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Vladimir-Vlada Newbie

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I could go and say dual wielding a saber and a blaster=**** in games, because dual wielding a saber and a blaster = ****.

I could go as well and say having female party members that fall at your feet at the first sight of you (e.x. Handmaiden, Visas) in a game=S**t, because having females fall at your feet at the first sight of you=S**t

 

Same logic.

Nudity=logic (untrue)

 

Besides, it's only an option.

Nudity is't an option.

 

You don't have to choose it.

I didn't.

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LIAYD, int it clearly mentioned in the rules NOT to discuss porn?

and i say YES since a writer mentioned it in a book called Jedi Trial. in it, a rodian fighting on the Jedi side takes down a whole bunch of droids with a vibroblade in one hand and a blaster in the other. im not lying.

and suppose you are a Jedi who happens to have a blaster and a whole contingent of enemy troops are hounding you. would you want to jump in the middle and get hacked to pieces by melee blades or blasted to crisp by cannons? obviously no. if you have a lightsaber in your off hand, you can just deflect all incoming bolts and pick them off one by one with the blaster.

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Lucas is know for his trilogies ie Star Wars and Indiana Jones. By the way he wrote both, shelved the Jones story and did Star Wars, his big thing. HE gave the story to friend Steven Spielberg to direct, his big thing.

I was under the impression that a true RPG game is the type of combat system it is. What you have listed here is nothing but nonsense. If the having the blaster in one hand and the saber in the other is going to create problems, then just leave it with only one type of weapon.

The reason why I am not going to continue this is because this thread isn't about the story or about how RPGs work. I just wanted to show you that if KOTOR continued with Revan or Ry'ghol it won't be bad.

 

I would have said this earlier... But I thought that it would be spam, since this thread is not about it.

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Just an opinion here, FWIW.

OK, here's my premise--the SW world still follows most laws of physics. Granted, we can Force Jump 20 meters, Force Lightening people without electrocuting ourselves, Force-guide a thrown lightsaber to the target(s), and other things that completely ignore physics.

However, the fighting still needs to have some realism to it in order for it to be somewhat believable, so I'm going to accept things like Force powers, but have a little harder time accepting less realistic uses of the more 'realistic' type weapons.

Now some of this is based on some personal experience with foils and epees and archery. I haven't actually handled a gun (except waterguns) so I'm going to fall back to the archery experience.

So, the choices for weapon-bearing are, for the purposes of this thread, dual melee/saber, dual ranged, and ranged/saber.

I've fought single and dual foil/epee, and it's a challenge to fight well with one, much less two (it'd probably be easier if I pursued it a lot more often). However, you can use 2 melee weapons with relative ease--it's not hard to keep 2 arms moving at all times, and since you're so close to your opponent, it's not hard to get in a hit with at least one of those swords, unless you're fighting against a fencing master (which I'm not).

Shooting archery requires 2 hands so it's not exactly applicable, but you do have to keep fairly still in order to have the accuracy to hit your target. If you move around, your arrow moves around and misses the target. I'm going to extrapolate to ranged weapons, and say that you also have to hold a gun relatively still in order to hit your target in the right place. Snipers don't run around waving their guns, they stay very still. Real combat is more fluid and automatic weapons take away some of the requirement to remain still in order to hit, but you still have to aim the thing in the right direction, and the farther away you are the more difficult it is to hit if you're moving around. You can shoot 2 ranged weapons at the same time if you're really good, but in that case you're focusing the 2 guns at the same target, and shooting 2 guns does not require a lot of movement, and in fact, the less, the better.

Now here's your experiment for the day. You need a broom stick (or some other long straight object) and a water gun or laser pointer (don't shine this in anyone's eyes!). It's better do do this where you have a lot of room, preferably outside where you can't break anything (trust me, it's really easy to break a lamp or knock over pictures if you swing around a sword inside). Stand up, and with your main hand, sight down your water gun to aim at the very center of a far target. Now, simulating blaster bolt deflection, with your other hand wildly wave around the broomstick in a variety of directions.

Question 1--could you maintain a constant sight on your target while you were moving around, or did your arm movements from your 'sword' throw you off a lot? It's really hard to move one arm around in sudden jerky movements like you'd use to deflect blaster fire and yet keep the rest of your body still.

Question 2--when your 'sword' suddenly moved into your side vision when it was waving around, did you suddenly glance at it, even momentarily? That meant you took your eye off your target, and now you have to re-aim to hit your ranged target properly.

