How a real lightsaber might work ?

[Windu Chi]

Also I have posted hyperlinks in this post to the physics concepts I am talking about, if y'all are interested.

 

I believe the lightsaber will be assembled one day.

By somebody !

I have been writing the physics, as a hobby of how a lightsaber might work.

If it ever do gets built for real, the blade will possibly be a plasma blade.

Or, the blade will have to be compose of so called hot plasma, that will be held in place as a cylindrical approximate blade shape by entangle magnetic fields of the ionic gas, electrons and ionize atoms, the entangle magnetic fields will work like a net that will hold the electrons and ions of the hot ionize plasma blade part, in place to maintain the plasma blade's shape.

A cold plasma will be needed to surround the hot plasma part, to stop the heat exchange from the hot plasma from burning/ashing the user of a real lightsaber.

Those two plasma parts will have different magnetic, energy and plasma physics properties.

The cold plasma will act like a very thin shell that will surround the hot plasma part of the plasma blade.

The cold plasma part will act like shield to block another lightsaber plasma blade from diffusing through one another.

 

A cold plasma is a technical name for a plasma that when only a small fraction of the gas molecules are ionized in contrast to a hot plasma, which the hot gas plasma is fully ionize.

The magnetic fields of both parts of the hot and cold plasmas , will have to be set to make the magnetic fields of both parts the plasma blade cancel out.

By using the Debye shielding method, that works by polarizing the plasma

medium, that will cause redistribution of ionic charges, that will prevent

penetration by an external electric field of any magnetic sources.

A real lightsaber blade can't have a magnetic field, the blade must be electrically neutral or the the lightsaber plasma blade will lose energy(in the form of magnetic energy) to the environment, that would in turn drain energy from the power cells.

 

 

A cold plasma normally is not cold, it is still several 1,000 of degrees F.

But it is possible, well in theory to make a cold plasma that is cold enough that it won't fried or ash your ass.

So, to cool it to room temperature(69*F) where you can touch it or put your finger in it.

By using lasers to trap and cool neutral atoms to temperatures of room temp. or 1 mK(millikelvin or -459.6682

F) or lower.

Another laser then ionizes the atoms by giving each of the outermost electrons just enough energy to escape the electrical attraction of its parent ion.

(Here is a table of temp. comparisons)

Cold plasmas are plasmas that are strongly coupled and dense, where weakly coupled plasmas are diffuse and hot.

Well, this method work like something similar to billiard balls, for an analogy. When electrons absorb energy from the photons that laser light is compose of, they jump to another position in the atom, which is called a energy state.

While the electrons that had absorbed these photons, are in this energy state they will in time emit those photons at different frequences as the electrons falls back to it's original energy state, this process will set off a billard ball like effect, that is like the billard balls ricocheting off one another, this is similar to photons and electrons having the same effect. The photons will next be absorbed by other electrons in other atoms, the atoms vibrational motions will lose/gain energy or heat as it absorbs and emits photons, that also will have change energy states in chaotic ways, in the whole plasma gas.

 

So like a chain reaction the constant absorbing and emission of the laser light's photons will slowly cool the plasma down as the plasma's electrons and the atoms the electrons wavefunctions fluctuates around, as the vibrational energy frequencies of the plasma gas and ionize atoms slows down.

 

As y'all know a lightsaber, or if y'all know; if you had read the article on how a lightsaber work.. ~ This article will tell you how it work in the Star Wars universe.

 

That the lightsaber's blade only heats up as it interacts with matter or other ligthsabers blades.

But in the movie, in step with the real physics, that isn't entirely accurate.

The buzzing noise the lightsaber makes, is a signal that the lightsaber do release some energy, sound energy.

 

The energy that is release produce the buzzing noise, by vibrating the air molecules to produce that distinctive sound.

Because of the oscillating magnet fields in the plasma gas.

If it didn't release any energy, y'all won't hear that sound.

The heat that is release when lightsaber's isn't in contact with matter or another lightsaber's blade, is the same as the background environmental temperature, well that is the only possible conclusion to explain why Jedis don't turn to ash because of the intense heat a lightsaber blade will emit.

