Who Would Win Revan Or Exile?

[Shem]

Though the reasoning and whether it was true is another factor.

I'm going to say you're wrong. I'm just saying I voted for the Exile based on the facts I state earlier. I will say again that Revan is my favorite and I naturally want to vote for Revan. But I feel like if I had voted for Revan, I would not have voted honestly. To me voting for Revan would have been an emotional type vote rather than a reasonable vote. I'm not trying to say that if you vote for Revan, you're wrong, so hopefully nobody gets the wrong idea of my intentions.

[Emperor Devon]

I'm going to say you're wrong.

 

Then say it, don't waste time saying you're going to.

 

Characters in TSL have been blinded by emotion when saying some statements before, but it's your opinion, and I debated earlier why I disagree with it.

[Shem]

Then say it, don't waste time saying you're going to.

Oh crap. I meant to say "I'm NOT going to say you're wrong." At first I thought took the "not" part out when you quoted me as a joke at first, especially when I saw the tongue stick out. I need to proof read better. :

 

If anybody can point to game proof that Revan is the more powerful one, by all means please do it. I would love to think honestly in my mind that Revan is the stronger one and then request to change my vote.

 

[Gavroche]

That's not easy to decide who would win...

 

Revan had the experience of a Sith Lord, and became greater only by returning to the Light. And he gradually remembers his former knowledge.

He has been an effective strategist during the Mandalorian Wars, but did he often fought ? I think he was more often etablishing battle plans than fighting with the Republican and Jedi troops.

But it is said than he killed Mandalore. So, he's not only a strategist.

 

Now the Exile. Revan's General. I think her (as a female) greatest strenght is her ability to create easily Force bonds, but in a duel against Revan, it would be useless.

I imagine her less strategist than Revan, more warrior. Intelligent, observer (I'll develop this), but greater fighter than Revan.

She's not depending of the Force, she can live and fight without it (About fighting, I rather see the Exile as a Guardian. Who declared them both Consulars ?), and she learns fastly just by observing (see the DarkSider Exile, when she kills the Jedi Masters).

 

So I think even if Revan would remember all his Sith Lord knowledge and learn new skills, the Exile would equal him, and then, by perfecting Revan's skills, would defeat him.

 

 

I think however that if they would fighting by commanding an army, Revan's strategist's talents should dominate.

 

 

EDIT : I see people writing IMO. What does this mean ?

[Nancy Allen``]

I still stand by Exile being more apt at using the Force where as Revan was better at slicing and dicing. For comparison Exile could Force Wave her way through the Malechor academy almost at will, Revan had only a finate amount and it wasn't as effective against large groups.

[DarkLordDeagle]

Besides, have you played Sith Lords? Or many recent games? Not only are there two female Sith Lords

 

Have I played Sith Lords? Well considering I own both the KOTOR's I would hazard a guess as to say your assumptions were dead on the mark. And there are no female DLOTS's. Darth Traya (Kreia) was not a DLOTS. When Atris turned evil she was not a DLOTS either. As for Vader's apprenctice, how could he have an apprentice when he is dead? He couldn't of had one when he was alive because he was an apprentice himself. Even if he did, she is not a DLOTS...yet.

[Nancy Allen``]

Uh huh, what about Nisotsa or the other female Jedi? No, they weren't Dark Lords but they did follow Revan and Malek to war. Didn't the Jedi Masters see that as turning against the Order?

[Emperor Devon]

If anybody can point to game proof that Revan is the more powerful one, by all means please do it.

 

To quote myself...

 

It always was and always will be Revan, a fact helped by his amnesia. Revan had over twenty years of experience before Malak's betrayal with which to develop his abilities. He was also trained by many of the Jedi's greatest Masters, and the Star Forge no doubt boosted his powers when he was the Dark Lord. (It's stated near the end of the game that the Star Forge was fueling Malak's power, so I don't see why it couldn't have happened with Revan.) While this should count for nothing, as Revan was given a mind wipe, Bastila states several times in TSL that Revan's memories are returning. It's most likely that what he knew about combat returned as well.

With all that knowledge in addition to how he became more powerful than ever during his quest for the Star Forge, I don't see how someone who was out of shape for ten years and was then briefly trained by Kreia could stand up against someone who has over twenty-five years of experience.

[SithAnnihilator]

Maybe revan was stronger, but personally I find the Exile to be the better character, and I feel the exile would atleast be formiddable (SP??) enough to hold her own in battle so I think it could go either way.

[Master Dana13]

Exile because I easily destroyed him on the korriban lvl In kotor 2

[Temp3rMental]

I choose Revan. I don't know if its the facts, or if I just got way too attatched to him, but thats my choice. However, I do believe that the Exile would put up a hell of a fight.

