The youth of america

[CapNColostomy]

The only time you are powerless is when you believe yourself to be.

 

You seem to advocate a state of aristocracy. Is this an accurate description, or do you mean something else, and I've misinterpreted?

 

If that's your way of saying you think your little vote counts for something, I only have one word for you: Pffft. As for advocating "a state of aristocracy" goes, that's what a democracy is. I wouldn't say that I advocate any particular form of government, as much as I just accept it, and worry about more important things in my life. Like clipping my toe nails when they get too long, or buying a new jar of mayonaise when I've ran out.

 

Except that it was actually pretty bad. I still don't understand why some people can play it...

 

That piece of **** had more pro-army ads and propaganda then...errr...pretty much everything in history.

 

That is, of course your opinion. I happen to like it, and since I don't seem to have any trouble finding servers full of people at any given time, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's not as "bad" as you're letting on.There are over six million registered accounts for the game, and while I know that there aren't that many actually playing, there are surely a few people in there that are playing it and enjoying it. Everyone knows it was a recruitment tool. Pointing that out is like saying rain is wet. If you're stupid enough to join an army based on a video game, that's on you.

[Prime]

America is hardly the roman empire, nor are we the source of intelligence and enlightenment to the world. If the US "falls" (whatever THAT means) the world won't suffer any loss of development. There are plenty of other countries who would take up the slack.

Besides, many of the goods America uses are made and imported from other countries anyway...

[Astrotoy7]

America is hardly the roman empire, nor are we the source of intelligence and enlightenment to the world....

 

lolz.. I wonder if in 2000 years time people will behold the US in the same awe and mysticism that the world holds the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans etc...

 

Ive mentioned this at the swamp once, but a very handy travel tip for Americans who travel overseas:

 

When you are overseas, tell people you are Canadian. Most people cant pick the accent difference, and people will go out of your way to help you and hang out with you because canadians = cool. Just look at Prime for example

 

mtfbwya

[RevanA4]

lolz.. I wonder if in 2000 years time people will behold the US in the same awe and mysticism that the world holds the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans etc...

 

For the love of all that is good in this world. I so hope they don't

[CapNColostomy]

For the love of all that is good in this world. I so hope they don't

 

Ummm...Why?

[Astrotoy7]

Ummm...Why?

 

The Egyptians left the Pyramids, The Greeks left the Acropolis and the basis of Classical Architecture & Scuplture, Mathematics, Philosophy and Literature. The Romans refined and perfected what the Greeks have. Add The Hindu, Chinese, The Mayans & Aztecs, The Ottomans, The Inca etc have all left a wondrous physical, cultural and spiritual legacy.... in 2000 years you surely dont think that people will be marveling at an excavated McDs, containing its priceless stash of happy meal toys ??

 

mtfbwya

[El Sitherino]

America gave the world Star Wars, Batman, and DeNiro.

[Darth InSidious]

If that's your way of saying you think your little vote counts for something, I only have one word for you: Pffft. As for advocating "a state of aristocracy" goes, that's what a democracy is. I wouldn't say that I advocate any particular form of government, as much as I just accept it, and worry about more important things in my life. Like clipping my toe nails when they get too long, or buying a new jar of mayonaise when I've ran out.

 

My vote *does* count for something. Have you any idea how low the turnout is here in Britain

 

Seriously, if everyone thought like you did about the franchise, the world would descent into chaos. The franchise is a gift, and it is our duty to use that gift for our beliefs. If we don't do that, we don't deserve to keep it.

 

Democracy is *not* aristocracy. In the US it may have devolved into one, but that's simply because of the prohibitive expense of running for office in your country. Over here you can run as an independant MP without stumping up any cash to a party, do your own publicising and still get in. There are a few independants in Parliament right now, most notoriously in the Welsh seat where the Labour Party gave an all-female shortlist of candidates.

 

Sure, mayonnaise may be necessary for everyday living, but if you're in a dictatorship murdering millions of Jews, are you saying it wouldn't impinge on your thinking of the government just a little? If they ban mayonnaise, will you simply go without?