This non-dangerous heat or energy conservation process between the lightsaber's plasma blade and the power cells that power the blade, will have to work in principle with the superconductivity of the power cells conduction channels that leads to the focusing lens.

The energy and plasma gas exchange conduction channels, will have to have zero elecrical resistance, in line with superconductivity.

This process will have to be the case, to explain why a lightsaber don't loose energy from the power cells, when it isn't in use with action or when it is turned off.

Because if superconductivity isn't in play in the conduction channels, the magnetic friction of the plasma and the matter friction of the conduction channels will loose energy as heat in the lightsaber's hilt.

That will over time make the lightsaber's hilt extremely hot, that the user won't be able to hold onto the lightsaber anymore.

Of course, this same effect will cause the lightsaber plasma blade to rupture.

 

This heat exchange safety process of a real lightsaber blade will work by controlling he magnetic fields, that holds the plasma blade's shape, this will act to balance the heat exchange rate between the hot and cold plasma parts, of the blade.

So, in effect not to make the plasma blade release heat that will not be tolerable or survivable(so not turn you into ash), to the user of a lightsaber.

To control the length of the plasma blade will work similar to the lens fixture(that was always so damn hard to find in TSL ) focusing electric lens, by adjusting the lightsaber plasma blade's length control nob.

That will adjust the electric lens focusing properties of the plasma stream, that would construct the plasma blade.

 

Of course, the usual lightsaber upgrade parts will be available too.

If the lightsaber is ever built.

 

Also as, I have forgotten to mention.

The color of a real lightsaber's plasma blade will be determine by the plasma energy vibrational frequencies, similar to the frequencies of light in which different frequencies of the photons that light is compose of, that give many different colors.

But I am not ruling out that crystals will be determining the colors of real lightsabers blades.

There is still an unexplored Milky Way galaxy out there.

So, the crystals might be found.

 

To power real lightsabers we will need some sort of nuclear fusion power cells, similar to the power cells that they explained in TSL.

I think that technology is not far from realization.

Well as I believe, all science fiction technologies will become a reality if people stop laughing at the technology concepts of science fiction.

And try and take the concepts seriously enough, to make those technologies real.

The power cells would power the plasma blade by ionizing the the storage containers of the specific gas, that would once ionize, would be turn into a plasma.

The nuclear fusion process in the power cells, would produce the energy that would once release, as heat and radiation that will be transmitted by way of the conduction channels coils to produce a strong enough electric field to ionize the gas in the containers, to turn the gas into a plasma.

Also if we develop antimatter power cells, this process will be similar to the above process, but antimatter will only release pure E=mc^2 energy, of gamma rays.

But we would have solve the neutrino 50% energy loss problem.

To get all the E=mc^2 energy out of antimatter reactions.

50% of E=mc^2 energy is carried away by neutrinos.

 

Now, for how will lightsaber clashings and blaster fire deflection, will work.

The clashings will work only, if the individual lightsaber's cold plasma shield, plasma frequencies(electrostatic oscillatation of ions and electrons) are the same.

Also for each different plasma blade's cold plasma sheath will have to have similar thermodynamics, electromagnetic field properties and similar gas densities.

That will act to repel both plasma blades.

Well, it is similar to sword blades material composition and hardness, that will determines if swords will break or shatter when they clash.

 

The blaster deflection effect, whenever we come up with hand held energy weapons.

The blaster deflection properties, will depend on the energy weapon's(if these weapons energy projectiles are laser beams, plasma weapons or particle beam based) vibrational frequencies of the energy projectiles.

If the lightsaber plasma blade's cold plasma sheath frequency is equal to the weapon's energy projectile EM field frequency and EM field properties, the energy projectile will be deflected(so blaster deflection by the lightsaber's blade).

The interaction of blaster fire with the cold plasma shield, will determine how a lightsaber blade's will react physicaly.

This reaction will depend on the laser EM wave frequency(photon field of laser llight) frequency or the plasma frequency of a hot plasma weapon projectile and particle beam weapons EM field oscillation frequencies and EM field properties; the physics, composition properties of the cold plasma, and iit's frequency

And also again, the electromagnetic field properties of both of the interaction mediums.

