Best Swordsman?

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Lucaas

OMG !!!

 

Geoge Lucas has a clone !?

 

 

sorry, had to do it...

[lil_dude]

Do you have a quote for that?

 

No not at the moment, but I hear it will be included in the DVD version of ROTS

[TK-8252]

The best quote I can get is from the SW.com databank:

 

The two dueled, transforming the office of politics into an arena of lightsaber combat. Windu overpowered Palpatine the instant Anakin Skywalker came running into the offices.

 

I believe it was said better in the novel.

[Leviathan]

His lightsaber form, Juyo/Vaapaad, taps into the users anger to help. Mace is the only Jedi able to use that and not fall to the Dark Side.

I do not agree... From what I've read, he wasn't alone to know how to use the Vaapad... (In the Expanded Universe, at least...)

[Prime]

But some did...

[yoda-2nd]

What do you all think? I'm pretty sure that Yoda is the best Jedi swordsman, but there have been other opinions.

 

 

 

 

 

true dat brother true dat!.'"?

[lil_dude]

If yoda is so skilled in everything, how did Palpetine defeat him? He is definatly the master of wiseness and preception, but of using a LS, I think not.

[Mike Windu]

It is my personal belief that Yoda is a greater swordsman than Mace, no matter how hardcore Mace is >_>

 

and Palpatine defeated him with a combined use of huge senate seats and lightning. Yoda barely got a chance to duel him.

 

(was still kinda weak IMO, Yoda just going away like that)

[Leviathan]

Some persons think Yoda wasn't very combative against Sidious, because he was probably affected by the death of all those Jedi...

[DarthTDe]

I say Yoda.Mace was killed by Anakin,for Pity's sake.If Yoda was Pitted against Anakin,He would have ripped him to shreds with his lightsaber or the force.

[lil_dude]

Mace was not killed by Anakin, he easily defeated Palpetine and even blocked his force lightning like experienced Jedi can(not Anakin, he gets owned in Ep. 2). Then Anakin enters and Mace isn't perceptive to know that he has turned, Anakin chops off his LS hand and Palpetine now force lightnings him off the ledge. If Mace new Anakin had turned he could of defeated him and Palpetine at the same time. Lets just face it, even 50 droids can't hit his ass.

[Venom750]

I say Yoda because of the way he moves, he so fast i think its hard for his enemys to get a beed on him but you notice how both Yoda and Mace kicked that idiot Sidious ass.

[DarthTDe]

yeah.

[El Sitherino]

But incapacitate Yoda's ability to use the force and he has limited mobility. Mace could still fight because his style isn't reliant on the force to work, it makes it more powerful but he could still be a great combatant without use of the force.

[TK-8252]

but you notice how both Yoda and Mace kicked that idiot Sidious ass.

 

...Yoda was clearly beaten by Sidious. Who's bragging to his Senate friends how he just defeated the most powerful Jedi Master, and who's crawling through an air duct?

[DarthTDe]

That's a good point

[Leviathan]

Moreover, Palpatine knew the Senate's building and how to exploit it in his advantage : Thus, he had a supplementary "trump card"...

[Jeff]

Moreover, Palpatine knew the Senate's building and how to exploit it in his advantage : Thus, he had a supplementary "trump card"...

That is a good point too. The results of the battle were more both of them fell but Palpatine caught onto something and Yoda didn't. While they were lightsaber fighting, Yoda could hold his own against him.

[Leviathan]

Moreover, Shock Troopers (Led by the Commander Thire) weren't far of the Emperor...

[Patomon5]

This was mentioned before by Prime and for some reason passed over. Here is the link to the Star Wars Database EU which is the Official Star Wars website.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/ch...acewindu/?id=eu

 

The following is an excerpt, if anyone is too busy to go to the website:

 

In his day, Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. It was said only two opponents ever bested him -- Yoda, and Dooku. Only the most skilled of the Jedi could master his Form VII discipline of combat -- the deadly technique known as vaapad -- for its aggressive nature treaded dangerously upon dark side practices.

