing it. Once he's secure in his position and the Jedi are all (thought to be) dead, he doesn't have to waste energy keeping up his disguise anymore. The yellow eye's thing in regards to Dooku: maybe he's wearing contact lenses. Surely he's more powerful than Maul and we see him actually use Force Lightning in battle, yet his eyes are always normal. Then again, perhaps his depth of evil is not yet "complete" or something, having been a Jedi all his life until his fall (10 years ago?). Still, if Anakin gets sith eyes in the span of a year or two (max) but Dooku doesn't get them in 10 years? Again, I dunno. Maybe they both have good plastic surgeon/makeup artists helping them. ; ) This is all speculation after having viewed the teaser trailer, mind you. For more, I guess check out the Episode III: Spoilers Allowed forum, though I don't plan to visit there much if at all, since I'm kind of trying to avoid spoilers for ROTS. Whew! The answer to why Palpy looks so old/wrinkled= When he fights Yoda, he somehow gets injured by Yoda so that he turns that way. And when you saw him normal that is simply because he has not fought with Yoda yet. Dang it, what part of "use the spoiler tag" do you people not understand?? If you're speculating fine. If you're reporting WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THE MOVIE or what you HEARD ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THE MOVIE, then use the spoiler tag or keep it in the "Spoilers Allowed" Forum! -ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armydude71490 Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 You people should all go and watch eps. 3 Then you will know the Truth!!! Your all so stupid Anakin is Vader duh! [useless smilies removed - coupes] Sidious and Palpatien are the same! Even the Smilies are the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Ahem. Episode 3 isn't out yet... And please don't call people stupid, that's not very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Originally posted by Armydude71490 Sidious and Palpatien are the same! Even the Smilies are the same! Ah yes, because the smilies are canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono_Giganto Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Whew, I actually READ through all of this.... Ouch... Alright, I too must say that Sideous IS Palpatine. I really think that Prime has provided undeniable proof, if just READ what he wrote, it pretty much states Sideous is Palpatine, you just have to add 2 and 2 together. Not to mention all of the hints, quite a few of them in EP I+II. Or... maybe Anakin cuts down Sideous, who then posesses Palpatine's body in his final moments of life! That would explain everything! Hey, is there any chance of us arguing about whether or not Anakin is Vader?! Don't even start with Clonetroopers being Stormtroopers, no way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborgninja Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Originally posted by Nairb Notneb I agree. The ultimate answer will be revealed in episode Three. amen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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