[The Architect]

If KotOR III is made and it is the big trilogy wrapper upper most of us are hoping it to be, Revan and the Exile might fight (but they shouldn't, because they have a common and more dangerous more enemy to deal with, the 'True Sith'; even if their alignments oppose (which is for you as a player to decide, as well as their genders). Besides, I've always got the impression that the Exile will always follow Revan to war, not fight him/her. I believe that they were/are good friends (they may have even loved each other if their genders are the opposite).

 

But if they don't fight in a potential KotOR III game and/or Revan and/or the Exile is dead, unabling any possible fight between them from happening, then the question will go unanswered.

 

Yes, there are good plotwise points on both sides in this debate, but any gameplay points made are pointless, because as far as gameplay goes, in a player controlled fight, the character your controlling always wins, regardless of the feats/skills/stats/force-powers/level of the opponent. Also, many people get their own personal bias in the way of this arguement; for example "The Exile sucks, Revan would pwn him/her, he's/she's like the coolest and greatest Jedi/Sith ever!"

 

My own personal bias would lean me towards the Exile being the victor, because I like the Exile more than Revan, but like I've said, no one knows for sure who is more powerful and who'd win if they fought. Who'd win would depend on a number of things, the only thing I can say is that Revan and the Exile are both powerful force-users and at this stage, are the two most powerful characters in the KotOR game series. If they fought, surely the battle would be long and epic...

[CSI]

Exile because more powerful feats: Superior Weapon Focus I, II, III: Lightsaber and / or Surperior Two Hand Weapon Fighting I, II, III. Force Reg Feat and VP Reg Feat is unique (maybe I'm wrong, I didn't use them in KOTOR) in KOTOR 2.

 

Master Heal is almost undefinite health if you are a Jedi Master. Exile even have Force Enlightment: a *terrific* force power. Along with Master Battle Meditation, this power will further increase your bonus and weaken your foe's stats.

 

I know Revan with Heart of the Guardian / Mantle of the Force is strong, but Exile has more powerful upgrades, like lens, emitter, and cell. They also have significiant effect on lightsabers.

 

Those are what I think. There may be some mistake present...But those are just my opinion.

[Vaelastraz]

Using game mechanics, almost every of the Exile'S crewmember would defeat Revan, as they are 10 lvl higher, have superior items, new fearts and so on...

 

The question is, who do you think is more powerfull, leaving game mechanics aside.

[Windu Chi]

Official word is that Exile is female. Besides, have you played Sith Lords? Or many recent games? Not only are there two female Sith Lords, the likes of Mira and Brianna are weak compared to the likes of Lara Croft and other like minded women who would snap off a Dark Jedi's balls and give him a hard on at the same time.

Good one, Nancy!

But the Exile gender seem to depend off you the player,

male/female.

[Mr. Crusty]

1st post yay

my vote goes 2 exile... i love revan 2 bits but exile gets my vote. (ive played thru both games btw)

 

consider these points:

 

*kreia said herself dat the exile was her greatest apprentice (and revan was once her padawan so it includes him)

 

*sion > malak - sion is around malak in terms of lightsaber combat ability but his freaky regeneration makes him way stronger then malak, while malak is revan's final enemy, sion is merely the apprentice of traya and is not the exile's final boss.

 

*the exile can drain the life-force from ppl like nihilus can. when facing the jedi masters you do suck their life-force gettin extra force points (DS), even if the LS way is canon, since the exile uses the power innately, its probable that the exile had this power all along whether LS or DS due to the whole "wound in the force" thing.

 

*building on that point, if nihilus can kill a planet full of jedi masters and force sensitives at once, ud think he's pretty strong right? well nihilus was created from the events of malachor V, an after effect, an echo of wat happened to the exile. it then stands to reason that the exile's ability to suck life force is much STRONGER then that of nihilus if properly developed. the same arguement can be said of sion's regeneration (altho freakish immortality doesnt fit a game too well), since it was an echo of the events that happened to the exile, her strength of the same ability should be more powerful.

 

by the end of the game however, much of the potential of exile has not been reached, many of the powers associated with her wound has not been developed, but is probably still there. (much like revan's memories, waiting for a situation/event to trigger it)

potentially exile>revan 10 times over (exile can suck life force of force users... revan is a force user no?)

realistically they are equal (kreia describes them as opposites but equals- heart/death of the force), one of them might win if they got lucky but it would prolly end in a draw.

 

overall tho, exile has the potential 2 be better then revan while revan does not have a chance of being clear cut over the exile.

 

If the two had a fleet and played galactic wrecking balls revan would win but its a 1 on 1 duel.

[Sabretooth]

The Exile. He doesn't have a 20-Level cap.

[Kas'!m]

Read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction then you tell me.

[Shem]

Here is what I believe to be true. The question should have been what time period.

 

If the Exile and Revan had a duel during the time period of the Mandalorian Wars, Revan wins by a long shot.

 

If the Exile and Revan had a duel during the events after Kreia's death, the Exile wins. I believe that the Exile getting stronger after kill after kill has its advantage. Even Kreia said the Exile is great than any she ever trained and she trained both.