 

re your latest comment, the US is, IMAO, and I think in Revan's opinion too, not a civilisation. It is almost anti-civilisation. MacDonalds, Microsoft and redneck kneejerk reactions like the invasion of Iraq (which seems to me to have been done primarily to piss off the French), are all the evidence one needs. Not that I'm saying anywhere else is better. As far as I'm concerned, civilisation ended at 1109 BC, when Ramses IXth robbed the tombs in the Valley of the Kings. After that it was the slippery slope to despotism, foreign invasion and the barbarism of the Greeks and Romans.

[Prime]

When you are overseas, tell people you are Canadian. Most people cant pick the accent difference, and people will go out of your way to help you and hang out with you because canadians = cool. Just look at Prime for example

Aw shucks.

 

Actually, you can tell the difference because we take our hockey sticks wherever we go...

[El Sitherino]

Pfft, you tell em you're South African.

Like Charlize Theron.

[Darth InSidious]

The Egyptians left the Pyramids, The Greeks left the Acropolis and the basis of Classical Architecture & Scuplture, Mathematics, Philosophy and Literature. The Romans refined and perfected what the Greeks have. Add The Hindu, Chinese, The Mayans & Aztecs, The Ottomans, The Inca etc have all left a wondrous physical, cultural and spiritual legacy.... in 2000 years you surely dont think that people will be marveling at an excavated McDs, containing its priceless stash of happy meal toys ??

 

mtfbwya

Uh, actually, the Egyptians invented architecture, sculpture, mathematics,philosophy, theology and literature first Also, writing.

 

The also had one of the first sets of laws, and a highly ordered and civilised society which has never been repeated in it's stability. The Jewish courts were based on the Egyptian model, for example.

 

The Egyptians even had the arch as early as the fourth dynasty, but simply didn't use it much (presumably for religious reasons.).

 

Greco-Roman "civilisation" by comparison is little more than up-market barbarism.

[RC-1162]

America gave the world Star Wars, Batman, and DeNiro

 

so what? i agree with you that they are great but we arent talking about America in general

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well, at least im not. its the people that govern the country that give it a bad name, i mean, when Clinton was president, america was DAMN cool to me. now its like the worst place on the planet.

[CapNColostomy]

The Egyptians left the Pyramids, The Greeks left the Acropolis and the basis of Classical Architecture & Scuplture, Mathematics, Philosophy and Literature. The Romans refined and perfected what the Greeks have. Add The Hindu, Chinese, The Mayans & Aztecs, The Ottomans, The Inca etc have all left a wondrous physical, cultural and spiritual legacy.... in 2000 years you surely dont think that people will be marveling at an excavated McDs, containing its priceless stash of happy meal toys ??

 

mtfbwya

 

I never said America should be marveled at. I asked why to this question: "For the love of all that is good in this world. I so hope they dont."

 

My vote *does* count for something. Have you any idea how low the turnout is here in Britain

 

Good for you. And good for Britain, I suppose. Unfortunately for you we're not talking about Britain.

 

Seriously, if everyone thought like you did about the franchise, the world would descent into chaos. The franchise is a gift, and it is our duty to use that gift for our beliefs. If we don't do that, we don't deserve to keep it.

 

If everyone thought like I did, things would stay exactly the way they are now. Because your vote doesn't mean ****. They (the real people in charge) decide way before election day rolls around who will be in office. Voting is just a way to create the illusion that the people somehow have a say in how things are done. I don't buy it. As for not deserving to keep some imaginary gift if we don't use it, we never had it in the first place, so you'll forgive me if I don't mourn its loss.

 

Democracy is *not* aristocracy. In the US it may have devolved into one, but that's simply because of the prohibitive expense of running for office in your country. Over here you can run as an independant MP without stumping up any cash to a party, do your own publicising and still get in. There are a few independants in Parliament right now, most notoriously in the Welsh seat where the Labour Party gave an all-female shortlist of candidates.

 

Aristocracy, as defined by dictionary.com: (Which, by the way, is a source I think I'll choose over your opinion.)

