Sith_Reven Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 So Nihilus was a man once. What do you suppose he was like. Was he average joe who fell into the wrong crowd. Was he born into the sith teachings. How and when and even where did he get his mask. What was his home planet and his parents like. Or was he just born of unatural causes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 From what we KNOW he used to be a Jedi, fallen or not we do not know. He is evolved some time around the M5 incident, probably because of the incident even. As for parentage and home planet, I don't think these things are important for a Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acepilotf14 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 They are important to me. And him, apperantly. Perhaps these answers could be K3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoad Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 There are some things in the KOTOR series that are best left as mysteries. This being one of them, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hints in the game mention that Nihilus, Sion, and Traya developed their powers on Malachor. I think he was just another Jedi who fell to the dark side, though the specifics of it are vague. I wouldn't like to see him in the third game, though. I'd much rather see new and interesting characters over an old one brought back from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acepilotf14 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I need to see Revan again. But like.. keep him in a mask so that theres no gender issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoesGuy Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 He/she wouldn't need the mask if K3 lets us choose the Revan we did in the first KotOR, if you get me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I always thought that Nihilus was a slave who somehow survived Malachor and was then picked up by Traya as a Force Sensitive. And from then on, he just went down, down, down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Hints in the game mention that Nihilus, Sion, and Traya developed their powers on Malachor. I think he was just another Jedi who fell to the dark side, though the specifics of it are vague. I agree with that. If anyone else besides me ever reads the stuff on the loading screens, then you will notice that one of them says that Traya, Sion, and Nihilus all learned a different power from the Trayus Academy. Traya learned Betrayal, Sion learned Pain, and Nihilus learned Hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I have this theory that Nihilus was once the Exile's master, who was killed during the Battle of Malachor V. When the Exile then denied the Force and rejected the fall to the dark side, the dark self that was rejected travelled to the body of the Exile's old master and reanimated it. Since the bond is strong between master and apprentice, it would make sense for the Exile's rejected psyche to go there, I think. It would also explain why the Exile and Nihilus have similar powers. Either way, don't you agree that we go through all of TSL without EVER hearing who the Exile's master was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Hmm...that's an interesting point Jediphile. I thought I remember Vrook saying something about "His master...blah blah blah" (His referring to the Exile) in that video the protocol droid on Dantooine shows you, but I don't remember what else he said, unless it was all static after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I have the recording of the dialogue between Vrook and Vander on the Exile right here... Droid: "My apologies, Jedi.You are on the register as one of the Jedi who left the Enclave to fight in the Mandolorian Wars. My memory has no record of your return before now.You had no direct interaction with this droid. However, I have one instance of a conversation between Masters Vrook and Vandar regarding you.Beginning playback... Error, recording partially corrupted. Resolving..." Vrook: "{static, 1 sec}...{annoyed}today I caught him in a heated argument with my Padawan! His Master refuses to properly discipline{static, 1 sec}. I want to know what action you intend! Vandar: "Vrook, I respect your wisdom, but it is not your concern." Vrook: "{upset} But... {static, 1 sec} uncontrolled! {static 1 sec}...whatever the other Padawans see him do, they are quick to do the same... {static}other students dislike him intensely!{patient} Vandar: "True, an average student of the Force... {static}but with a unique strength...{static} is a natural leader...{static}" Vrook: "{upset}I strongly disagree...{static, 2 sec} mediocre Jedi...{static 1 sec} lust for power! {static, 1 sec}...will lead to the dark side! Furthermore it... {static, 2 sec}" Droid: "Recording degraded. End playback..." Needless to say, we learn nothing about who the Exile's master is, and I think this is the only time the Exile's master is only ever mentioned at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Needless to say, we learn nothing about who the Exile's master is, and I think this is the only time the Exile's master is only ever mentioned at all... I know. That's what I thought too, I just couldn't remember if Vrook said anything more about it in that recording. It is possible that Nihilus was his master. He might even be included in KotOR 3 somehow...who knows. I just hope that it includes subtitles for his dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Maybe that was intentional, or in the worst scenario, it was something cut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Maybe that was intentional, or in the worst scenario, it was something cut... Possibly, but then most of the cut content has stuff left in the game files for us to explore and ponder. There seems to be nothing about Nihilus' origin or the Exile apparent ties to him, so I tend to think it was left out on purpose for a major revelation in KotOR3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 My guess is that the development team didn't put all that much mystery in the plot. Anyway: I like you idea Jediphile, but what puts me slightly off is the idea that the force did ressurect the Exile's master, when he/she was dead. As far as I know, once you're completely dead, you're dead and not even the force can ressurect someone. Sion for example does not die everytime you strike him down, he just holds his body together and resists pain and mortal wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 My guess is that the development team didn't put all that much mystery in the plot. Anyway: I like you idea Jediphile, but what puts me slightly off is the idea that the force did ressurect the Exile's master, when he/she was dead. As far as I know, once you're completely dead, you're dead and not even the force can ressurect someone. Well, I'm usually fairly skeptical about resurrection myself, but in this case there are two things that speak strongly for it. 1. Palpatine established the possibility of resurrection in Episode III, since he tells Anakin that Darth Plagueis could bring people back from the dead by manipulating the midi-cholorians. We can hate that idea all we want, but it is established in the films, which is as undeniable canon as we can get... 2. The description of the Nihilus mask in TSL leaves little doubt that Nihilus was resurrected somehow: You have taken this trophy from the remains of Darth Nihilus - it is the last surviving piece of the beast who died and was reborn in the shattered world of Malachor V. By taking it from him, you have gained a stronger tie to the Force. Sion for example does not die everytime you strike him down, he just holds his body together and resists pain and mortal wounds. Hmmm, I'm less certain about that than you are. Striking someone down with a lightsaber seems pretty final to me, and I don't see how he could have been drained by Nihilus and then come back without resurrection as Sion was in a deleted cutscene of the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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