Kotor Restoration Project: K1RP Official LF Thread!

[Sith Holocron]

Sith Revan, will K1RP be compatible with Coola's Coruscant Mod? It certainly would nice to be able to play both on the same playthrough.

[Master Zionosis]

If nobody minds, I was thinking of adding this track to a mod I'm working on, as new music is part of what I'm adding, and I think I could find a place for this particular track.

 

Actually you don't need permission from anybody as it is owned by Lucas Arts, was intended to be in KotOR and if they publicly released it, then you can use it in a mod without even telling anyone it's there

[SithRevan]

Sith Revan, will K1RP be compatible with Coola's Coruscant Mod? It certainly would nice to be able to play both on the same playthrough.

I don't see why not. Coola, from what I can tell, is just making Coruscant, not modding the whole game or modifying existing things in the game so his/her mod would be pretty contained to just a .mod file and would therefore not effect what we are trying to do.

[Master Zionosis]

I don't see why not. Coola, from what I can tell, is just making Coruscant, not modding the whole game or modifying existing things in the game so his/her mod would be pretty contained to just a .mod file and would therefore not effect what we are trying to do.

 

Unless it is added to the galaxy map, I can almost know for certain that Sleheyron will be added when released, and I can imagine Coola wanting to add Corucant to the list as well, in which case SithRevan and Coola will need to confer to find out which slots they will be using for the GM (Galaxy Map)

[SithRevan]

Unless it is added to the galaxy map, I can almost know for certain that Sleheyron will be added when released, and I can imagine Coola wanting to add Corucant to the list as well, in which case SithRevan and Coola will need to confer to find out which slots they will be using for the GM (Galaxy Map)

Well then when we are making the installer for our mod we'll put in an edit feature so if it sees that there is already the galaxy map GUI file in the user's override it will just edit it and make the appropriate changes so it will show both Sleheyron and any other planet that has been added into that file.

[silvershot 101]

Can any one enlighten me on whats going on. There there's been a certain inaction on the web site, http://team-jawa.kotor2files.com/forum/index.php has sithrevan disappeared ? its embarrassing for me as iam a member of the team and i don't know whats going on !

 

IS IT OVER OR NOT ? I DON'T KNOW ?

 

 

Mod note: Merged thread with the K1 Restoration Project thread. ~M

[southern_fox]

To be honest, the team has no definite status.

 

The project is not moving forward, nor has it been officially disbanded. It kind of … stopped. Everyone became bogged down with other commitments in their lives around August through October (myself included), which is when the dramatic fall in activity happened. When I had my hands free again, it became apparent to me that the project fell into a sort of lull. It is a shame, because I liked writing for the project. Going to the team website is probably the best measure of where the project stands – the forums over there are virtually abandoned.

 

I'll digress and say that I'm not too sad about it, looking at its ambitions and its chances. There was a solid roster and a certain circle of very talented people, but it was always more or less just 4-6 active people working relatively independently. I never worked with anyone other than SithRevan or Quanon. That sort of fragmentation is death for a project of such ambition. I could never shake the feeling that I was working alone (which was not true, but the feeling was always there). I thought (and at least once or twice expressed) that the team should adopt the advice of Pavlos – who formerly was attached to the Droid Planet Restoration Team – in how to structure the project and advance. He had a lot of good advice in his post-mortem. But it came to nothing. No coffee-table meetings, or whatever the internet equivalent. No chats. No extended threads focusing on organization or the gritty details. No project structure. Development teams on a project of such size need to be a group effort. Goals were somewhat loose and hazy (and sometimes threads on the board about what to do were unrealistic or dreamy), work proceeded independently for each person, and to the best of my knowledge there was no timetable.

 

It should not be a huge surprise that the project petered out. Which is a darn shame considering all of the good that came out of this. Thanks to Magnusll, Lucasforums now has the tools to create entirely new modules; walkmeshes and lighting are no longer complete mysteries. Quanon created some incredible artwork that I still have; models and designs for Sleheyron were fantastic. I never came close to completing my writing, but I'm very satisfied with what I created.

 

To your question about SithRevan – I’ve been out of contact with SithRevan for a few months, and I don’t know if he still comes to these boards. I’d be pleasantly surprised to see him. I don’t know where or what his last post was, or if he said goodbye (the last I saw him, I remember something about Halo).

 

I'd still sign up for a serious and professional effort to restructure the project, but I don't feel that it will happen.

[Darth InSidious]

To be honest, the team has no definite status.

 

The project is not moving forward, nor has it been officially disbanded. It kind of … stopped. Everyone became bogged down with other commitments in their lives around August through October (myself included), which is when the dramatic fall in activity happened. When I had my hands free again, it became apparent to me that the project is in a sort of lull. It is a shame, because I liked writing for the project. Going to the team website is probably the best measure of where the project stands – the forums over there are virtually abandoned.