 

ar·is·toc·ra·cy Audio pronunciation of "aristocracy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-stkr-s)

n. pl. ar·is·toc·ra·cies

 

1. A hereditary ruling class; nobility.

2.

1. Government by a ruling class.

2. A state or country having this form of government.

3.

1. Government by the citizens deemed to be best qualified to lead.

2. A state having such a government.

4. A group or class considered superior to others.

 

 

And now for democracy: de·moc·ra·cy Audio pronunciation of "democracy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)

n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies

 

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

 

 

The parts in bold are nearly interchangable.

 

 

 

Sure, mayonnaise may be necessary for everyday living, but if you're in a dictatorship murdering millions of Jews, are you saying it wouldn't impinge on your thinking of the government just a little? If they ban mayonnaise, will you simply go without?

 

You can 'what-if' me to death, if you really want to. I fail to see the relevance. You're asking would I think less of my government if they kill jews? No, I suppose not. It wouldn't suprise me at all. They already kill muslims by the truckload. Sure I wouldn't like it, but once again, there's nothing I can do about it. Unfortunately, even if voting did count for something (it doesn't), there's never a "stop ****ing killing people" slot on the ballots.

 

 

re your latest comment, the US is, IMAO, and I think in Revan's opinion too, not a civilisation. It is almost anti-civilisation. MacDonalds, Microsoft and redneck kneejerk reactions like the invasion of Iraq (which seems to me to have been done primarily to piss off the French), are all the evidence one needs. Not that I'm saying anywhere else is better. As far as I'm concerned, civilisation ended at 1109 BC, when Ramses IXth robbed the tombs in the Valley of the Kings. After that it was the slippery slope to despotism, foreign invasion and the barbarism of the Greeks and Romans.

 

Meh. All i have to say to that is, asteroids do not concer me, admiral.

[RevanA4]

Ummm...Why?

 

 

for one The US isn't anything special. We haven't really done anything to be remembered for.

 

I would be an utter disgrace for the US to be thought of like, ancient egypt, greek, and Roman Civilizations.

[CapNColostomy]

for one The US isn't anything special. We haven't really done anything to be remembered for.

 

I would be an utter disgrace for the US to be thought of like, ancient egypt, greek, and Roman Civilizations.

 

I wish Astro hadn't already answered that question for you. I seriously think you'd have answered differently had he not.

[El Sitherino]

so what?

It was a joke, Astro was listing off the legacy given by other countries and cultures, I was playing off of it.

[ET Warrior]

Jokes are unwelcome / unrecognized here. You should know this

[Darth InSidious]

I never said America should be marveled at. I asked why to this question: "For the love of all that is good in this world. I so hope they dont."

 

 

 

Good for you. And good for Britain, I suppose. Unfortunately for you we're not talking about Britain.

Really? Then don't make mass generalisations that seem like global statements

 

 

If everyone thought like I did, things would stay exactly the way they are now. Because your vote doesn't mean ****. They (the real people in charge) decide way before election day rolls around who will be in office. Voting is just a way to create the illusion that the people somehow have a say in how things are done. I don't buy it. As for not deserving to keep some imaginary gift if we don't use it, we never had it in the first place, so you'll forgive me if I don't mourn its loss.

If that's true, why keep someone as unpopular as Bush in charge in the first place?

 

You don't like the franchise you can always try a country where you don't have it.

 

Aristocracy, as defined by dictionary.com: (Which, by the way, is a source I think I'll choose over your opinion.)

 

ar·is·toc·ra·cy Audio pronunciation of "aristocracy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-stkr-s)

n. pl. ar·is·toc·ra·cies

 

1. A hereditary ruling class; nobility.

2.

1. Government by a ruling class.

2. A state or country having this form of government.

3.

1. Government by the citizens deemed to be best qualified to lead.

2. A state having such a government.

4. A group or class considered superior to others.

 

 

And now for democracy: de·moc·ra·cy Audio pronunciation of "democracy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)

n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies

 

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

 

 

The parts in bold are nearly interchangable.

 

Thank youm I do know what democracy and aristocracy are in their purest forms. But pure democracy doesn't work. I used the word aristocracy to mean rule by an elite which cannot be removed.

