ferris209 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Everything I read says that Sir Alec Guinness always talked real badly of his Star Wars appearance, I really hate that. His rendition of Obi Wan, and Darth Vader, are my favorite Star Wars characters, it just sometimes kind of takes away from my overall satisfaction of the original Star Wars knowing Sir Alec Guinness hated it so. Anyone else feel the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Not really. Pretty much everyone from day one thought that Star Wars was doomed to fail, and maybe if he had lived to see how much of a hit it would be he'd have thought differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferris209 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 He did live to see the success, he died on 8-5-2000, well into the reemergence of Star Wars. But he still always made public statements that he hated working on it, even though he got 2% of all pofits, according to IMDB.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Maybe he didn't like the Tatooine scenes. Too much sand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferris209 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 LOL, maybe so, everything I'm reading is citing his dislike of the script and IMDB has him quoted saying: [Guinness discussing how much he disliked working on Star Wars (1977) and his attempts to encourage George Lucas to kill off Obi-Wan Kenobi] "And he agreed with me. What I didn't tell him was that I just couldn't go on speaking those bloody awful, banal lines. I'd had enough of the mumbo jumbo." Apparently Guinness really hated to lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo_92 Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Well anyone who hates star wars can go to antartica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Harrison Ford didn't like to speak that mumbo jumbo either though...but he took it more light-hearted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantzen Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Had no idea that he hated star wars, but it was good story wise that he died so i guess it dosnt mather that he wanted to be killed of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yeah well i'm not surprised. He was a respected elder british actor after all, you can't expect everyone to like SCI-FI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yeah and they had him saying things you might hear a wise old man say, I guess maybe he resented that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 You would have thought he read the script before signing on... Can't remember what got finished when though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferris209 Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yeah well i'm not surprised. He was a respected elder british actor after all, you can't expect everyone to like SCI-FI. Yeah I guess so, some may disagree with me, but the lines all throughout Star Wars sounded a little "Shakespearian" to me anyway. I.E. the scene where Anakin and Padme meet up in the beginning of Episode III and then when they meet up again toward to end on Mustafar (let's just run away!). It all sounds just like something you'd hear in high school english to me. As far as reading the script, I'm sure he did, but I think Lucas gave him such a good deal, he figured it would be easy money and even more if the whole thing took off, which it did obviously since we're all here overanalyzing it 30 years later. According to IMDB he got $150,000 + 2% of all profits. So let’s assume that A New Hope garnered around 1 Billion by now, 2% of that is 20 million, that's a heck of a paycheck for an actor, especially one with so few lines and dies off half way through the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Well, at least he did not wh0r3 out his fame in star wars and eventually make a Rule #34 of it in its shadow( thats pr0nz if you don't get it) Hmmm... meatsabers. Well, Harrison Ford is at least remembered also as some historian dude, most of the crew are remembered for star wars only by the general public. Alec thinks he is defined by more than just a role like that, which is reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 I've known Alec Guiness didn't really care for Star Wars that much for a long time. Though I think it's more that he didn't want to be remembered for just Star Wars since he's done so many other great works and he didn't really want it narrowed to one character in a couple of movies.That was my imrpession as well. IIRC on the OT DVDs Lucas mentions that it was in fact his idea to "write Kenobi out of the film" because there was really nothing left for the character to do. So who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Everything I read says that Sir Alec Guinness always talked real badly of his Star Wars appearance, I really hate that. His rendition of Obi Wan, and Darth Vader, are my favorite Star Wars characters, it just sometimes kind of takes away from my overall satisfaction of the original Star Wars knowing Sir Alec Guinness hated it so. Anyone else feel the same? Believe it or not, Lenord Nemoy hated to play Spock at one point. Eventually, he came around and loved the character. There are several science-fiction actors that have had problems being associated with a certain character. I don't believe they hated playing the character, but they hated to be