Exile in the Return of the Jedi era

[Tysyacha]

Dear Everyone,

 

Besides being a Sith or a Dark Jedi, for what offenses

could you be exiled from the Jedi Order in the era

of Return of the Jedi?

[Hallucination]

Getting married, having children etc.

[RobQel-Droma]

Is this going on after ROTJ during the expanded universe? If so, I don't think that getting married and having children would get you kicked out, after all, Luke married and had a child.

[MdKnightR]

Well, to get really technical, nothing could get you exiled from the Jedi Order because there was no Jedi Order during the time of Return of the Jedi.

[vanir]

MKR's quite right. In the OT era there was no Jedi Order to be exiled from as such, Yoda was in exile for self preservation, Obi Wan had been in exile for having trained Darth Vader, but there was no longer a Jedi Council to go exiling anybody formally.

Yoda could not exile Luke for example if he chose the dark side, he'd have to simply say, "Well, that didn't work out, guess we'll try Leia."

 

Previously exile from the Jedi Order is rarely mentioned in EU except in the cases of dark Jedi. Jedi such as Count Dooku were known to have simply left the order to pursue other interests, this was not an exile as such, although I dare say it would've been once it had been discovered he had become Sith. The only distinct exile I can think of were the dark Jedi who left and originally discovered the Sith culture several thousands of years BBY, prior to the first Sith Wars.

 

My impression is that the Jedi Knights weren't really a club, like you might think of Sith as being. You don't get exiled from them really. You either end up serving the same purposes or end up serving the same intentions...or you go off and maybe join in galactic politics.

 

The "cutting off from the Force" was introduced as a special ability of Nomi Sunrider's, whose deceased husband had been a powerful Jedi, her close friend Ulic had become a Sith and murdered his brother. It was a unique case.

KotOR introduced the ideal of regularly exiling members of the Jedi Order. Perhaps in Revan's case it was again a unique situation, however the TSL "Exile" is a wanton example of an ideology practising a social heirarchy and displaying no more than bigotry and a lack of understanding. An event which resulted in the final destruction of the Jedi Council and in fact, all other members of the Jedi Order but the Player and his appreintices.

 

In keeping with the theme of the Jedi Knights, I'd suggest exile is a rare and special circumstance which has occured perhaps once or twice in the entire history of the Jedi Order.

 

But I'd say Sith did it to each other all the time.

"That's my rightful crown!"

"How dare you! You are hearby exiled from the ancient order! Minions, kill him!"

 

 

Oh yeah, the marriage/children thing, was never a problem. Several Jedi are married with children in Tales of the Jedi. Many of them lived on Outer Rim settlements guarding the edges of Republic space for decades at a time. It was no big deal.

Anakin thought attachments, sex, etc. were all forbidden by the Jedi Code. I think he strongly misinterpreted cautions meant specifically for him, rather than standards for all Jedi, because he was a complete moron with the approximate IQ of a goldfish.

example:

 

Qui Gon said, "Keep your mind in the here and now. Be mindful of the Living Force."

 

Yoda said, "Afraid for your mother you are. Fear is a path to the dark side."

 

Anakin said, "Attachments are forbidden."

 

It's not hard to do the math. I think Anakin's interpretations are more derived from his own existential incapability than any Jedi teachings. When you look at how Qui Gon treated Obi Wan, he was much more reasonable than how Anakin treated himself. And Yoda was just a lot nicer around kids but you definitely had to treat the little green guy with some license, I don't think Anakin was very capable of being interpretive. He liked a ruling fist, and listened to people like Palpatine far more than someone as friendly as Obi Wan, who he preferred to be argumentative and competitive with beyond any reasoning.

I'd take anything Anakin said in the movies as being little representative of the Jedi teachings, so much as a plot presentation of his warping of them.

[Prime]

In the post-ROTJ era, I don't think there is anything that would get you exiled.

[Astrotoy7]

In the post-ROTJ era, I don't think there is anything that would get you exiled.

 

its not so black and white for Luke's jedi trainees and the EU they live in !! Kyp Durron can kill millions by shifting planets and superweapons yet he has a place by Luke in the new Jedi Council Luke is establishing after NJO times

 

Then there are the defectors and wannabe 'Dark Jedi', like the Shadow Academy ,Dathomiri Nightsisters, and lost souls like Kueller.... Of course, there are also the Fallanassi, who tap into the force with a different philosophical viewpoint and with different consqeuences And finally, there's jedi like Vergere, who encourage challenging traditional, old school jedi views.

 

I think the Republic era jedi councils "1000 years old" strict rules were partly their downfall.. Look what happenned to anakin, and the Republic !!

 

but yes, as Vanir points out, there cant be any exiling in ROTJ era because there are only really 1 and 3/4 jedi out there : Yoda + Luke + Anakin redeemed(just before he dies)

 

mtfbwya

[Darth InSidious]

I think Exile was for severe, dangerous misuse of the Force, or power generally. Malachor V, for example.

 

And I think that the stability of the Council's laws gave the Order strength. It made sure Jedi knew where they were- if you crossed the line, you knew it