 

You can 'what-if' me to death, if you really want to. I fail to see the relevance. You're asking would I think less of my government if they kill jews? No, I suppose not. It wouldn't suprise me at all. They already kill muslims by the truckload. Sure I wouldn't like it, but once again, there's nothing I can do about it. Unfortunately, even if voting did count for something (it doesn't), there's never a "stop ****ing killing people" slot on the ballots.

No, but once enough people get fed up they'll vote against a nasty party.

 

 

 

Meh. All i have to say to that is, asteroids do not concer me, admiral.

You're calling what is perhaps the greatest civilisation to ever grace this Earth an asteroid?!

[ET Warrior]

You're calling what is perhaps the greatest civilisation to ever grace this Earth an asteroid?!

I believe he was making a Star Wars joke. One would expect people on a Star Wars forum to catch that.

[Darth InSidious]

I believe he was making a Star Wars joke. One would expect people on a Star Wars forum to catch that.

 

Not everyone reads every single Star Wars book, memorises the scripts and learns every piece of dialogue ever to crack jokes, because they like KotOR.

[Astrotoy7]

Not everyone reads every single Star Wars book, memorises the scripts and learns every piece of dialogue ever to crack jokes, because they like KotOR.

 

My...! Why, you stuck up,... half-witted... scruffy-looking ...nerf-herder!

 

 

also

uh, actually, the Egyptians invented architecture, sculpture, mathematics,philosophy, theology and literature first Also, writing.

 

You noticed I did say Classical, not Ancient. And also, I said nothing about who invented what, only what the legacies of the respective civilsations were.

 

No need for aggrandisement or elaboration. This isnt Wiki

 

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BTW, WTF does the whole last page of this thread have to do with the Youth of America !!!! It has become a sub-tableau for veiled political tussles and history lectures

 

*puts on tweed jacket with leather elbow patches*

 

mtfbwya

[CapNColostomy]

Really? Then don't make mass generalisations that seem like global statements

 

Not sure how you'd gather that I might be doing anything of the sort in a thread entitled "Youth of AMERICA."

 

 

 

If that's true, why keep someone as unpopular as Bush in charge in the first place?

 

How am I keeping Bush in office? How you you proven anything I've typed to be untrue? The answers are, I'm not, and you haven't.

 

You don't like the franchise you can always try a country where you don't have it.

 

Why go to the trouble of moving? Haven't you read anything I've typed? I already live in such a country. You probably do to. You're just too naive to believe it.

[Samuel Dravis]

ok I've been looking at kids alot younger than me in terms of wow this is where we are headed

 

I've been discussing the space program and guess what comes up. lets up weapons on the moon. now not only is this breaking a Treaty but also if you read about it, its viewed as an act of war on the entire world :indf:

 

I find that time and again that kids now a days think that the US is some power house that can't be defeated. when in reality we can.

I've no problem believing you. My views have changed quite a bit in the last two or three years, and I expect that to continue. I don't think I ever thought the US was invulnerable or somehow aloof from the rest of the world, however.

 

Bottom line: most kids don't even know who they are, much less what their eventual political opinion will be. Don't listen to them. There's a reason you have to be 35 to become president.

 

PS: You can still have fun destroying their arguments, however. Good experience for both of you. ^_^

 

DISCLAIMER: The opinions presented in this post are not guaranteed to remain true after tomorrow morning.

[RevanA4]

I wish Astro hadn't already answered that question for you. I seriously think you'd have answered differently had he not.

 

 

you would be wrong on that assumption.

 

I'm into ancient civilizations so yeah irregardless of Asto's answer mine would have stayed the same.

 

Bottom line: most kids don't even know who they are, much less what their eventual political opinion will be. Don't listen to them. There's a reason you have to be 35 to become president.

 

meh I know who I am and what I stand for. I'm not aligned with any political party though.

[Samuel Dravis]

meh I know who I am and what I stand for. I'm not aligned with any political party though.

I'm sure you do. ^_^

 

As it is, I was talking more about people younger than you.