know as the character. I can guarantee you this: Not many people have seen (or could name) other Sir Alec Guiness movies, for they have allways associated him with Star Wars. I believe that was why he hated Star Wars. You cannot blame him for his cognitions. I have watched conventions for non-sciencefiction related subjects, and almost everyone associated with Star Wars and Star Trek have been introduced as their character. "Ladies and gentlemen welcome Luke Skywalker". You scratch your head and say, "Hey, isn't this a fundraiser for cancer?" I don't blame the actors for how they perceive their characters. When I say, "I am a Harrison Ford fan", I am not saying, "I am a Han Solo fan". I can name a mess of movies & characters that I have enjoyed, which Harrison Ford has won my favor. I personally believe that Harrison Fords' best acting and character was not in Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferris209 Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 I don't blame the actors for how they perceive their characters. When I say, "I am a Harrison Ford fan", I am not saying, "I am a Han Solo fan". I can name a mess of movies & characters that I have enjoyed, which Harrison Ford has won my favor. I personally believe that Harrison Fords' best acting and character was not in Star Wars. I agree, strange though that some can overcome their most famous roles, like Harrison Ford and William Shatner, but others can't. Like Sir Alec Guinness and Leonard Nimoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Haha I don't think William Shatner has overcome Captain Kirk. Harrison Ford on the other hand was smart enough to keep making different movies, even though I do consider Star Wars to be his best acting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I found Indiana Jones to be Harrison Ford's best works. Hmm...yeah. Do be honest, a quite "famous" actor such as Alec Guiness, probably wouldn't want to be remembered as an old hermit. Though, me on the other hand..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Honestly, it just goes to show that Sir Alec was devoted to his craft. He played the role well even though he disliked it. He did his job, and didn't let his personal feelings of the material get in the way of doing it right. This compared to some of the other actors who were such fans they would do anything and not necessarily that well, just because they got the "privilege" to be in a Star Wars movie. So no, it doesn't bother me that he didn't like Star Wars, I just have a different taste than the late veteran actor. I can respect his opinion while disagreeing with it. But only you know what you like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferris209 Posted September 3, 2006 Author Share Posted September 3, 2006 Haha I don't think William Shatner has overcome Captain Kirk. Well, he is at least known for other projects too, T.J. Hooker, Boston Legal, and those Orbitz Commercials. Though we will all agree he's not a cream of the crop actor, I think he has actually has not totally overcame Kirk becuase he doesn't want to, he loves those Star Trek paychecks that roll in steadily. I.E. he just didKirk in a new upcoming Video game, he knows it's garaunteed money. But this is a Star Wars forum, so now back to our original programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I agree, strange though that some can overcome their most famous roles, like Harrison Ford and William Shatner, but others can't. Like Sir Alec Guinness and Leonard Nimoy. William Shatner learned to use his Star Trek success, and turn it into an advertisement for future projects. Not many actors can do that. Harrison Ford used Star Wars in a similar manner, and landed even more better roles. Some of Harrison's Better Characters: Jack Ryan (Tom Clancey Movies) President James Marshall (Airforce One) Det. Capt. John Book (Witness) Rick Deckard (Blade Runner) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000148/ When I think Shatner, I see "The Big Giant Head". Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aner21 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I had no idea he felt that way about the SW movies. I've seen him in several other movies but Obi-Wan always won my heart. It's just weird to see him in some of the others with such unObi like characters. But regardless he did a great job and although Ewan did a great Obi-Wan it lacks something. I can't explain it's just a gut thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Well, that shows that he's a real professional: Even disliking his role, he did a great job. I also remember GL talking that, Sir Alec Guiness, liked to study the script and his lines for many, many hours, to assure he would do a good and proper job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatBraken Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Harrison Ford didn't like to speak that mumbo jumbo either though...but he took it more light-hearted Yeah. I read that Lucas had to really encourage Harrison to come back to film ROTJ. He wanted to do some other stuff yet Lucas told him how important it was to have Han in the film. Shame Sir Alec didn't like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 But by all account Guiness was always friendly and curteous with the cast and crew. Again, a true professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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