For certain values of the plasma parameters, like the index of refraction goes

to zero or infinity, in calculation.

In both cases, a transition is made from a region of propagation to a region of evanescence, or vice versa. Reflection occurs wherever index of refraction goes through zero, and that absorption takes place wherever index of refraction goes through infinity, in calculation.

The former case is called a wave cutoff, where as the latter

case is termed a wave resonance.

The resonance of the ions and electrons in energy weapons projectiles, will act to disrupt the heat exchange and magnetic field paramaters of the plasma net in the lightsaber's blade cold plasma shield.

As this cold plasma shield breakdowns, the hot plasma that this part holds back, will diffuse through because the magnetic permeability, electrical permittivity and conductivity limiting properties and the heat conductivity and specific heat properties will diminish, in the cold plasma part.

 

Now if the lightsaber plasma frequency is greater then the weapon's energy projectile EM field oscillation frequency, the lightsaber plasma blade will absorb the energy of the projectile, but this absorption will make the plasma blade unstable that will in turn make the plasma blade flutter chaotically, that will drain energy from the nuclear fusion power cell, because as the plasma blade flutters it will lose energy as heat and magnetic energy, because of the plasma blade dynamic potential energy state, all that heat the blade contains will start to be released. So, it is not a very good idea to have the lightsaber's plasma blade absorbing blaster fire.

Of course, this effect will depend on how much energy the blade can absorb iin contrast to its own vibrational energy, that will determine the blade's energy absorption tolerance and characteristics.

 

Ok, that is my idea how a real lightsaber will work.

 

Opinions? Physics sugestions?

[Hayden Kered]

I highly doubt that lightsabers will ever be created, knowing what all is involved. See the link below.

 

http://www.exn.ca/starwars/plasmasaber.cfm

[Windu Chi]

I highly doubt that lightsabers will ever be created, knowing what all is involved. See the link below.

 

http://www.exn.ca/starwars/plasmasaber.cfm

Well, that is your doubt, Bane

I have confidence in the physics of cold plasmas, that will possibly lead to the construction of a real lightsaber.

[Ztalker]

Hmmm...you realy thought this through, huh?

 

I agree with you that it will be created someday. But you should look at the efficiency too. A lightsaber is nice, but not if a firearm is shooting at you.

In the Star Wars universe, lasers are slow, and can be absorbed/bounced back by the sabers. The weapon works there.

 

In real life, we have .50 Baretts that shoot huge bullets traveling at the speed of sound. Good luck bouncing those back. Unless firearms will be replaced by laser-guns with the same physics of that in the Star Wars universe (slow lasers) I highly doubt the weapon will be efficient enough for seld-defense or military usage.

[Windu Chi]

Hmmm...you realy thought this through, huh?

Hell, yeah !

I'm always thinking about physics and mathematics.

I agree with you that it will be created someday. But you should look at the efficiency too. A lightsaber is nice, but not if a firearm is shooting at you.

In the Star Wars universe, lasers are slow, and can be absorbed/bounced back by the sabers. The weapon works there.

The 6,000 C*or 10,000 C* temperatures of the hot plasma part will vaporize a bullet before it even fully penetrate the cold plasma shield.

As the the heat of the hot plasma part of the blade would start to diffuse through the cold plasma shield, because of interaction.

Bullets will be no match for a plasma blade.

I don't know why people keep believing that error.

 

In real life, we have .50 Baretts that shoot huge bullets traveling at the speed of sound. Good luck bouncing those back. Unless firearms will be replaced by laser-guns with the same physics of that in the Star Wars universe (slow lasers) I highly doubt the weapon will be efficient enough for seld-defense or military usage.

If it is line of sight, no match.

The very high kinetic temperatures of the plasma blade, will quickly over come the low specfic heat capacity of bullets.

Water can stop a .50 caliber bullets, by shattering them as they travel through the water.

Also most bullets move at the speed of sound(760mph or 1114.7 ft/s) or faster.

I will do some calculations, but I believe a bullet would need to move much faster then the normal the velocities of bullets, to safely over come the high temperature of the plasma.

Also the bullet would loose it's kinetic energy as it penetrate or interact with the plasma gas particles.