Question 3--now have someone toss some tennis balls or wads of paper or whatever for you to deflect. Could you concentrate on deflecting the balls and yet still keep your eye on the ranged target? It's impossible to focus on the deflection and the ranged target at the same time. Even in the game, it looks like you're deflecting bolts only as you close on a target--it doesn't look like you're deflecting bolts while you're actually close enough to be in combat with an individual.

Yep, I know we're playing Jedi who are unnaturally super-talented, but ranged/saber fighting is really impractical and would jar my sense of 'reality', even for the SW universe. Not to mention that this would require such penalties for use that I agree it would not be as useful as other systems.

I suppose if the devs had everything else covered, they could add this in, but it'd rank in my book somewhere around the level of beast trick--in the game, but not terribly useful. I don't want to just deflect stuff, I want to get in there and stop the shooting altogether. The best way to not get shot is to get rid of your enemies as quickly as possible. :)

My 2c on this.

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I think, using a blaster as a offhand weapon is not too weird indeed. Basically you are fighting with a one hand weapon(mainly) with a few shots thrown in.

 

On the other hand, using a melee weapon offhand is not too bad either. You don't have to actually attack with it, it just gives you a "melee weapon" so enemy don't claim bonus for you being unarmed melee wise. Simple parrying with a melee weapon goes a long way.

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I could go as well and say having female party members that fall at your feet at the first sight of you (e.x. Handmaiden, Visas) in a game=S**t, because having females fall at your feet at the first sight of you=S**t

 

Thank you for proving me right.

Your reasoning is illogical.

 

 

Nudity=logic (untrue)

 

This doesn't have anything to do with anything. I was just demonstrating how your "logical reasoning" is absolutely flawed.

 

 

Nudity is't an option.

 

But it could be just an option. You don't have to choose it. Thus the argument that everything is just an option doesn't apply to you.

In the same way, you cannot tell anyone who don't like the blaster/saber combo not to use it because it's just an option.

 

 

LIAYD, int it clearly mentioned in the rules NOT to discuss porn?

 

If it's your only argument...

 

Yes, we can't discuss porn, but that applies to discussion of where you can get porn, talk about porn stars in a movie or describing the latest Jenna Jameson movie.

I was merely making a parallel.

 

and i say YES since a writer mentioned it in a book called Jedi Trial. in it, a rodian fighting on the Jedi side takes down a whole bunch of droids with a vibroblade in one hand and a blaster in the other. im not lying.

 

And that means lightsaber blaster bolt deflection + blaster how?

 

 

and suppose you are a Jedi who happens to have a blaster and a whole contingent of enemy troops are hounding you. would you want to jump in the middle and get hacked to pieces by melee blades or blasted to crisp by cannons? obviously no. if you have a lightsaber in your off hand, you can just deflect all incoming bolts and pick them off one by one with the blaster.

 

First off, if that was the case, considering they had melee weapons to hack me to pieces, they would split up into two groups, one keeping me occupied by shooting at me and the other rushing up to get me in close range. This litterally keeps me from using my blaster.

 

Or, the other plausible option would be to use one saber, stand back and deflect all the shots on the charging enemies. Then my blaster is useless.

 

 

Jae Onasi is awesome :) I'd like to add that you can't expect to hit much holding a simple handgun in one hand unless you're pretty close.

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Thank you for proving me right.

Your reasoning is illogical.

This doesn't have anything to do with anything. I was just demonstrating how your "logical reasoning" is absolutely flawed.

*Sits back and doesn't consider lukeiamyourdad seriously. And starts wondering if lukeiamyourdad has any moments when he doesn't make a fuss bigger than Vladimir does*

 

And that means lightsaber blaster bolt deflection + blaster how?

Penalties are your friend.

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No, his argument is that someone already used a vibroblade and a blaster at the same time in the Star Wars universe. However, as far as I know, vibroblades are not lightsabers.

Penalties still remain. You don't have much chance when you use a melee and a ranged weapon at the same time. But still, some people (me for instance [since I am stupid. Yes I wrote it so that you or anyone else won't write it]) will hold their teeth thogether and still use it.

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Penalties still remain. You don't have much chance when you use a melee and a ranged weapon at the same time. But still, some people (me for instance [since I am stupid. Yes I wrote it so that you or anyone else won't write it]) will hold their teeth thogether and still use it.

 

 

What the hell does that have to do with his argument?

 

He's not talking about penalties.

 

Keep it on subject please. We already discussed penalties and such.

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