Aash Li Posted November 5, 2005 Author Share Posted November 5, 2005 Well if you totally discount the cartoons, youre leaving a bunch of plotholes in Rots, or atleast unfilled storylines. So you think all the books and comics are exaggerated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 @ Yertyl: So Jedi can all see into the future at every moment and therefore are unable to be killed by their FRIENDS who are shooting them from BEHIND in the MIDDLE of a FIGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Oh cmon, I just wanted to express that one jedi owning a hundred troops at once on his own (like about all jedi in the clone wars cartoons do) is not really "realistic" (movie style) or satisfying on the long run (I would prefer modesty instead of superpowers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Oh and just to touch on Grevious for a second, I thought it was pretty laughable how he lost to Obi-Wan. I mean if you have four lightsabers that means you can attack and deflect at the same time, there's no way someone else with only one should be able to out duel you. Grievous isn't Force Sensitive. He can't deflect like a Jedi or Sith does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 I think Maul should have ultimately lost to Obi-Wan in TPM but escaped. That way we could have had a more stable villain throughout the prequels, instead of introducing a new short-lived one every movie. I thoroughly agree with you! I said that from the time that I walked out of the theatre after seeing Maul cut down. He would have made a much more interesting villain than Count Dooku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 I thoroughly agree with you! I said that from the time that I walked out of the theatre after seeing Maul cut down. He would have made a much more interesting villain than Count Dooku. I actually find Count Dooku more interesting... Maul has about 2 lines and is truly never shown as anything more or less than an instrument to carry out his master's plan. Dooku on the other hand his far more ambigious and greyish... especially in Ep2 it is for a long time unclear which side he truly is on. Also during the Clone Wars he always has his own plans in mind. I think it is a really interesting question whether or not he considers himself and his actions "evil" or how much of an idealist he truly is. I also like his old-school style ("Your lightsabers please - we don't want to make a mess in front of the chancelor.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 I actually find Count Dooku more interesting... Maul has about 2 lines and is truly never shown as anything more or less than an instrument to carry out his master's plan. Dooku on the other hand his far more ambigious and greyish... especially in Ep2 it is for a long time unclear which side he truly is on. Also during the Clone Wars he always has his own plans in mind. I think it is a really interesting question whether or not he considers himself and his actions "evil" or how much of an idealist he truly is. I also like his old-school style ("Your lightsabers please - we don't want to make a mess in front of the chancelor.") Well, the fact that we never had a chance to learn more about Maul is unfortunate. I just like the whole enigma that surrounds him. He is the only doubleblade wielder in the movies. He is all action and no talk (much better than the other way around). While Dooku had his good points, I just think that Maul was more intriguing overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkle Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Grievous isn't Force Sensitive. He can't deflect like a Jedi or Sith does. then how was Dooku training him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Where's Sithy when you need him XD If Maul survived then how could you explain Count Dooku? One thing Lucas liked about Grevious was the fact that it explained that the level of technology had advanced far enough to keep a being alive using machines. Grevious is in a way a prototype Vader without being anything like Vader at the same time. If you leave out the cartoons you're not going to have plot holes unless you're worried about explaining EVERYTHING. But the entire point of Star Wars is not to explain everything. That's one thing Lucas is adament about from the very first movie. Grevious coughs because, other than the "real world" explanation, he is sickly because he isn't exactly whole... most of his body is non existant and his internal organs are pretty much screwed. That is why Grevious is the way he is. Whether Grevious coughs because he is sickly or whether he got a direct hit from Mace in Clone Wars is up to you (whovever you are... lol). After all Shadows of the Empire was a book that came in between ESB and ROTJ, if that didn't exist that doesn't mean there are plotholes in ROTJ... @ Ashley: I think it's best to watch a movie from start to finish properly, it is usually how people watch movies Well except for porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon II Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Just for laughs when it comes to ROTS... 1. Insert Disk 1 2. Go To The Options Menu 3. Press "10+" Wait for the recognition lag... 4. Press "1"... Wait for same reason... 5. Press "3"... Wait for same reason... 6. Press "8"... And Enjoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkle Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 it's best to watch a movie from start to finish properly, it is usually how people watch movies Well except for porn. bwahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Greivous was cool, the "Boba Fett" of the prequels. The only place where he went wrong was the whole smoking thing. All because of the final episode of Clone Wars, where Mace does some magic to General's chest and poof! Cough and Weeze! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGoblin Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 I actually find Count Dooku more interesting... Maul has about 2 lines and is truly never shown as anything more or less than an instrument to carry out his master's plan. What I'm saying though, is that the I think the Prequels suffer in part because of the lack of a strong central villain figure which I think Maul could have filled nicely if only as a soldier rather than introducing Dooku at the end of AoTC to only kill him in the beginning of the very next movie and then bringing in General Grevious who really was totally unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 @TheGreenGoblin: The Emperor is the main villian throughout the entire saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 then how was Dooku training him? Just like how you can train anyone in sword fighting. He's just naturally skilled but there's zero indication that he's force sensitive or else, why didn't Dooku teach him how to use force powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkle Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Just like how you can train anyone in sword fighting. He's just naturally skilled but there's zero indication that he's force sensitive or else, why didn't Dooku teach him how to use force powers? I'm trying to find the training scene in Clone Wars right now to either bolster my position or yours but having trouble locating it. I don't want to reply to your comment too specifically, but my recollection of the scene indicates that Greivous is force sensitive to at least some degree. Plus I would think that holding off multiple saber-wielding Jedi at once would be a pretty good indication of the fact as well. I'll post again when i find the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 He's cybernetically enhanced. I don't think he's Force sensitive. The fact that Dooku had trained him to use a lightsaber was just to make it harder to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGoblin Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 @TheGreenGoblin: The Emperor is the main villian throughout the entire saga. But he's largely in the shadows for the entire thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 He's cybernetically enhanced. I don't think he's Force sensitive. The fact that Dooku had trained him to use a lightsaber was just to make it harder to kill him. While I agree with most of that quote, enhanced isn't the right word. Enhanced makes it sound like he doesn't need the machine, because if he didn't have the mechanical body he'd be a heart a brain and a pair of lungs, which I doubt could fight jedi very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 But he's largely in the shadows for the entire thing. But he is still the main villian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 While I agree with most of that quote, enhanced isn't the right word. Enhanced makes it sound like he doesn't need the machine, but if he didn't have the mechanical body he'd be a heart a brain and a pair of lungs, which I doubt could fight jedi very well But the second half of your post is true, isn't it? I know enhancements isn't the right word, but if he didn't have the droid body he would mostly be organs probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 Cybernetically augmented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 ^What she (he?) said. I was in "Star Trek mode", and compalring him to the Borg. What I meant to say was that his cybernetic components could enhance his hand-eye coordination and visual accuity, making it easier for him to use a lightsaber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGoblin Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 But he is still the main villian. So why needlessly complicate everything by introducing a new henchman every movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 So why needlessly complicate everything by introducing a new henchman every movie? Uh...because, generally, when you are the puppet master you have henchmen that do the work. Plus it's Star Wars, the correct question would be "Why the **** not?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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