[Ztalker]

I was more refering to the wielder of the lightsaber.

 

A Plasma blade will vaporize a bullet. But can the wielder of the lightsaber respond that quickly? I a machine gun is fired, I highly doubt the wielder can protect itself from all of the bullets.

 

But I just rethought it all. A weapon like this could be of use. Like we have knifes now. A plasma blade can come in very handy during war situations, or even for police forces.

[Negative Sun]

Or to whoop someone's ass Mace Windu style!!!

 

Bring on the plasma swords, I'm game!

[CSI]

Or to whoop someone's ass Mace Windu style!!!

 

Bring on the plasma swords, I'm game!

 

Calm down, GS, we know you're using Jar'Kai, trust me, I use Jar'Kai, too. And I can sense a intent of, eh, bloody dueling?

[Windu Chi]

I was more refering to the wielder of the lightsaber.

 

A Plasma blade will vaporize a bullet. But can the wielder of the lightsaber respond that quickly? I a machine gun is fired, I highly doubt the wielder can protect itself from all of the bullets.

Well, of course we don't have nobody remotely similar to Jedis yet.

 

But I just rethought it all. A weapon like this could be of use. Like we have knifes now. A plasma blade can come in very handy during war situations, or even for police forces.

Yes, it won't rust, you don't have to clean the blood off; after heavy use.

Or, it won' t go dull, you don't have to sharpen a lightsaber's blade.

[HerbieZ]

To be honest, people try to compare Star Wars with Science fiction. Much like those Science of Star Wars programmes of Discovery. But you see here is the dirty little secret... Star Wars is fantasy and not Sci-Fi. As much as people try, there are things that are just technically impossible. I only had to look at the energy consumption rate of a Star Destroyer to figure it out but it's like people saying it can be possible. It is only as possible as having people add a a scientific explaination to everything in the Lord of the Rings and worse... Commando (a villain that looks, speaks and acts like Freddie Mercury against Arnie.. come on).

 

Lightsabers would be cool if they were real but the wise and peaceful Jedi to wield them, would not exist. Im sure it would be a brilliant Star Wars tale about a planet of billions wiped out by a single lightsaber invention.

[Windu Chi]

To be honest, people try to compare Star Wars with Science fiction. Much like those Science of Star Wars programmes of Discovery. But you see here is the dirty little secret... Star Wars is fantasy and not Sci-Fi. As much as people try, there are things that are just technically impossible. I only had to look at the energy consumption rate of a Star Destroyer to figure it out but it's like people saying it can be possible. It is only as possible as having people add a a scientific explaination to everything in the Lord of the Rings and worse... Commando (a villain that looks, speaks and acts like Freddie Mercury against Arnie.. come on).

 

Lightsabers would be cool if they were real but the wise and peaceful Jedi to wield them, would not exist. Im sure it would be a brilliant Star Wars tale about a planet of billions wiped out by a single lightsaber invention.

:lol:You believe impossibilities, I don't.

Nothing is Impossible!

[Mav]

I dunno, it seems like a trite thing to waste your time trying to figure out, instead of dedicating what would likely be billions of dollars trying to figure out how to make some glowing sword. Why not spend that time and money doing something like finding cures for cancer or something else that would actually be useful. I'll stick to making my lightsabers in gmax, its fun and its free and I wont burn myself doing it.

[Prime]

Nothing is Impossible!

Fit a aircraft carrier into a coffee mug without altering or destroying the structure of either.

[Windu Chi]

I dunno, it seems like a trite thing to waste your time trying to figure out, instead of dedicating what would likely be billions of dollars trying to figure out how to make some glowing sword. Why not spend that time and money doing something like finding cures for cancer or something else that would actually be useful. I'll stick to making my lightsabers in gmax, its fun and its free and I wont burn myself doing it.

:lol:Another person who think of money, I don't think about money, I hate it.

I will continue to waste my time, because I will love to have a lightsaber of my own.

The biophysics and biologist of this planet are getting close to finding cures for cancer and other diseases.

The hinderance to these current projects is society is dependency on money.