[SITHSLAYER133]

building on that point, if nihilus can kill a planet full of jedi masters and force sensitives at once, ud think he's pretty strong right? well nihilus was created from the events of malachor V, an after effect, an echo of wat happened to the exile. it then stands to reason that the exile's ability to suck life force is much STRONGER then that of nihilus if properly developed. the same arguement can be said of sion's regeneration (altho freakish immortality doesnt fit a game too well), since it was an echo of the events that happened to the exile, her strength of the same ability should be more powerful.

 

it dont matter how good you are if you get suprised by something that powerful your gone but who knows if the Jedi new and where able to react it could of gone diff

 

Good fight i would bet them at 50 50 even if the exile learnt cool techinuqes fighting constantly would be a breeding ground for new and Exotic fighting Styles this comes down to a human Trait where we adapt to our sourroundings remeber when Traya Said that conflict hones us and with out it we wither this is true but not just combat is this trait shown

[Titanius Anglesmith]

*sion > malak - sion is around malak in terms of lightsaber combat ability but his freaky regeneration makes him way stronger then malak, while malak is revan's final enemy, sion is merely the apprentice of traya and is not the exile's final boss.

You seem to forget that Malak also had a way to regenerate, by sucking the life out of those half-dead Jedi he had hanging around. So in essence (this is if Revan doesn't suck out the life or kill these Jedi first), Revan kills Malak multiple times on the Star Forge. Now Sion didn't have a limited amount of regeneration. He could've gone on forever, but the only reason he didn't is because the Exile broke his will, which was a weak one in Sion's case. Sion was weak, there is no doubt in that, and weaker than Malak imo.

 

Now the issue of Revan vs. Exile....

Here is what I believe to be true. The question should have been what time period.

 

If the Exile and Revan had a duel during the time period of the Mandalorian Wars, Revan wins by a long shot.

 

If the Exile and Revan had a duel during the events after Kreia's death, the Exile wins. I believe that the Exile getting stronger after kill after kill has its advantage. Even Kreia said the Exile is great than any she ever trained and she trained both.

I would have to agree with that. Before the destruction of Malachor V, the Exile was just a simple Jedi. If they had fought then, then Revan would've wiped up the kitchen floor with the Exile. It was only after tha Mandalorian Wars that the Exile gained her "wound in the force" status. Growing stronger and stronger with each death of her enemies, she would've become more powerful than Revan fairly quickly, and in result defeat Revan.

 

And this whole "The Exile had more feats and could get to level 50" argument doesn't really matter. It's just whose more powerful and when they have this power. I doubt that in a fight Revan would be thinking "O darn, I'm only level 20 and she's level 50.....how am I gunna beat somebody with Superior Weapon Focus level 3?" Those are just game mechanics and have no influence on who would win a fight. And they're not set in stone either. Every Revan and every Exile is different with each player across the world, depending on how each person plays the game.

 

So all in all, I would say that Revan wins around the time of the Mandalorian War. Exile wins after Kreia's death.

[Lilarcor]

Whichever one the player is controlling.

[The Architect]

Whichever one the player is controlling.

 

Now that is the most accurate and intelligent answer that I have read. Congrats. The winner would indeed be whoever the player is controlling. Unless of course the fight isn't player controlled.

 

All these arguments about why Revan would beat the Exile and vice versa are pointless, as from a plot perspective (which is all that counts) the winner would be up to the writer of the plot.

 

If he or she wants the Exile to defeat Revan, then that's what would happen, whether it is in a cut scene, player controlled fight, or we just hear about it. If he or she wants Revan to defeat the Exile, then that's what would happen, whether it is in a cut scene, player controlled fight, or we just hear about it.

 

Just for the record, if I was the author, I'd choose the Exile as the victor, because I like him/her much more than the overhyped piece of crap that is Revan.

[TheGreenGoblin]

Assuming Revan is still alive and okay, if he were to face the Exile at the end of TSL, he'd beat her. The Exile's power to form force bonds is far too subtle and slow acting to be the deciding factor in a fight between them. Especially if one considers that Revan would likely be at his peak, having regained his memory and likely knowledge of Sith abilties that he would have learned during his tenure as a Darth.

 

However, if the Exile develops her powers to even a fraction of their full potential, she'd completely destroy Revan with just a thought. In TSL she's barely tapped her true power, really only by instinct. Nihilus and Sion were offshoots of her and the former was a universe-wide threat.

[PoiuyWired]

Well, its a tie, and I favor Revan a bit.

 

Think about this though, Revan have but one hot chick/guy to go for(oh and a dyke too) but Evile have at least two choices amongst other males and females like Darth Sion... Though Revan seems to be able to go for the whole nine yards, and not much is done by Exile.

 

Don't know if this would help in a fight though, but while Carth can barely hold his own against two enemies, Bastila can wipe Visas and Brianna back to the Sith age with one easy swipe... (even as I like Visas a lot more)