 

I'll digress and say that I'm not too sad about it, looking at its ambitions and its chances. There was a solid roster and a certain circle of very talented people, but it was always more or less just 4-6 active people working relatively independently. I never worked with anyone other than SithRevan or Quanon. That sort of fragmentation is death for a project of such ambition. I could never shake the feeling that I was working alone (which was not true, but the feeling was always there). I thought (and at least once or twice expressed) that the team should adopt the advice of Pavlos – who formerly was attached to the Droid Planet Restoration Team – in how to structure the project and advance. He had a lot of good advice in his post-mortem. But it came to nothing. No coffee-table meetings, or whatever the internet equivalent. No chats. No extended threads focusing on organization or the gritty details. No project structure. Development teams on a project of such size need to be a group effort. Goals were somewhat loose and hazy (and sometimes threads on the board about what to do were unrealistic or dreamy), work proceeded independently for each person, and to the best of my knowledge there was no timetable.

 

It should not be a huge surprise that the project petered out. Which is a darn shame considering all of the good that came out of this. Thanks to Magnusll, Lucasforums now has the tools to create entirely new modules; walkmeshes and lighting are no longer complete mysteries. Quanon created some incredible artwork that I still have; models and designs for Sleheyron were fantastic. I never came close to completing my writing, but I'm very satisfied with what I created.

 

To your question about SithRevan – I’ve been out of contact with SithRevan for a few months, and I don’t know if he still comes to these boards. I’d be pleasantly surprised to see him. I don’t know where or what his last post was, or if he said goodbye (the last I saw him, I remember something about Halo).

 

I'd still sign up for a serious and professional effort to restructure the project, but I don't feel that it will happen.

Not in its present form, anyway. In truth, the mod should've been split into a restoration and the effective invention of Sleheyron.

 

You are right that there was no timetable- there wasn't even a definitive vision of what was to be restored, or what would not be taken on, and the suggestion of such a thing was met with indifference. What organisation there was was also...irregular.

[Del_Boy]

Thats a damn shame i was looking forward to that mod, see the way i look at it- kotor 3 probably won't happen so we need large mods to fill the void.

oh well lets hope tslrp doesn't fold aswell.

[CrisG]

Can the team at least make an instlll of what is completed? I would really appreciate it if one of you would at least post what there is in some form of installable content. thanks.

[Darth Payne]

Maybe hand the project over to another team if they pull out of it?

 

That would keep the mod alive, i think.

[CrisG]

And I think focusing on restoration is essential to gain the widest and most significant support for current and future players.

[Darth InSidious]

Can the team at least make an instlll of what is completed? I would really appreciate it if one of you would at least post what there is in some form of installable content. thanks.

Virtually nothing was completed in the first place.

 

@D27: Who did you have in mind? Who has the experience, the organisation, the time and is willing to do so?

[Darth Payne]

Haven't a clue.

 

I just got involved with this site almost two months ago.

 

Maybe open a new thread, asking for modders able enough to handle it.

[Ctrl Alt Del]

I always thought this wouldn't go far...

[southern_fox]

Can the team at least make an instlll of what is completed? I would really appreciate it if one of you would at least post what there is in some form of installable content. thanks.

 

To my knowledge (and I'm absolutely sure that there was more done by other members, I just don't know about it for the reasons I've explained, so I really apologize if I don't mention any person's contributions), you would end up receiving:

 

My writing drafts, Quanon's concept artwork, Quanon's models and 3D work (which really are first-rate, especially his artwork), Magnusll's work with the KAurora Editor (which has been released in its own right), SithRevan's work on the Korriban-Czerka module, two patches that placed Shuma the Hutt and the Iriaz on Dantooine (that I felt was certainly not completed even though it was released as "final")...

 

I'm totally sure that there was more though. I worked pretty independently, so I'm unaware of much of what the rest of the team had done. Thats just the stuff that I came into direct contact with.

[CrisG]

I am new here, but I care deeply for the future of KOTR. I am in a place in my life when I have a great deal of time for a number of reasons, and some resources that I am willing to help this effort with, at least to archive and preserve what has been done. I am a game researcher and 2D professional artist who has been studying both game history and development and 3D design, and feel that KOTR I is one of the masterpieces of game literature and the effort to restore content is very valueable.

 

I am willing to help set up a secure place for files to be kept,and to work with the team or former team for this purpose and to help try to see if others will come who have the expereince and skills to complete possible tasks. I do not know the complete techncial scale of what is restorable, in the way of files included in the total file set for the game, nor what might be restored reasonably but am certainly willing to help consider the problems and the situation. I have no motive other than helping preseve what can be saved in the way of the work that you all have done, for it is clear that there will be no KOTR III from Biowar or LucasArts from what both their senior staffs have said, at least at this time. I think it is therefore doubly important to try to see that there is every possible resource saved from the original vision.