Or, the drug companies reluctance to want cures to diseases; it will be a hinderance to their profit making needs.

[Hayden Kered]

In order for a plasma blade to be produced in the length of a sword, one must input 50 pounds of air per second to get that effect. So if they were invented they would be more like a protosaber with an air compressor pumping into it. Also how would you get two blades to repel each other?

 

The technology for plasma sabers have been invented, only the mechanics are too large and they would need to reconstruct it to be more compact.

 

Also, if one would create a real lightsaber like from the movies, the technology would be more than likely different than from what we know. It's construction would be more on the lines of a high powered torch rather than a crystal powered "laser".

 

But this is my opinion.

 

I should have commented more on your theory, it is very well thought out. But there are a few questions that I have.

 

1.) It seems that to produce a lightsaber by your theory, there would be a lot of mechanics involved. And if a lightsaber hilt is an average 24 cm long and about 2 inches in diameter, how would you be able to compact it all?

 

2.) How would they repel from each other?

 

3.) The blades will be produced at high temperatures. How would it be possible to hold the hilt?

 

4.) How would they be legal or even safe to use if they are powered by nuclear fusion?

 

Now to help you on your theory by my opinion only, the blade color would more than likely be a white do to the heat. A white flame is the hotest known. But if chemicals could be added in the prosses then you could have the color of choice. see the link I have proveded for creating flame colors with chemicals.

http://www.sciencecompany.com/sci-exper/flamecolors.htm

 

I find this to be cool. A green blade can be made by Borax, which you can buy in the laundry section at the store. And yellow can be made by sodium chloride, which is nothing but table salt.

 

Well these are my opinions. Maybe they will be made maybe they won't. Some one will get the right of way to atempt construction. Untill that time who knows.

[Windu Chi]

Fit a aircraft carrier into a coffee mug without altering or destroying the structure of either.

Well, Prime it maybe possible depending on the perspective of the observer.

The aircraft carrier can be made to look like it will fit in a coffe mug, but the aircraft carrier will be stored in another dimension of space, from the perspective of the observer.

 

But if the coffee mug is made to have vaccum energy in it, it may be possible to transform the mass of the aircraft carrier into pure E=mc^2 energy,

this energy of the aircraft carrier will easily be stored in the zpm(zero point energy module) like coffee mug, since a cup of vaccum energy have so much energy store in that volume of spacetime, that is enough energy to boil all the world's oceans away.

In seconds or milliseconds !

 

Well, I will edit when I found out how long it will take for a coffe mug of vaccum energy, to vaporize all the oceans on Earth.

 

Also because of Quantum information Theory, the quantum matter fields of the aircraft carrier can be stored in a quantum entangle state, that with quantum teleportation technology, the information of the aircraft carrier can be recovered.

[Hayden Kered]

Fit a aircraft carrier into a coffee mug without altering or destroying the structure of either.

 

This is way more easy than you all think! Take a picture of the aircraft carrier and put it into the coffee mug. DONE!

[Anakin Skywalker]

This is way more easy than you all think! Take a picture of the aircraft carrier and put it into the coffee mug. DONE!

 

You know he's right Prime.... it isn't as difficult as most people make it out to be.

[Windu Chi]

In order for a plasma blade to be produced in the length of a sword, one must input 50 pounds of air per second to get that effect. So if they were invented they would be more like a protosaber with an air compressor pumping into it. Also how would you get two blades to repel each other?

 

The technology for plasma sabers have been invented, only the mechanics are too large and they would need to reconstruct it to be more compact.

 

Also, if one would create a real lightsaber like from the movies, the technology would be more than likely different than from what we know. It's construction would be more on the lines of a high powered torch rather than a crystal powered "laser".

 

But this is my opinion.

 

I should have commented more on your theory, it is very well thought out. But there are a few questions that I have.

1.It seems that to produce a lightsaber by your theory, there would be a lot of mechanics involved. And if a lightsaber hilt is an average 24 cm long and about 2 inches in diameter, how would you be able to compact it all?

 

Well, the power cell of course would have to be about 2 or 3 inches.

The power that will be release from nuclear fusion, will have be enough to ionize the gas in the containers, which will turn the gas into a plasma; have enough magnetic energy in the superconductivity coils to accelerate the plasma to the electric focusing lens.