 

Now, Let's take this one sentence at at time.

1. In his day,Mace was one the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order.

This is not in contention and does not need explaining.

 

2. It was said only two opponents ever bested him-Yoda,and Dooku.

Since this sentence directly follows the one above, and we are still

discussing lightsaber fighting, we must continue the thought that

the fighting revolved around lightsaber fighting, and that Mace is said to have been bested (defeated) by only 2 opponents. Yoda and Dooku. It does not mention that the defeats take place in kill or be killed combat. Since Yoda and Dooku are/were Jedi, we must assume the duels were tests of skill. It also does not say that the combats ended in stalemates but definate defeats. 2 in the loss column for Mace.This then tells us that Mace is good, but not quite good enough in lightsaber combat to defeat Yoda or Dooku.

 

We do know that Dooku fell back to using force powers when he could

no longer continue the saber duel in ATOC. Because of that, We must assume that Dooku thought Yoda would have defeated Dooku, if their saberduel had continued, thus Dooku broke the pillar in order to get away.

 

3. The rest of the paragraph is inconsequential, since it only denotes that

Vaapad, which Mace created, could only be mastered by the most skilled of the Jedi. Incidently any one with the skill and training could master Vaapad, and unless someone proves otherwise it would be incorrect to think only Mace can use Vaapad.

 

My Final conclusion, Yoda is best in sabercombat in the comparison between Yoda and Mace.

[Leviathan]

In the Expanded Universe, other Jedi master the Vaapad. (Not Sarapin's predator, but the 7th light-saber's form ! )

One is Master Sora Bulq, which fell to the Dark Side, and the other is Mace's Padawan : Depa Billaba...

According to some books, Depa was better than her master for light-saber skills, and especially for the Vaapad...

[Kurgan]

Moreover, Shock Troopers (Led by the Commander Thire) weren't far of the Emperor...

 

Bah, Yoda easily bested at least seven troopers by himself (Obi-Wan was fighting another group of 5 troopers and was thus occupied at the time), and that's after he foils the assasination attempt by that pair of clones on Kashyyk. I guess Yoda ran out of mana and that's why he ran... or something... though he did drop his lightsaber (no spares available at the temple for him to pick up??), still.

 

PS: I wouldn't use Clone Wars stuff as definitive evidence either, since the series is know to be full of exaggerations and caricatures (compare the power levels of characters and weapons in the series vs. the films for example).

[Darth_Monkey11]

Mace is the good swords man,

yoda is good by the force

[Leviathan]

Bah, Yoda easily bested at least seven troopers by himself (Obi-Wan was fighting another group of 5 troopers and was thus occupied at the time), and that's after he foils the assasination attempt by that pair of clones on Kashyyk. I guess Yoda ran out of mana and that's why he ran... or something... though he did drop his lightsaber (no spares available at the temple for him to pick up??), still.

 

PS: I wouldn't use Clone Wars stuff as definitive evidence either, since the series is know to be full of exaggerations and caricatures (compare the power levels of characters and weapons in the series vs. the films for example).

I don't think there was few Clones inside the Senate ; Many of them were inspecting building's basements or guarding surroundings... They were too occupied, that's all...

[Blaze629]

Mace is definitely the better swordsman.

 

Well again we come back to the Emporer, he was defeated by Mace, Lucaas said that the Emporer did not give up he was simply defeated. Also in Attack of the Clones you see him easily blocking so many blaster shots, even when not looking or when jumping down from that platform he simply deflects them away. That right there shows his skill with a Lightsaber is unequaled.

 

I remember reading that too. Lucas did say this I remember in an interview. Can't remember if it was at hyperspace or somewhere else though arghh!!!!

 

 

His lightsaber form, Juyo/Vaapaad, taps into the users anger to help. Mace is the only Jedi able to use that and not fall to the Dark Side.

 

Correct. This was in the book. That I can DEFINITELY verify. He waited for Palpatine to make the mistake and open up then, BANG!!!!!! He sprung his trap.