 

I cannot address what might have been done in the way of add on mods, nor am I at all knowledgable enough on the game or the SW unvierse to speak to the value of any effort of that kind. But I can clearly see the coherence and the overall ethos and way the game story and mechanics of KOTR work so well, and can see and believe totally in the value of any effort to return any content to its rightful place that can be achieved.

 

I think it is important that any resources that are saved are clearly saved with the intention of this form of preservation and therefore become archived for the future good of the game, and available for any serious efforts now or future to continue this work. That is my humble opinion.

[Del_Boy]

a lot of jargon there my friend

are you saying you want to take over the project ?

[CrisG]

I am saying

1. I am willing to help preserve the files and the work done to date for those who are qualified and interested in continuing the preservatoin and restoration work.

2. I am far from qualified in terms of knowledge of the SW universe and KOTR as both a game and a story to be a project leader, having only recently entered into the SW games.

3. I appologize for my many words, my intentions and hopes are to help if help can preserve what has been achieved so that others can carry on, and I am willing to help organize and coordinate as a helper and to lead as it is needed in this way.

[Darth InSidious]

I am saying

1. I am willing to help preserve the files and the work done to date for those who are qualified and interested in continuing the preservatoin and restoration work.

2. I am far from qualified in terms of knowledge of the SW universe and KOTR as both a game and a story to be a project leader, having only recently entered into the SW games.

3. I appologize for my many words, my intentions and hopes are to help if help can preserve what has been achieved so that others can carry on, and I am willing to help organize and coordinate as a helper and to lead as it is needed in this way.

There is very little to store, and it is mostly on personal computeres. Anyhow, despite the generosity of your offer, it potentially could create problems in terms of permissions and property.

[Quanon]

There is very little to store, and it is mostly on personal computeres. Anyhow, despite the generosity of your offer, it potentially could create problems in terms of permissions and property.

 

Indeed , I only got some crappy ruff versions of one area for Sleheyron .

 

I'm do know Sith Revan had remade some missing Cerzka base on Korriban , but have no clue how much he finished .

 

The Tantooine temple hasn't been worked on , I think ... perhaps some ideas where noted , but thats all I think .

 

Anyway , for just the half of this project to succeed , you would need a bunch of 3D modellers : I fear I was boldly "stupid" brave to think I could create a whole planet on my own .

 

Though I'm not unhappy I jumped on the bandwagon .

 

I think I pushed Magnusll to further develope Kaurora , plus I have now a juicy looking Temple to wander around in in K1 .

 

If this thing was ever to fly again , I would want at least 2 other 3D modellers on the team , though I fear running an "art department" is difficult .

 

Mainly across the Internet ...

 

Anyways enough of my sobbing and nagging .

[CrisG]

Such an effort might take a form like this:

 

A Master List of content hosted on the Team Site, with each component listed by maker, type and what it contains.

Each of these items could be labelled: Open (as in available for any who wished to work with them as long as they promise to ackwledge the source in any work they do and comply with all restrictions on modding as set forth in the EULA and by LA and Biowar. or Restricted: (as in anyone who wished to consider using that item woudl need to contact the maker or authorizing person with a contact e mail or link to get in touch with them, but still a listing of the contents.

 

This might preserve the work and also protect the creators and their rights in a simple format. The files themselves could be stored on Filefront with the usual notices of restriction of use, acknowledgement and attribution and honouring the EULA etc.) either with a public link for the Open files or a contact address for the creator for the Restricted files.

 

There could be a final category if necesary of Closed Files, files that were created and were lost or declined for use, with contact info for the maker, in case someone wanted to try to reproduce the work and the creator would be willing to help with imput on the challenges etc.

 

This might be hosted as I suggested on the Team site which could be preserved for a year at least to see how things go. I am willing to help with the costs of keeping it open if helpful.

[magnusll]

Such an effort might take a form like this:

 

I'm in a somewhat peculiar position in this, as I've been working on a tool (KAurora) which is not necessarily linked to any project in particular but can theoretically be used in any mod. Though, truth to be said, the initial impulse in writing KAurora was in fact given by the K1RP.

 

In any case, I have no problems whatsoever in making KAurora available to any site which may want to host it. If you do create an hosting site, just let me know and I'll send you the package. Allowing me to directly upload it (and edit the relevant description) would make the release of new versions somewhat smoother than what currently is, as I could then mantain a "stable" release, which gets updated every once in a while, and a "development" release containing the most up-to-date version, incomplete as it might be. But this is not a requirement. In any case, StarWarsKnights will keep getting regular updates until I stop the development work.

[Seamhainn]

It would be great if we could get a statement from SithRevan. It seems that he actually *did* a lot of work for this project. Unfortunately its not publicly known and/or available.

 

Take care

[CrisG]

OK< well we will keep working on it gently and see what happens, today i get to do a monitor replacement i think so i will check in as i can, and we will see what we can do.

 

And thanks MagnusII that is very generous and the spirit I hope we can generate among those working on this project of sharing what has been done for future possiblities, always preserving and honouring attribuition and authorship in every way I would hope.