Also the energy value that is also release in the nuclear fusion process, will have to be energetic enough to maintain desire the plasma thermodynamics and electromagnetic field properties.

 

2.) How would they repel from each other?

 

Well, because of the physics of cold plasma in which a cold plasma is more dense and less ionize in contrast to a hot plasma that is fully ionize.These properties make cold plasma more dense and compacted, also more stable to hold a geometrical structure than a hot plasma. Depending on the plasma blade frequencies of both lightsaber blades, which would have to have the same electrostatic oscillating ionic and electron frequencies.

 

The pressures cause by clashing action of for these similar frequencies for both plasma blade of the two lightsabers will set up a potential energy resonance effect, as the the opponents push harder or apply more pressure to both cold plasma sheaths(the component that surrounds the hot plasma part) with their plasma blades, this resonance effect will become stronger, as the magnetic field in the cold plasma shield become more compacted and entangle.

This pressure on the cold plasma sheath, of course will heat it to unsafe levels of opperation.

This of course, will depend on the cold plasma sheath electromagnetic field properties and thermodynamics safety parameters limits.

So, if the opponents maintain stactic clashing action for long periods of time, this pressure will alter the thermal heat conductivty rate, by decreasing the magnetic field heat energy storage capacity and heat flux resistance rate, in the dense cold plasma part.

With these undesirable effects the cp(cold plasma) sheath won't be able to safely stop the thermal diffusion of the hot plasma heat from escaping to the outside environment.

So, the gas particles dynamics of the plasma gas will probably have to be control by a nano computer in the hilt.

The nano computer will probably be needed to maintain safe opperation levels of the plasma blade complex properties, for safe combat opperation.

3.) The blades will be produced at high temperatures. How would it be possible to hold the hilt?

Because of the properties of superconductivity

The magnetic fields in the conduction coils can store heat energy, by lowering the heat conductivity in the magnetic fields.

This effect is similar to sun spots but is not efficient as superconductivity there ;the more stronger magnetic fields there are more chaotic there, so the fields loose energy over time as the field fluctuates, the strong magnetic fields of the sun spots can store heat in those fields from the surface of the sun, this effect makes sun spots cooler then the rest of the surface of the sun.

4.) How would they be legal or even safe to use if they are powered by nuclear fusion?

Well, that is society's problem.

[Emperor Devon]

I wouldn't want to see lightsabers outside of movies. They'd be difficult to make, hard to use, impractical in warfare, expensive to develop, and only be a hazard to the people who own them. There are thousands of other things people would be better off putting their effort into.

[Windu Chi]

I wouldn't want to see lightsabers outside of movies. They'd be difficult to make, hard to use, impractical in warfare, expensive to develop, and only be a hazard to the people who own them. There are thousands of other things people would be better off putting their effort into.

Yes, Devon I know you're a conservative.

You don't have to remind me.

[Emperor Devon]

I'm only conservative when it comes to KotOR... I'm more in the middle when it comes to politics.

 

And regardless of my political views, how should they influence my opinion on something there's no real point in making?

[Windu Chi]

I'm only conservative when it comes to KotOR... I'm more in the middle when it comes to politics.

 

And regardless of my political views, how should they influence my opinion on something there's no real point in making?

I'm not talking about no damn politics.

 

conservative:Resistant to change; conforming to the standards and conventions.

[Emperor Devon]

In that case, I'm quite liberal. I could go on for hours about things that need to be changed.

 

Fictional weaponry isn't one of them. What purpose could it possibly serve?

[Windu Chi]

]In that case, I'm quite liberal. I could go on for hours about things that need to be changed.

Maybe you should start a thread on it.

 

Fictional weaponry isn't one of them. What purpose could it possibly serve?

Who cares what purpose it will serve? I just want a lightsaber, I will discover a purpose once I have it.

Maybe ninjas or sword figthers will like to have a lightsaber.

They won't have to clean the blood off after heavy use.

They won't need to worry about rust.

Also they won't need to worry about sharpening a dull blade.

 

They will be fools to not want a lightsaber.